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  1. Mirko

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    Skypicker is a airline/flight search engines. It is not an airline. What is the name of the airline with which you would be flying with?
     
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    Ryanair and Wizzair.With Wizzair I will go to Italy then from Italy Ryanair will take me to Copenhagen.

    But as I said I might go for a flight to Belgium,thats why I requested information on where they are more LGBT friendly and what my chances would be.
     
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    Okay; well the airlines you have mentioned are only flying within Europe, which is fine. But you mentioned that your friends already bought a ticket for you. With which airline was it originally booked? I imagine that the ticket is not just for within Europe.

    Are you saying you are not going to the US anymore, and want to stay in a European country?
     
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    I do want to go to US and be with my friends :frowning2: but sadly I dont think I see that happening and it does makes me sad,cuz they are my world.

    The original ticket that was purchased the airlines were like this: Wizzair -> Gothenburg,then from there Norwegian -> Stockholm and from Stockholm I would go to NY.Is it still possible to go to USA?

    Although the USA flight ticket doesnt have a return ticket.
     
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    To be honest, it is getting a little bit confusing. In one sentence earlier you mentioned that you are looking into purchasing a ticket from an airline and in another you mentioned that your friends would help you to change the ticket. So from Stockholm to New York, with which airline would you have flown? I take it you would have flown from Skopje to Gothenburg with Wizzair, then?
     
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    Yes that is exactly right(the plane does go from Skopje to Gothenburg),and yes my friends are working on getting the other ticket.I just want to know what my chancces are.If there is a chance for me to go to USA and be with them then I will take that chance,but otherwise I will have to go to some place in Europe and work my way up to them which I dont mind,anything works better then where I am right now.I am just looking at the options that are available to me and what seems best right now.

    Thank you for your support so far!

    I guess this makes a little bit more sense?
     
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    There is no way you'll make it to the US I am afraid, without a visa nor a return ticket I can't see who would let you board the plane. :frowning2:

    You have much more chances trying to access a European country in my opinion.

    ---------- Post added 24th Oct 2015 at 05:24 PM ----------

    I have just looked it up and there is a flight from Skopje to Brusselles (Belgium) on the 27/11 for 35 dollars (on way) or 91$ if you want a checked in luggage and so on with Wizzair so I think that would be doable financially for your friends.

    Hope it helped ! :slight_smile:
     
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    That is what I thought,and yes that is the flight I was looking at aswell,because they already did so much for me,I dont want them to spend too much money on things that I wouldnt be able to go.

    Now that that is decided,would anyone be happen to know if Belgium is a good LGBT friendly place?(what are my chances there) and if so could anyone give me tips or advices on what should I do once I arrive there?

    Thank you so much for your reply Lining.
     
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    Hi there!

    Took me a while to read everything, but I am very sympathetic towards what you're going to, and I do wish you all the best (whichever path you take).

    In reference to Belgium, yes, it's an extremely pro LGBT and very liberal country. Realistically, and in a more general point - pretty much all of Western Europe is very pro-LGBT (at least in the legal sense).

    I couldn't help but notice that (obviously) you are writing in English - so if you want to think about ability to get work, and most importantly - ability to intergrate / assimilate into a potential new country; the fact that you know English makes me wonder that you should look at the UK or Ireland? They are nearest English Speaking countries - with Canada, USA, Australia and NZ to name a few are much further away.

    Unless you speak any other languages besides your native tounge?

    Could you clarify something for me as well - do you have an open ticket to the United States (i.e - fly whenever suits you) or is it on a specific date. Further to this, everyone is correct - a 1-way flight ticket would not even get you any consideration for asylum unfortunately! :frowning2:.
     
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    No worries. :slight_smile:

    Belgium is extremely gay friendly and have actually done more for the LGBT community than most countries in the world. Belgium was the second country to legalize same-sex marriage in 2003, they also made sure that gay couple could have access to adoption and lesbians couple to IVF if they wanted to. This isn't possible in my home country ( France)

    There is actually an important number of Asylium claims from people in the same circumstances as you in Belgium each year. I have actually found some very interesting article about it : LGBT Asylum News: In Belgium, a growth in sexuality-based asylum claims and a VERY informative and explanatory free pdf ''book'' about fleeing homophobia and seeking Asylium in Europe.
    I believe it gives precious informations about the process and will help you figure out your rights, what you are entitled to and what may or may not happen during this lenghty process so I highly recommend you read it : http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4ebba7852.pdf


    Endymion is right though, by chosing a country who's official languages are different to your own you are going to be face by a difficulty so I would strongly advice you start learning French ( if you plan on living in the French part of Belgium) to facilitate the whole process because immigration officers tend to be more supportive of people who have higher chances of fitting into their society by being able to find a job etc... and the language will help you big time so I would dedicate my time to that. :slight_smile:




    Hope this will be helpful, good luck ! :slight_smile:
     
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    Thank you for your reply and yes I do want to know more about potential places that I can also have the ability to work,as I know my beginning will be very hard.I would say that I am a fluent speaker of English,although I do make some mistakes when typing which makes people think that I am not very good at it,the sole reason of why I learned English is cuz of the love for the USA.I know I wouldnt be able to go to UK,Ireland,Canada or other countries that you mentioned as they require visa,my friends are also willing to get me a return ticket for the USA if that can help me get there.As I said before the ticket flight date and arrangament can be changed if they were to contact their staff,its in the FAQ page of the website from which I booked tickets from.

    For other languages I can mostly understand when someone is speaking Japanese to me,but on the speaking level I am beginner,the only other 2 languages are Macedonian(my home language) and English(which I started learning and loving ever since I was a little kid),this is ofc not counting Serbian,Croatian and I can understand Bulgarian and Russian at some level.

    Thank you for your help so far Lining and I will take a look in the links you have sent me!I really appriciate what you have done for me so far,and you have actually helped me boost up my confidence.

    Wherever my path will take me atm I dont care as long as I am out of this toxic Macedonia that they call country.My final destination in the end will be USA,cuz of my friends,a family waits me there and I dont mind working my way up to it,everything is better than what I am going through right now.I mean I still havent accepted myself as LGBT because of the rape and the molestation that was being done to me on my early ages as a kid,and I dont know if I ever will.I never allowed myself to love neither male or female and during my highschool and middleschool some of my grades would fall due to depression and I was very anti social.The only friends that I have are the USA friends and I am so glad to have them in my life,because they have helped me cope with what was happening infront of me and I can never thank them for that,they have given me life,a purpose.I can only imagine the reaction when I eventually get there,I know that they will hug me and will say something like:"Brother,now you are here,we are never letting you out of our sight",it will make me cry so much,I cannot wait for that day to come,to see the look on their faces,to hug them and finally whisper thank you to them for everything that they have done!
     
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    Have you ever thought about becoming a translator? The fact that you know 7 languages is extremely impressive and also incredibly intelligent in your part!

    For example, in the UK - I know they regularly do sponsorship for translate for (ironically) their immigration department.

    Perhaps you should look at doing official channels and see if your multi-language adaptability will serve you very well in the future?
     
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    Thank you for your kind words Endymion and the asnwer to your question is yes I have appplied to multiple locations in europe aswell as Canada,USA,UK.Nobody would employ someone with no work experience and only high school education.I have done volunateer work as a translator for a multi race organisation in here where my job would consist of showing the travelers around town and translating what they were saying to the office people and I had some training courise I think you called it working as a hardware & software specialist for a PC sell shop.

    I am not eligable to work anywhere and people would not hire someone with so little experience,that is why this is not an option right now(even though I want it to be).Plus I am already too deep in depression and let down due to living in this country so that is why I cannot wait to get out of here and go towards an accepting country as nobody would hire a person who is not in shape.All I am doing right now is spreading negative energy,instead of being positive,I do hope I wont be this much powerless in the future,but first I must secure it.
     
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    No problem about the help, it's normal as I would love someone doing what I have been doing for me if I happened to be in your situation so that's really no issues.


    Regarding a return flight ticket to the US it won't change anything. You need a visa, that's the first thing they'll check because the airline is liable if they let someone without an appropriate visa on their plane. You even need a visa for a layover in the US so the visa is a must at this stage and you won't get there if you don't have it.


    I fully understand that the US is your final destination but I am not going to lie to you the road to that goal is going to be extremely hard and extremely long. Most European-born can't even get a working visa for the US because it's extremely difficult to get and have to go through a spouse visa if they ever want to get green card (I am definitely not advising you this, just stating facts) but obviously that's still a very long and very expensive process for all party involve and not everyone will make it.
    In your case you'll have to go through the Asylium process first, hope to have it granted (which too can take a long time) and then try and find a way to make it to the US legally.

    Something you have to know though which is a good news, is that Belgium consider Macedonia one of the ''safe'' countries which means people coming from this country will have their case studies quicker and the reply to their case quicker which is a good thing. Considering Macedonia is very homophobic I am sure you won't have any problem proving your case, but you have to know that you cannot leave Belgium during the entire procedure nor can you be in contact with your own country authorities/embassy.

    Personally I would start by calling the Belgium government/embassy and ask them if your case would be enough to be granted Asylium if you were to come to Belgium, explaining in detail your situation and explaining that you want to leave as soon as possible due to your life being in-danger, and see what they actually say or if they redirect you towards another country. :slight_smile:
     
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    I am up to fight for my dream to eventually end up in USA and thank you for the information you have been providing me so far Lining,I feel more confident going into Belgium now.USA and friends can wait as I cant get to it right now,as soon as I am out of the toxic country I can work towards that.

    And dont worry about me not contacting my country,I dont plan to,as soon as I am out I am going to completely erase Macedonia and start living a life,that has always been my dream and it still is.
     
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    Well I am glad to hear ! Good luck and keep us updated ! :slight_smile:
     
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    Hi there! Could you please clarify the following for me as well:

    In your previous replies you did not answer that. You know, I have realised that you are avoiding answering any questions that are related to the actual flight from Stockholm to the United States, or to the United States in general.

    If this is the case:

    How come you are avoiding it, if you already have the ticket that your friends bought it for you?
     
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    I do have the ticket,I am not avoiding it and no I cannot fly whenever I want to,its date is to 18/11,but that ticket is going down the drain and my friends already told me that if I go for Belgium ticket(which I will) they will not call and ask for a flight change and will just buy a new one for the flight because its cheap(even though I volontereed to talk to the staff personally and request the change).

    Does this answer your question?
     
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    Yes, and no. There is a very good reason why I am asking the questions that I am asking because it does not make a lot of sense for someone to buy a ticket without actually looking into all of the necessary arrangements required in order to be able to enter the US, especially with a one way ticket, which in itself is an issue.

    You never answered the question of which airline you would be flying from Stockholm to New York. When I asked you earlier, you gave me the name of a flight search engine. Though yet, and given the information you supposedly have, you should have no problems naming the airline that will get you into New York. With which airline would you have flown into the US?

    In regards to the one way ticket your friends bought, and when it comes to entering the US, or another country, usually one can not do that with a one ticket as it was mentioned above. I can only see someone being able to enter with a one way ticket, if they are immigrating and have the approval to be a Permanent Resident and can show that at the border or airport, or are entering the country as a temporary foreign worker where they have a year or two years to work, or come in on a humanitarian flight because they are fleeing a war torn country.

    But none of these scenarios apply to you.

    In response to Linning's post, you essentially confirmed that you already knew that buying a one way ticket and not having an entry visa would be problematic. Though yet your friends went ahead and bought the ticket. :confused:

    Usually in order to buy an international airline ticket, you need to provide all kinds of personal information, that will be verified once you are checking-in at the airport. The information required will depend on your end destination. Given that you would be flying into the United States, and having traveled to the United States myself, I can tell you that they are not looking for just basic information.

    I do wonder as to how your friends bought the ticket on your behalf? Can you explain the steps that you and your friends took. If I am really honest with you, I find it curious that your friends would even go to the lengths that you have described given that you never met them in person - at least going on the information you have provided earlier.

    Furthermore, before you started explaining that you wanted to go to Denmark and now Belgium, you mentioned:

    and then this in the same post:

    Unless I'm missing something here, but assuming that your friends bought the ticket from Skopje to Sweden and from Sweden to the US, and were looking into changing the ticket so you can fly to a European destination, why did you need to buy an additional ticket?

    However, in another post you mentioned that your friends thought that it would be cheaper to buy another ticket rather than to change the original ticket. :confused:

    Additionally, you look at all kinds of information on claiming asylum though yet, have you actually looked into whether the United States would accept asylum seekers from Macedonia? If for example the United States has determined that Macedonia in itself is a safe country, it doesn't make sense to apply for refugee status in the US. Essentially what you would be doing is going from a 'safe' country to another 'safe' country.
     
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    You confused me a lot,but here are some things I can answer that you were refering to.

    From Stockholm to USA on the website it still says that the airline is Norwegian or better yet here is the link of the ticket: https://goo.gl/Ca5i7T

    As for the steps,we didnt know that trouble would arise once the ticket was bought and later found out about it.They thought that I would be able to land in New York just fine and be asked for visa at the gates there and there I would say that I wish to claim asylum.

    For the next one,the reason why they will go for the second ticket is we were unsure that I will be able to board the Sweden plane as when I checked earlier on the IATA website,it gave me multiple times that I would require Swedish Visa to transit to it,but now that I checked I got only this: http://i.imgur.com/8JdFAV0.png which I do think its weird.Hmm you are actually right I dont know what was going on,is it possible that through all the commotion and the pressure I mistyped something and made a mistake?

    I am so sorry for this,I just now realized that I have made a mistake,you are right Mirko.

    As for the last sentence,we tried searching online for the asylum cases and we found that everybody gets a chance to fight for themselfs and we did read LGBT asylum seekers are allowed to claim asylum there as long as they can prove their case.Also a friend of mine has a judge uncle and he asked him about the procedure,but the uncle unkowing the asylum cases he only told him that no matter where he is from,he wont get deported unless he is first heard by the judge or the officer and then from there a case needs to be made.

    I think I answered all of it? If not I am so sorry but you confused me a lot and actually helped me see a critical error,I did not see that I have made an error over there.

    Edit,Additional information: My friends just bought the ticket without checking all of the stuff,the visa requirements and such,so did I,cuz they knew my situation and how though it is to get one,so we all desperately relied on me getting there and claiming asylum in the gates as the only options,the website did not ask for documentation and other requirements.

    What would be your advice Mirko?

    They still havent bought the additional ticket as I told them that I am getting consulted on what the best options for myself are,what should I do?
     
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