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I think I might have ruined things forever...my life is such a mess

Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by blueskies, Nov 7, 2013.

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  1. NoClue

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    Hey blueskies,

    Yes, tell him next time you see him. But not because you broke a promise though, your mother guessed it. You didn't do anything wrong. You should tell him so he know who knows.
     
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    Your mom is the BEST..

    (I wanna give her a hug too, but she would just say ... "who are you??') :grin:
     
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    Merry Christmas guys!

    I told my other brother and my dad today, and neither of them reacted badly. My dad just hummed a bit and asked if I'm happy but other than that he didn't really say anything (I talked to mom about this and she thinks he's just a bit shocked). My brother was sort of pissed that I'd told both my mom and my other brother before he found out, lol. He asked me who I'm dating (he knows pretty much everyone I'm friends with) but I just told him I'm not ready to tell him that yet. He did ask me if I've known I'm gay for a long time and I told him I still don't know if I'm gay, which he had troubles understanding (since I can't say I'm bisexual, either). I told him labels don't really matter right now, and he agreed and apologized for being pushy.

    I'm so glad I decided to tell them and I'm so relieved now that I've seen their reactions. I can't wait to tell Martin this since I hope it will calm him down a bit.

    Thanks, WhiteShadows, this is actually a brilliant response! I was thinking of saying something along those lines too, so I think I'm going to go with that.

    NoClue:
    I feel awful even though it's not really my fault. I hope he won't get too angry :/

    bingostring:
    aaaaaaaaw
     
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    So happy for you with all these positive reactions! Merry Christmas!
     
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    Perhaps it's also worth mentioning that when you talk to Martin. Or at least saying that you feel bad because you feel like you broke his promise and there was nothing you could do. But that everything's going to be ok and that your mum is happy for you two :slight_smile:
     
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    So how many more days? :grin:
     
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    Blueskies, thanks for the update, and glad things are going well with the family...
     
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    Hi guys! I'm back now (no internet for a week sucks!) and while I don't really have any updates, I'll see him tomorrow!
     
  9. Aquaman

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    Hi! I just found this thread, and read your whole ordeal in a few minutes... man! You need to make your story into a book, it would sell like hot bread. Your Martin sounds like an amazing guy, and you two are lucky to have each other.

    One thing I noticed, though, is that you seem to be pushing a little too hard forcing him to come out to everyone. I think you should stop doing that. You came out to your friend Maria when YOU wanted, you came out to your parents and siblings when YOU wanted. He has been okay with this, but maybe now you should slow down a little bit, and let him figure out by himself when HE wants to talk to his friends or his family, that is not your decision to make. Dont pressure him, he is already with you, and that should be enough.

    Anyway, your journey and Martin's has been amazing and I am glad I got to read about it.

    Best of luck!
     
  10. What an incredible story. I'd agree with Aquaman - be careful about moving too fast. You've got something so very special and you really don't want to jeopardise it. Even though he's ostensibly fine with the relationship, every time you open up a bit more he's probably still getting very strong urges to run away, or escape from his feelings.

    Maybe see if you can get Martin to talk to a counsellor or therapist? They will have seen this happen a million times before and could really help him to open up and accept himself more fully. It could really make a huge difference and help turn what you have now into something more permanent.

    That's just my 2 kroners worth :slight_smile:

    Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Aquaman

    Aaaw, thanks! I'm so lucky to have him. And he is amazing. He really is. :slight_smile:

    I've thought a lot about what you said and I realize lots of what you said is true. I feel like an asshole now. I tried my best not to force him into doing things he wasn't ready for and yet it seems like I failed that, massively. In a way, I think I should have included him in decision when I decided when to come out to my family, but at the same time it is MY family and basically all I told them was that I was in love with a guy; I barely even mentioned my boyfriend (and definitely not by name). I sort of think that that should be my decision (and mine alone) to make. But I get what you're saying; me coming out to my family appears to have been a massive thing for him and I think he may have gotten the idea that I was trying to make him come out to his family, too (which definitely isn't something I would do!). Perhaps I should tell him this today; that I don't expect him to come out just because I came out. It's, like you said, his decision to make and it's up to him to know when he's ready to do that. It doesn't matter to me if he's ready to come out now or not. I definitely agree though that I was being too pushy when I talked him into coming out to Maria :/ I feel like I should apologize to him when I see him today. I remember thinking that maybe it would be easier for us and maybe he'd feel calmer about everything if we came out to someone. I think I need to take a step back and let him deal with things in his own time. God, I really do feel like a needy, selfish idiot now. It's definitely enough that he's with me and I don't need anything else. I just want to make him happy and right now it feels like I'm doing the opposite.

    uniqueusername3:
    I agree with you (and Aquaman). I've been trying to move things too quickly and I need to take a step back and let him decide what to do now.

    I'm afraid he would do that too. He did show very obvious signs of that before but not so much, recently. I'm going to see how he reacts today when I tell him everything that's happened.

    I don't think getting him to see a therapist is something he'd be into. He hates talking about himself and his feelings, and besides, I was depressed a couple of years ago and I've told him about all the shitty therapists I had to see back then, so I think I could have scared him off a bit :/

    thanks for your comments, guys!
     
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    (*hug*)
    Don't be too hard on yourself, blueskies!
    I hope everything goes well today!
     
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    blueskies,
    a belated merry christmas and happy new year to you!
    Glad to see everythings going well for you and martin.

    I wouldn't worry too much about telling your family. I think in the long run it'll probably be better for both of you. Now, maybe you can bring him home to your parents one time and have dinner together in a setting where everyone knows you two are a couple and you're both loved and accepted. I think that's going to be far more therapeutic that any counseling in the long run.

    Have a great day!
     
  14. Aquaman

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    Hello BlueSkyes. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Please don't think you are being accused of being selfish or needy; that was not my intention. It is only natural that you want to share with the entire world and scream to the four winds that you love this man and he loves you back; who wouldn't? When you are this happy with someone, of course, you want everyone to know.

    But just keep in mind that it's been just 2-3 months for him since he started to live in this new reality. It is actually amazing that he has opened up the way he has thus far (that story at the restaurant holding hands under the table was so touching), he has even said the big "L" word to you! So don't push him; he might need months, or even years to feel comfortable talking to others about this. As long as you have his love, the rest should not matter.

    I don't mean to disagree with other posters, but that talk about therapy and whatnot, is not the way to go about this. He does not need therapy, he just needs time to deal with his feelings, so I wouldn't bring that up. Just in general, don't bring up the subject; as a couple, there are a thousand things you can talk about, why talk about this?

    You guys are very early in the relationship, and a such, you should try to keep every conversation and every activity as positive as possible. Laugh together as much as you can, have fun together as much as you can, have romantic moments as much as you can. This will help him build the confidence he needs. Give him reasons to come to you when he has a bad day at school/work, give him reasons to miss you when you are not together, make him feel like no one else on this planet can love him as much as you do. That is what he needs, not someone nagging him all the time about coming out... you are not gaining anything with that.

    Let us know how things are going!
     
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    Amazing story! Thank you for sharing. Wish you guys the best!
     
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    I was going to see him today but he called and said he wasn't feeling great so we canceled our plans. He sounded sort of tired and it sucks that he's apparently coming down with something now because I miss him like crazy :frowning2: I asked him if he wanted me to come over and cook for him or something, but he turned me down. He's going to give me a call tomorrow and if he's feeling better, we'll hang out.

    Whiteshadows: aaaw (*hug*)

    Scanner: merry belated Christmas to you too! I hope you had a good one. I agree, I think it would be really good if he could stop by and have dinner at my parents' place or something. That would require him being okay with me outing him to them, though. Well, since my mom knows and my dad doesn't.

    Also I really got to read NoClue's thread soon! I've probably missed lots while I was away.

    Aquaman:

    Oh I definitely don't think that and I'm so sorry if I made it look like I'm accusing you of doing that :icon_redf. You made me think about my own behavior, which is really good because I need a wake up call from time to time! Seriously though, I am selfish and needy and never even consider that people might not agree with everything I think which gives me a tendency to run people over. I definitely feel like I've come really close to doing this now but thank god I managed to stop myself in time.

    Your advice is actually really helpful and I love that it 'goes against' what other people say because that forces me to think about things from another perspective. I do agree with you; I won't mention coming out in a while, because I don't want to keep bugging him about that. We talked about lots of difficult things right before he went away and I feel like we need to get out and do something fun. Maybe go see a movie or have dinner at a restaurant or just hang out together without having serious conversations (we've had too many of them lately). What you said is actually really sweet and I think I need to work on giving him reasons to come to me.

    I keep forgetting how early into this relationship we really are because it feels like we've been together for ages already. I think I need to remember that it's still early days more often than I do because I'm so afraid I'll mess this up.
     
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    Hi everyone!

    Like I said somewhere above this post, I was going to see him on Saturday but he canceled on me. And then he was going to call me yesterday to tell me if he wanted to see me but he didn't, so I called him last night and he apologized for not getting in touch and said he'd been sleeping all day. not going to lie, I was a bit disappointed in him because I'd literally been waiting for him to call me all day and then he didn't (I didn't want to call or text him myself because I knew he'd be pissed if I woke him up).

    Anyways, roll on today and he texted me and asked if I wanted to come over, which I did and so I went to his place. I'd really missed him but I noticed right away that he was in a weird mood (it's not unusual for him to get really grumpy when he's sick). He normally talks a lot and jokes around and stuff but he wasn't like that at all, instead he was pretty quiet. I didn't try to pressure him into talking about it, so I just tried to talk about normal things and told him how my trip was and asked him about Spain (we hadn't really talked much these past few weeks, except for a few texts every day). He answered my questions but didn't really say much else, which is unusual for him.

    I cooked him lunch and he ate some of it and we cuddled and he fell asleep. When he woke up we watched some TV and he asked me about me coming out. I knew I had to tell him at some point that my mom knows about us but I hadn't really felt like bringing it up since he was already in a bad mood.

    So I was like "look, first of all I want you to know that my family's been really supportive of me, especially my mom. When I told her I have a boyfriend, she immediately guessed it was you. I promise you I didn't mention your name, she figured it all out herself. She's cool with it and is really happy for us, and she's sworn she won't tell anyone.

    He just went all pale and said 'fuck'. I could see him starting to panic so I told him it's okay and that no one will find out about it. He went "my mom will know. There's no way your mom can know without my parents finding it out" (his mom and my mom work at the same company and my mom was recently transferred to his mom's department and they talk...a lot). I kept trying to reassure him that nothing's going to happen because I know my mom won't tell his mom and I won't tell anyone either, and with the exception of Maria, we're the only ones that know about this.

    At this point, he got really frustrated and told me that when he was in Spain, he'd been hit on by his cousins' neighbor's daughter and had turned her down (she's apparently really good looking), and when he'd done that his cousin made a gay joke about him and everyone got super uncomfortable. His uncle then said something like "well thank god Martin's not gay" and some people went yeah. That discussion then turned pretty homophobic. His parents didn't participate in it but that shows what his extended family is like :/

    He talked about how he feels like he's let me down because I'm out to my family and he's so "far behind" (his words), i.e. that he feels like he's not ready to come out at all. I said that that doesn't matter to me at all and that I really really don't want him to feel like I'm pressuring him to come out, that the decision to come out is his to make and that he should do it when he's ready etc.

    He then said that he didn't want to think about this anymore, so we started talking about something else and by then he was acting like he normally does. He also said that he's not angry with me that my mom found out (I thought he was going to be) so I'm really relieved now.

    So yeah, this obviously bothers him a lot still. I hope his parents don't turn out to be homophobic like his other family turned out to be. I think I get where he's coming from much better now, he's got a reason to fear coming out that I didn't understand before.

    Anyways, my plans for us to do something fun instead of talking about serious stuff didn't work that well (obviously) so I asked him if he wants to do something fun tomorrow and he said yeah. We still haven't decided what to do though but I'm thinking going for a walk or something (if he's feeling better, he's had a pretty bad cold for a while now, hence why he didn't feel like doing something these past few days) because he hasn't left his apartment since Friday.

    That's all I have for now. :slight_smile:
     
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    Blueskies, thanks for the update.

    Hearing about Martin's family is a concern. It will for sure be a big impact for him, and make it much harder for him to ever "accept" himself, or come out for that matter. However, just give him a lot of time and understanding, because no matter what, I do believe that "love conquers all"... as corny as that may sound, lol. He has a lot of demons to overcome, but with your help, he'll win the battle.
     
  19. Aquaman

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    Argh! This is mortifying, no wonder he is feeling frustrated. PLEASE stop talking to him about coming out... This is clearly making him anxious and as a result, hurting the relationship. Shut down the topic completely. It's been barely two months since he realized he has feelings for a guy, and he is already being pressured into making announcements. That process is LONG, so please avoid the topic.

    Also, next time you talk to your mom, warn her once again to please not say anything. You must protect your guy above everything else.

    You really need to work extra hard into making your moments with him very positive and special. The more effort you put into it, the stronger your bond will be.

    Even I am feeling anxious LOL!
     
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    Good point Aquaman, I agree. I don't think Blueskies is putting pressure on him directly, but perhaps everything that is going on is indirectly putting pressure on him. He needs to become comfortable in his own skin, which for some takes a long, long time. If you are not careful, you could drive him away. Also good advice from Aquaman, just make every moment as positive as you can to re-enforce his choice to start a "difficult-for-him" relationship.
     
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