Is bestiality "wrong?"

An animal cannot consent to having sex, so that alone makes it wrong.

 

I think it's disgusting because animals generally don't have high hygiene standards like humans do. If a man had intercourse with a sheep or a cow, I think the chances of a serious bacterial infection are very high.

If animals could consent, then it wouldn't be wrong on any moral or legal level, but I would still find it disgusting, and I will never understand the desire to have sex with an animal.

 

I guess that's a pretty big concern, but if someone's trying to have sex with sheep or cattle, I think the hygiene would be among the least of their worries. :lol: Hooves and kicking abilities and morality should be deterrent enough.

I didn't realise you meant physically disgusting, just morally disgusting, but I guess both.

 

Bisexuality is okay as long as it a relationship between consenting adults.

 

Animals can't consent. Plus, ew.

 

Yeah, like wrong in so many levels, Dude.

 

It is wrong because the animal is not on the same level of mental ability as you,
So true consent can not be given,
And therefore you can't stupidly assume they're enjoying it.

To say because they're going at it with you is a sign they like it,
Would be like saying that when a rape victim gets wet,
They're liking it,
They're not,
It's a natural defense mechanism that is inbuilt and uncontrollable.

To me it'd be on the same level as coaxing an 8 year old to have sex with you,
In the end even if they're excited,
The consent they give is naive at best,
And exploiting them would mean you know that they're naive to the consequences.

It's wrong because of that to me,
I don't say animals are 'beasts' but they're not as mentally capable as us,
Not in a general sense regarding human law and morality.

 

I think it's ridiculous to act like raping anything is ever okay.

 

I think I got cancer by clicking this thread. As things are it's wrong, unnatural and hurtful.
There's so many things that would have to be different to make it ok.
1. Same cognitive capabilities and intelligence as a human (capable of reasoned thought, speech and other forms of communication and thought processes)
2. Have personal hygene
3. Anatomical compatibility

And there's probably more to this I'm just too tired to think of additional points. As for aliens though, who says they'd have genitalia and need sexual acts to reproduce or "have fun". Maybe they'd be like a cloud of mist and that's it. Or made out of stone.

But anyways...back to digesting the fact that I got cancer from this and actually contributed...

 

Yes, it's wrong. I think you're playing devil's advocate. Please don't let yourself be brainwashed by the dirt that claims raping animals is love.

I think human adults should do almost anything they want behind closed doors... the important thing is CONSENT. A non-human animal wouldn't be able to appreciate sex the same way as humans do. Something isn't necessarily wrong because it's unnatural and/or disturbing. People into bestiality might be looking for easy targets. If they're attracted to animals, they need to see a doctor about that. Non-human animals cannot consent. It's rape, no matter how you frame it. Rape isn't love and rape sure as hell ain't acceptable. Rape is about aggression and power.

I watched a documentary about Enumclaw. Although it was presented in a rather neutral manner, I wanted to hurl. I was impressed that something managed to shock ME. There are people out there right now f**king animals. We need to discourage this behaviour because RAPE is WRONG. Eating animals is a separate issue. That isn't what we're discussing here.

 

They usually taught by elders about how to handle each animal. (like hitting the back of female dog or pouring cold water on them to release your tool... or putting bigger animals (like donkeys) head into a tight spot to avoid them acting freely). Those kind a things passed as entertaining stories between rural area youngs as they practice sex with animals (mostly dogs, donkeys or horses as others considered defiling animals meat... like sheep or cow). Those same people think and act like we, gay people are sick and disgusting tho'... oh the irony.

I knew some people who were seeking animal porn exclusively...

Is there a law against animal porn as the children one? To my knowledge there is none to animal one in here...

Oh and there are some websites dedicated people's amateur vids... like Xtube with animals... and that site where they are selling vibrators shaped like animal penis....

Those are tho most disgusting things I came up on net after that horrific place where a dude was explaining "quirks" of having sex with a corpse...

I am still on the same track... Humans are sick. :tantrum:

 

Can't believe there's even a debate about this.

Simple Answer. Yes it is Wrong.

 

I agree with your first post LordofNihil...

And the thing is, when we think about bestiality, we only picture someone penetrating an animal and even if the animal behavior can mean they consent, it's way not clear enough IMO. Cause it could be a submission behavior, not a "I want sex" behavior. We don't know enough about animal body language.

Although, when an animal mounts a human... you can't be more clear than that.
the animal obviously CONSENTS if the human just stand there on their knees and the animal mounts without no one forcing him. The animal may not "know" the human is not its specie and is probably acting by instinct, but still, it consents, that's what it wants. Otherwise it wouldn't do it.

I think rape is wrong. So when the human mounts an animal, that's a "no no".
But the other way around I don't see any problem and I will so totally not argue about that.

And talking about "not consent"...
Animals are legally seen as objects without any rights (that's why there are organization for animal rights), and people often adopt animal selfishly because they want one.
They make their animals learn tricks and dominate them totally (we have to, of course, that's how a pack works).

I feel that it's a bit like homosexuality and bible.
We take what we want and let go of the rest.
Bible says homosexuality is a sin? Then it is!!
Bible says you should not wear clothes make of different fiber, but we don't care.
Bible says divorce in unacceptable, just as homosexuality, but here again, we don't care.

Now, bestiality is wrong because the animal can't clearly consent (I disagree but let's continue) and it's harmful to it.
But your dog or horse can't consent more clearly to anything else you make them do.
You guess if they want to do something according to their behavior and reaction.
But we don't care about that part.
Do you think the dog really wants to practice like crazy to participate at those stupid dogs shows?? No, we haven't asked the dog if it wanted to do it, it did no consent, but we don't care, it's OUR animal and it will do what we want!... but that's okay..

Harmful? Sometimes it is, some people don't care and rape animals and that's wrong because rape is wrong 100% of the time.
But hitting your dog with a stick because he peed inside is okay? (physically harmful)
Leading your dog in fear instead of respect of hierarchy is okay? (emotionally harmful)

I don't like double standards.

(I won't come back to reply, been there done that with this subject, I know how useless it is to debate, but I just wanted to point out that your argument (non-consent and harm) are invalid. and NO.. before someone has the wrong idea, I never did anything with animals, I don't plan to, I'm not zoophile. I just happened to think this through and I found some irregularities in common arguments.)

 

I honestly don't think you are forming a solid argument here or really anywhere in this post. Beastiality is "natural" therefore it's okay? But at the same time you say that rape incest and can abolish are also natural but are not okay? You say too that being natural dosent make it make it right. By that logic having sex with an animal isn't okay.

Back to the first point you made, humans are higher than other animals, we are the dominant life form on this planet. Not because we are big headed self centered or selfish, it's because we are intelligent. Being higher than animals dosent put them under our reign however, it puts them under our protection.

 

I don't think it's much of a debate, everyone's telling why they think it's not ok and that's all.

 

That was the point I was trying to make

 

Just out of curiosity, do you think necrophilia is okay? I personally think that because you can't consent after death, it's not okay, but to play devils advocate, you can't hurt them anymore. Only defile them.

 

Zoophilia is rape, period
looking at the law, it says that rape is a non-consenting sexual act
a non-human is like a child, and cannot state (by any standard in any way) yes or no to a sexual act regardless of their action, like the non-human "wants it" or "started it" and will show aggression as they understand their situation. most non-humans are "submissive" and will do anything to make a human happy, and this abuse of trust is cruelty, making zoophilia non-human abuse.

 

So, having sex with a chimpanzee who knows sign language thus can state YES, is okay?

 

I started a thread like this ages ago and the responses are similar now as they were then. People can't get over the "ewww" factor to think about it rationally. To animals sex is just a good feeling they get when their genitals are rubbed.

I'm not saying bestiality is right. I'm just saying that it's something that should be discussed in society and rationally considered. Not just dismissed as "It's always rape, and ewwww".

I think the question of consent is something to be determined by animal behaviour experts. I don't really know much about it. But the whole idea that animals are like children is silly. Adult Animals can make their own decisions and probably see sex differently to humans.

---------- Post added 11th Jun 2014 at 04:39 PM ----------

In theory yes because that's consent. Although I don't know if it's really possible to ask a chimpanzee that.

Although I think that would still be against the law.

---------- Post added 11th Jun 2014 at 04:44 PM ----------

I'm not comparing being gay to bestiality but there exist people who find gay sex disgusting. Finding bestiality disgusting is a reason for an individual to not to bestiality. And I think you would have to wear a condom (a really thick one) if you were to do bestiality.

For the record I do find bestiality disgusting. So don't accuse me of being a bestiaphile.