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In love with my straight best friend

Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by awesomekid, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. James1991

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    This. Everything this guy said, in fact.

    This friendship reeks of dysfunction, and not just on his part but on yours as well. You say he's using you inappropriately for your money, but you're also using him inappropriately for your sexual interest by paying him to send you nudes, fully being aware of his desperation and vulnerability. That's taking advantage, and having been taken advantage of in that exact way before, I have no problem pointing out to you that a good portion of the responsibility for all this pain and dysfunction falls on you as well.

    It doesn't make you a bad person by any means. Good people, wonderfully loving people even, make poor decisions
    in a moment of weakness. However, by reading your threads, its clear that when you two are around each other, those poor decisions are frequented to a damaging extent.

    My advice to you is to quit him cold turkey. Send him a message or tell him briefly in person that his friendship is causing nothing but unpleasant turbulence, and you need to not see or hear from him anymore; you've expressed genuine concern for his addiction and made repeated efforts to get him help, but his refusal is dully noted, and its not your problem anymore. Stop taking on this person's problems as your own. Cut all ties with him, ignore his efforts to maintain communication, and QUIT HIM. Take your time away from him as a welcome opportunity to work on your personal growth, to work on your maturity and evaluate your priorities, maybe even better yourself in your decision making skills. Anything, So long as you seriously distance yourself from this overwhelmingly toxic friendship.

    Cutting all ties may sound harsh, and yes it truly is harsh when done before any other restorative measures are taken, but it is a last resort, and after reading your repeated, cyclical experiences with this friend, its time for drastic measures if you ever want resolution. It doesn't mean you don't care, it doesn't mean that at all. All it means is that you are taking control of this situation when clearly no one else will, and practicing a little bit of self preservation in the process.


    I wish you the best, and i hope all bodes well in whatever action you choose to take!
     
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  2. awesomekid

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    Regardless of my actions, i truly care about him. I care about in a romantic way, but I also care about him as a person. I worry about him and i truly hope that nothing bad happens to him. I now understand that I cannot help him, he can only help himself. I also know how bad his drug addiction is. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed giving him head; but i also knew that his addiction has only increased. It's hard for me to give up on him, but i have to do it. Its even harder because I feel like i can help him change. He has a few friends, but none that will help him. I feel like i am his true friend. All of this has take a toll on me. I don't understand why he started taking pills? He has an amazing family. I just don't understand why? How can someone that I grew up, who was such an amazing person and a talented soccer player just throw his life away like that? Why does not realize what i am trying to tell him? Why, why, why? I know i am no one to control his life, but I just don't want to see him dead. That is my biggest fear. The fear of getting a phone call and someone telling that he overdose. A part of me wants to give up on him, then again i still have hope that I can still change him. I am a kind person. I always want people to better themselves, to grow and be better. Although we both used each other, I really did want him to stop taking pills. You guys don't know how much i tried. His passion is music and I was hoping that we would use that to stop taking pills. I am going to try my hardest to not contact him even if he contacts me first. Its just hard knowing that my friend is killing himself slowly and I can't do anything to help him. I don't have the type of heart to just forget about him. To not worry about him. Maybe its because I love him, but I also care and wants whats best for him. Thank you guys for reading and for your replies.
     
  3. Californiacoast

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    I think your friendship has morphed into Codependency. There is a great book I read years ago called, "Codepency No more". I think it might help you. Essentially it is when we start depending on someone or their behaviors to feel good about ourselves. It becomes an obsesesion. I have been there in a gay relationship. It was brutal. I had to ignore texts for months. But every day I focused on healthy new relationships and myself. I also wrote down a list of ten reasons I shouldn't ccommunicate with him anymore and every time I was tempted, I would remind myself! It worked.
     
  4. awesomekid

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    Pain killers on the kitchen counter
    It all hurst so bad
    You take a few a day
    You numb yourself and get away
    It's kills me to see you hurt
    You are immune to pain but
    All the pain is killing me
    Tell me how not to be hurt
    When I see you doing wrong?
    You feel pain, you take a few more
    Now the pain is gone
    My pain get worst
    Shit, I am ready to give up on you
    Then again, I was told to never quit

    I decided to start writing to help me ease my pain
     
  5. awesomekid

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    Have any of you ever felt lonely, weak and empty? It's like I can't accept the fact that I am gay. Or maybe I just don't want to accept it. But how do you deal with? When you feel like the whole world is going to judge you and criticize you? I feel alone and hopeless right now. I smile without wanting too. I have hard times problems waking up. It's as if the thought of being gay is killing me slowly. I am a strong individual but at times I just want someone to hold me down and tell me that it'll will be ok. That it is ok to be the way I am. I want to be free.
     
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    (*hug*)
    I definitely felt like that sometimes. The idea of being gay, being different in any way, can sometimes make one feel alone and separated and hopeless.
    But, while I can't physically hug you to make you feel at ease, I can tell you one thing: yes, it will be OK. It might take a bit of time and effort, but I don't doubt that you can be out and open and be accepted and loved and happy.

    Now, I suspect that this bout of feeling bad also has to do with the fact that, until now, you only had this one friend who knew. And, even if he is fundamentally a good person, he's not the one to get acceptance from.
    But don't think that because you can't be friends like you used to, you also lost all opportunity for acceptance and friendship forevermore!

    Because: there are people out there who care for you. In fact, you mention some in earlier posts. Those guys trying to set you up with a girlfriend aren't doing it because they want you to be straight. No, they want to do so because they think "hey, awesomekid is pretty awesome. and I want him to be happy! So maybe I could help him with that!".

    And, even if this whole situation has alienated you from your other friends somewhat, it's never too late to reconnect. To focus on getting closer to them again. And yes, to open up and come out to them (even coming out to one of them would make a difference).

    Look at it this way: this whole nastyness with your friend is unconnected to you being gay. And before it happened, you had a 100% positive reaction to coming out. So there's no reason your other friends wouldn't be cool! You mentioned helping them and being there for them. Well, now is the time to allow them to be there for you!

    It's not fun feeling like this, but yes: things will be OK! (*hug*)
     
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    You enabled his ability to do something that could possibly end up killing him by manipulating him into doing something he, as a rational person, would never normally do. Thus, you made the recovery slope that much more slippery. Unfortunately, even if he recovers, you will likely never regain his trust. He knows you were using him. You acted against his best interests in 2 ways, and against your own in 2 ways, too. First, you allowed yourself to compromise morality/integrity to get what you want. The more you do this, the easier it becomes. Second, you fed your own addiction/dependency on him and made it that much harder for you to quit. You are not the victim, but the enabler. You are your own problem, and you are also the solution. That is the hard truth. Realize it, accept it, and decide to take POSITIVE action now to improve your situation IMMEDIATELY.

    Here's what to do to free yourself: find a new activity, a new social circle, something to get involved in immediately and focus all of your attention there. You cannot overcome your desires if you sulk in them without distraction. Find a therapist, and/or a group you can speak to. Do anything to change the cycle of your routine. You cannot fix your friend without fixing yourself. Your friend cannot help you through this, in the same way that the same drug cannot be used to help an addict overcome his addiction.
     
  8. awesomekid

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    I agree with all of your opinions. I just wish you all would understand that before it go the way it did. I put aside my feelings in hopes that he would stop using pills. You have no idea how much I part each day for him to stop. I realized that instead of helping him, I only damaged him in various ways. My intentions were always good with him. They really were. I acted in a horrible way. I feel like we are each others poison. And I agree I have to get a new habit and just keep busy. I will no longer contact him even if he contacts me. In reality I really did want to help him. And that I can say with the bottom of my heart
     
  9. awesomekid

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    I know I am not an angel. The only two things I regret doing was paying him for naked pics and for paying him to give him head. At the same time, we all have options. He could of said no. Not that I am trying to justify my wrongs. All of that also made me realize how much of a pill junkie he really is. Prior all of this drama. When I realized he had an addiction, I told him I wanted to take pills. He got them for me right away. And of course I didn't take them. I threw them away. I told him that I had taken them am that I actually enjoyed them. I did the same thing again. Then I told him why he hasn't told about them and I ask him how long he had been taken them and what are other ways of taking them. He pretty much told me everything. I then knew he had a problem. When I finally approached him about we fought and fought and fought. He then told me ha had a problem. This was the first time I told him I was willing to help him. He told me he was going to stop taking them and just smoke weed instead. I offer to buy him weed without realized he was using the money for pills. In all honesty I just wanted him to stop taking pills. I don't regret paying his phone bill or buying him shoes and clothes. I did it because I wanted too. I did it because I wanted him to realize that with hard work you can buy certain things and love a lifestyle. I did not know we were going to end up like this. I text him today and I apologize for everything that I did to him. I told him that I caused him nothing but problems and that I wanted to help but if anything I made things worse for him. He said it was "ok." I told him it was not ok. I've been suggesting to him to change his number since about 6months again. And he never did. Today I begged him to change it. He didn't want to so I offer him that I would pay for him to change it. He said " I am fine for
    Now, but if that's what you want me to do I will do it." He finally changed his number so that will solve a lot of our issues. I know I am not an angel. I know what I did wrong. I became a horrible person by trying to help him. My intentions were not to take advantage of his weakness. I guess I was tired of being used and lied too. Then again it was my fault for putting myself in that position. I can say that I truly did love him. I finally know what it's like to love someone even if they don't love you back. Like fairy tales, our story does not have a happy ending as we both hurt one another. But it sure was one hell of a story. Now, now, I can say that I took the first step on moving one with my life. I can finally focus on myself. And I don't want to portray myself as the victim. I know my wrongs and I don't have a problem admitting them. Ill keep you guys posted as to what happens next. Oh and one more thing, I can't wait for the day that I will no longer dream about him, think about him am worry about him. Please feel free to comment, and give me advice. Tell me your honest opinion. I enjoy harsh criticism
     
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    This is a slightly similar situation to a friend of mine. He is about 9 years my junior and says he's straight but admitted he experimented with guys when he was younger. I get mixed signals from him sometimes. He is generally very friendly with everyone though. I have actually expressed my interest in him flat out. It was almost a year ago and he said he didn't feel for me except as a friend. Well actually... he never really said much, he was short on words. I'd ask questions and he'd respond yes or no. So he's on notice that I'm interested in him. It was on the drive back from a weekend camping trip last November. We used separate tents.

    Well, I am about to leave this area in my motorhome in about 3 weels and I don't bee back for a year or two. he has known about this plan ever since I started working toward it almost 2 years ago.

    I have expressed to him that I want him to come along with me and he's not sure he'd like ti. He's on disability, same as me. but much of his family is living off his check and they have him under their thumb. He chooses to live in a falling down travel trailer so he has some sense of "his own place". He's scared of leaving all he knows, this area. But it seems strange he'd even consider hitting the road with a gay guy who likes him as more than a friend, if he's really straight and not in denial about being gay or bi.

    I have known him about 4-5 years and was the one who found him when he ran away from home a couple years ago. He's well past 18 but can't drive due to seizures and didn't have a cell phone. They were worried he might be dead on the side of the road and so was I. I care about him a lot as a friend and wish we could be more.

    Okay back to what I had started to say. We are going camping again this weekend. Yesterday I asked him if he wanted to sleep in the motorhome (the dinette turns into a bed, separate from the main bed) or in a tent, and he said tent. Today he changed his mind and said he'll sleep in the motorhome so he doesn't have to bring as much stuff. Of course, we were in a crowded place.

    I'm about ready to just ask him flat out if he wants to fool around, while we're out camping this weekend. :icon_redf It might make things a little bit awkward for a while but dangit.... sometimes you just gotta be blunt.
     
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    awesomekid,

    You may enjoy harsh advice, but I see you as someone who enjoys helping others and has more of a "Savior complex". Its like seeing the wounded puppy on the side of the road and focusing all your efforts on saving the puppy, while Semi Trailer trucks are whizzing by at 75 MPH within inches of your head. You can get so focused on the puppy that you don't realize the dangers that are inherit in the process. Maybe a better use of time would be to go volunteer at the local Human Society.

    There are many healthy gay men out there that are looking for relationship. They don't need to be saved like the puppy. They can give their heart, but they might be just aloof enough to catch your interest and present enough challenge to keep you satisfied.

    I would focus my time on finding one of them. I remember meeting the first out gay guy that was like that for me. It was like living in a dream land. No more trying to convince a straight guy to like me or fix someone. This guy wanted me...all of me. It doesn't get any better than that.
     
  12. awesomekid

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    California coast, thank your replying to me. I guess I am just stupid when it comes to friendship. My intentions are always good but at times my actions say otherwise. I never felt like this before not have I gone through anything like this with anyone before. Today was a better day. I feel like I took the first step towards helping myself. I also feel like I can't trust people. I don't know why. I have trust issues. I really do think I need to meet new people in my life. And in all honesty, I've been feeling like shit. I've been liking my friend for over 2years now. Like I mentioned before, him and I click so well but yet we can go off on each other and hate each other in .5 secs. I just need to learn how to let go and let God. With all of this I also learned that I cannot help anyone. And the best way to help others is by not doing anything for them. They have to help themselves. Just like me, I can only help myself from selfdestruction

    Seriously, thank you everyone for reading my posts and replying to me. This is the only place and I talk to you guys about this. You all have been very helpful. I am strong I have not gave up now and I refuse to give up now.
     
  13. awesomekid

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    If anyone cares. I am doing much better today. I haven't been thinking about at all. I am also eating and will be seeing a therapist tomorrow morning. Hopefully all of this will be over before I even know it
     
  14. awesomekid

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    Suicidal thoughts just keep getting stronger. Don't know why? I feel as if I am living a lie. As if I am letting my parents down
     
  15. awesomekid

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    A few days ago, the thought of killing myself got to me. I am glad I did t do anything stupid. I can now say that all of this has come to an end. He changed his number and I deleted his email so that both him and I don't have a way to communicate with each other. I can't lie, the pain is still there but I learned my lesson. I grew from this horrible experience and I am happier now. I can see much clearer now. I barely think about him. I guess things will only get better now. What I got from this is experience was that although I wanted to him, I was only damaging myself in all possible ways. Now I can say that I want nothing to do with him. Even if he ever asks me for help or anything I won't be there for him. Not that I am a bad person, but simply because I no longer care. We both hurt each other. I wish him nothing but the best and now it's all about me. I need to take care of myself. You all have been amazing thank you all :slight_smile:
     
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    Truth. This exact realization rings true for me too.
     
  17. awesomekid

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    Here we go again. He text me today and asked me if I wanted to do it again tomorrow. At first, I am not going to lie. I told him that I would do it. Then I followed by textin him this. "To be honest dude, i no longer want to do any of that it is not good for both you and me. If anything it is making things worse between you and me." and he said "cool we do not have to do it it is up to you" I replied "no lets just not do it anymore. when you truly need money let me know I will give it to you you don't have to do anything." and he said alright. and I said "do get mad bro but if you want it to buy pills do not lie to me, i will buy them for you just don't lie to me and i do not want to bring anything up i am just simply telling you straight forward its your life dude like i told you before, i cannot control your life nor do I want too. but ill support whatever you do just promise me one thing? i know you are having fun doing your thing and i do not blame you take as many pills as you want now dude but just promise me that when you are ready to quit you are going to tell me even if its a year or two from now." and all he said was "yeah" and then i asked him to hang out with some friends and i next month and i followed by saying "alright ill let you go gotta get back to work have a good one" and he replied "ok dude if your up to do one last time lmk" I told him "no! you need the money? how much do you need? and he replied "no i don't i was just saying if you change your mind but ok i'll hit you up later" then i told him that i would do it only if he would cum on my face (hormones got to me by now lol) so we proceeded on talking about the price and how long i would do it for. we were talking about it yaaaadaaa yaaaadaaaa yaaadaa. etc. then I said "i am sorry i just rather not. you will probably hate me even more. You are my boy dude. Like literally dude you are my friend and i still consider you my best fucking friend." and he said "lol, yea dude lets just not talk about this over texts r'd rather talk about it in person. I agreed with him. long story short we were texting about other things then i told him that for both him and i not to bring it up ever again. then he said "wanna do it last time tomorrow for less money? so we agreed on doing it tomorrow i just don't know if i want too do it or not? we are suppose to talk about everything tomorrow after we do it i just do not how i feel? should i do it or not? and he said this "i cna't make my dick stay had when you are on it though it hurts and i get turned off you know but ill try my best lol you gotta be more easy on it cause i feel thats why i cant get it up I wont want to get techincal but you rub your tounge way to hard on it lmao i am sure i can keep it up but just be easy on it." at this point, i do not know if he is doing it for the money or if he really wants to do it and he may be sexually frustrated i do not know. I mean i offer to give him money without doing anything when he needed it but yet he asked me to do it again tomorrow? at this point i really do not know what to think and or do.? do not get me wrong i am excited, but at the same time i want to make the right decision i do not want to do something just because i am horny
     
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    First of all, you are enabling a drug addict, and you aren't even a friend to this person if you continue to do that. You said earlier, "I truly care about him" and "I care about him as a person." Well, your action dictates the complete opposite in a very extreme way. Second, flip flopping between "I grew from this horrible experience" to this, you are just going to continue to feel like shit. You need to listen to the advice other people have given and make some changes in your life.
     
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    At this point, it's crystal clear that you're going through this pattern of cutting off contact and then relapsing back towards him. There's nothing more we can say to help you if you don't or can't listen to what we've suggested. Just as how your friend will live his life, you will live your life. The choice is yours, and while no one said it'd be easy, it's still possible to stick by what you said you would.
     
  20. awesomekid

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    Thank you guys for you feedback. It is all appreciated. Ok, so him and I have been hanging out. We talked about a few things and things seem to be going back to normal little by little. I've been giving him head for the past 3days. He claims that he hates it, but he always gets hard. He said he wasn't going to be able to get hard because of the pills he takes, but yet with me I am able to get him fully hard lol we laugh about it now. I told him that we should just have a good time now without any labels and he agreed. He just asked me for me not to fall in love with him. I think he might be gay or at least bi. He tries to tell me that he does not enjoy heading head by me and that it hurts a bit but yet he gets hard lol and he also says that with girls he enjoys it but yet he is still a virgin lol he is an amazing guy overall I just don't know if anything is ever going to happen between him and I. He also said that he is nervous to have sex with a girl. I mean at this point I don't know what to think of. I guess we are just having fun for now. Usually when I give him head, he puts a time limit but next month we are going on a small vacation and he asked me "when we go on vacation next month there won't be a time limit" it's something that I was going to suggest but he beat me to it. Overall, I still want him to stop taking pills and he said that that was going to be his new year resolution. Maybe I am stupid for not giving up on him?

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    Also, I feel that he might still be a virgin because he is not that big down there. Maybe he feels uncomfortable with his size. He might not be bigger than 5inches when hard. This is my assumption I feel weird asking him though. We hung out today and had a good time laughing and flirting a bit