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Were you born gay?

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  1. Paul_UK

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    I disagree. I think it is genetic, like being left handed or whatever, and is not something we learn or can control. Scientific and medical views tend to be in that direction too.

    But there is no point in arguing. There are different views and not one definitive proven answer.
     
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    ur not getting the point. they learn their preference in sexuality while growing. I AM VERY SURE EVERYONE HERE LEARNT ABOUT SEX ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. no one was born with knowledge, it's somehting we gain though development. hence no one is born homosexual. :dry:
     
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    Re: was you born gay?

    same here. sept that went into the Straight/Bi phase, i kept thinking how it'll work out and get grossed out. in other words, i thought i liked girls but even thinking of kissing one made me want to gag. i guess i'm super sensitive that way! XP and then that phase left when i finally came out! so all's good! born gay and proud to be that way! :slight_smile:
     
  4. Ty

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    No, you don't learn about sex. But you can't control who you find appealing and attractive. I didn't learn to find men attractive. It just happened. Do tell how one learns to be gay?
     
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    I think you are definately born with preferences and sexuality. For example, did you know that tiny babies and toddlers masturbate before they even know what they're doing? The idea that kids are a sexual "blank slate" is just wrong.

    I do think that sexuality if fluid and can evolve though. I have ongoing confusion about whether I feel I was born gay. Like the other lesbians here, I often used to roleplay as a boy when I was very small. For as long as I can remember I've been playing Dads and boyfriends to my friends. But that's not very conclusive evidence.

    I wasn't interested in boys at all until secondary school. Then I had some crushes on guys, but it was mainly just a platonic, girl-crush thing. I wanted to be friends with the boys, and it seemed like the only way to do that was to be their girlfriend. I probably would rather have just hung out with them normally, but boys can be very cliquey and protectionist against girls :frowning2:

    I think I had a phase when I really needed an outlet for my sexuality and the only way I could think of was straight. It was quite frightening to admit I might be attracted to girls.

    But since I did admit that, I seem to be more and more gay. It feels like I'm returning to the real me who's always been there since I was small, but who got lost somewhere along the shitty path of puberty.
     
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    you dont learn it...its just like...when ur 5 or 6..its your first social time...like..EVER....so..u start to notice ppl..u know who u want as your friends.....and u know who you dont like...so..shouldnt u know who u like too??i didnt....but..i remember...not ever wanting to like girls that way....i know...MOST kindergardeners think that way..but...i mean like in a "hey..will u be my sister/best friend" way..as in "i would TOTALLY NEVVVVEEERRRR kisss uuuu..." but with boys..it was..."hey...i want to be his friend...and i would TOTALLY..."...but i was scared then..so..i never really had complete thoughts about it..T_T..but ya..so ur right..its not the same as teens and older..but still...

    but hey..im not trying to start arguments or anything..everyone has their opinion..just stating mine..
     
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    If we're going into reasons for homosexuality then i am all for it. My A-Level course has focused on 4 main areas of psychology:
    Biological; Behaviourism; Psychodynamic and Cognition.

    Sexuality has only ever come up in the first two approaches. I'll start off by talking about some points people have made.

    It is true that we start off with what is called a "clean slate" from birth, but this is based on our mind. We are constantly analysing and assessing our surroundings so we can learn through assocation. This is where our behaviourism and psychodynamic aspects come together and affect how we are throughout life (hence why bad childhood can result in problems later in life). The problem with saying that being gay is a preference is that it simply does not match what is a behaviour. A behaviour is (and i quote from my Psychology class) "A physical attraction that is observable. It is influenced by factors in the environment". The environment part is irrelevant, but sexuality is not an observable behaviour for us. A sexual act is, but an attraction to somebody is not. This is why it is silly to say we can be gay because we have observed others. You can kiss a guy because you have observed others, but that is more like you conforming rather than turning gay.

    Psychologists no longer believe homosexuality is anything to do with preferences regarding behaviour and association due to the failed (and turtorous) therapies patients went through. Those of you who have seen the movie 'A Clockwork Orange' will be aware of the Aversion therapy the character was put through. Homosexuals have been put through the same in the past too. For those unaware, this involved giving the patients a drug that made them ill and forcing them to watch gay porn. This caused psychological disturbance as after the treatment it caused them to feel sick every time they saw a male they were attracted to due to associating it with the drug that made them ill, and as a result they were "cured" (a term i use very loosely) from their disease (which is what it was seen as). The problem with this is that they admitted it only treated the attraction (the symptom) and not the actual orientation. The therapy aims at treating the undesireable behaviour which it did as the patients no longer had sex with men, but they still couldn't help feelings towards them. This meant that the sexual acts was the only behaviour in homosexuality as the actual being gay part was still present. This disproved theories that it could be cured and psychologists will never use a therapy on it now to try and cure it as it does not work.

    Genetics on the other hand have a very strong link to sexuality, although there is no real discovery as to why people are gay at this moment in time. It is just a more ecologically valid theory than "they choose to be". Homosexuality is seen as being abnormal. No offense to peeps but that's what it is. The biological approach teaches us about how genetics influence our behaviour. Many of you will be aware that you have always knew there was something different about you, but you only realised you were gay at a later age. This is part of your biochemistry and you mostly realise your sexuality during puberty when sexual chemicals are released into your body. This is all influenced by your genetics, and as it has already been proven that orientation cannot be part of behaviourism alone, it is believed that it is your genetics which make you act and feel the way you do. You do not have complete control of your feelings, and to say you choose who you like is far from the truth as that once again is all influenced by chemicals inside you.

    There will always be research into how genetics may not be true and other malarcky, but ask yourself this: Do you think you are gay/bi/whatever because you choose to be or because your genetics want you to be? You are who you are for a reason. Being called abnormal is not an insult, it just means you are not the norm. It is not something that should make you feel down and being gay is a widely accepted lifestyle in medical views.

    The behaviourist approach tried tackling homosexuals, but all it did was treat the symptoms and not the problem. If it simply was a behaviour alone then it would be cured through therapies, but you need to remember that how we feel towards people is not an observable act and does not fit into behaviourism. This is why we cannot say we choose to be gay as it does not fit into how behaviourist psychologists now look at things. We simply have no control on how we feel, and sexual attraction is based on chemicals. They affect our mood (depression), life (height, eye colour etc) and our feelings (who we like). Now how can we say that being gay is a choice when our attraction to males is based on our genetics and biochemistry? It makes no sense because you can't just copy and paste bits from psychological approaches and fit it into your own little argument.
     
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    By that logic, no one is born straight either. (shrug)

    I think I see where you are coming fromw ith this, with a John Locke sort of blank slte type thing. But I think you should know that there are other positions out there and psychologists and scientists from all different fields (from behaviorists to geneticists) working on the "why" question and we still don't know. It's not quite so simple.
     
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    We have 3 instincts:

    1. Food
    2. Sleep
    3. Sex

    It's been that way for a looooong time down the evolution chain. Who we're attacted to is something that we can't choose. It might be DNA, development, or environment. Personally I think it's all 3: there's some DNA that can provide potential for homosexuality, then during development it's triggered by the environment/hormones.

    At least we can all agree that it's not a choice.
     
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    Yeah there's no denying it - I was definitely born gay/lesbian. Although it all only clicked when i was 15 there were red flags everywhere in my youth.

    I never owned a single doll (i'm talking barbie or similar) purely by choice, I refused to wear dresses/skirts & other girly clothes but preferred my brother's 6 sizes too big hand-me-down clothing with holes in it and I always related better to the boys at school than the girls - i just didn't get them.
     
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    I read a research paper the other day that says in light of new research into the field of sexuality - some believe there are actually 2 distinct sexual orientations that the human genome will define (just whether you are tall or short, female or male) and they are either heterosexual or homosexual...interesting i thought:icon_wink
     
  12. JWAD

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    Hey I can offer a small chunk of info on this. From my GCSE statistics coursework I discovered that boys wiith older brothers are more likely to be gay. Further research told me that this may be because of residual chemicals left in the womb after the birth of a boy the trend is the more older brother the more likely you are to be gay. So according to this research it depends on what you define as birth. If it's the leaving of the womb then it suggests that there is a definate possibility that some people may be born gay however if you define birth as the point of which the sperm meats with the egg then perhaps people are not born gay. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone as I have no older brothers.
     
  13. STK

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    What? I AM an older brother, and I'm gay.
     
  14. Scotty2Hotty

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    I believe people are genetically programmed to be attracted to the same or opposite, or both sexes. However, the upbringing of the person has an effect in which the sexual feeling may be re-orientated in a particular way, and may be contrary to the natural feelings of the individual. Despite this, the ultimate desire is inexorably present and whether or not the upbringing has imposed a set of values contrary to the natural feeling, there will always be an attraction in accordance to those feelings.

    Furthermore, I believe there are varying degrees of sexuality and not always an absolute, singular orientation. For example, I did fancy a few girls, but that was probably due to my resistance to homosexuality and the manifestation of my feelings in the most easily attractable person. I always was attracted to the opposite sex whether I suppressed it or not. Now I have learned to follow my naturally programmed feelings. As the "Kinsey report" suggests, these varying degrees of sexuality mean very few people who are 100% gay or straight,with many swinging one way or the other depending on their degree of sexual attraction and some swinging both ways due to the lack of overriding sexual attraction in either direction.

    Ultimately, it takes time to realize one's true sexual orientation in a society where homosexuality is generally considered to be different or wrong.
     
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    I think I was born with an attraction to both genders. Although, like a lot of people, there weren't any signs of it until I got into my early teens. I alway was a bit of a tomboy, though. I HATED dolls with an intense passion. I much preferred running around outside, especially if it involved getting myself either soaking wet from puddles or covered in mud or what have you... which was quite easy to manage as there was a pond behind our house at the time. :lol:
     
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    well I cant give a definate answer but I remeber as a kid when i used to go with my mom and get my sister from school, i would sit in the car and look at all the other kids go by i was about to say to my mom "mom why do the guys look cuter then the girls?" but for some reasons I never did even tho I didnt think that would be gay back then since I was like 10.
     
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    idk, i think i was born bi. i remember when i was in like k-2 grades i always was nervous around girls/boys bc i like them.
     
  18. Mystic Me

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    I don't think i was born gay because i had gf and crushes on girls befor but then around third grade i meet this boy that WOOF! :grin: thats when everything changed...
     
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    Yes, I feel I was, but due to being brought up in a very religious household, I feel that I was expected to like girls, and I went through a bi phase for a while, but then I stopped doing what others were expecting of me.
     
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    I'm brought up in a straight environment and I *did* expect myself to like girls...


    ...but then I found out that I have the feelings towards men and woman as well. :grin: