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To people who suffer from "HOCD"

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by HAStings12, Aug 12, 2019.

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  1. HAStings12

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    I want to make this thread because when I was 15 I convinced myself that I had this "Disorder" and it was a dark time in my life. Very very dark and there was not a day in the last 6-7 years of my life that I did not think about my sexuality, right now Iam happy to say iam Bisexual but in reality none of this really matters because sexuality should not define who you are.

    HOCD is just another word for internalized homophobia, obsessing about your sexuality is definetly not healthy and if you find yourself doing this then you should probably talk to someone about it or seek professional help.

    The reason I was in denial was due to my upbringing, I was homophobic growing up and not to sure why, I guess its just kinda my character, once I hit puberity I just wanted to fit into society, I guess I was mentally weak or was just never knew that the most important thing in life was just to be yourself and content with what life has given you, I had alot of psychological issues growing up in secondary school and I dont want to get into them and have seen professional help about and will probably going again soon, Iam 21, still finding myself and once you realize how simple life really is none of this really matters.

    HOCD Is not real, why would someone seek reassurance from a disorder, why would a disorder give someone fake comfort, probably not the best analogy but imagine someone feeling comfortable with having actual OCD, no one is comfortable with that kind of stuff they just learn to live it and live their life in their own circumstances.

    Think about how stupid HOCD really is, fear of being gay? I have read alot of what people with "HOCD" say and it all just seems like serious denial, they type too much, if you like it you like it, you may feel shame but you cant change who you are, you just cant its literally impossible, if you get aroused by homosexual thoughts, thats fine and I get it, its scary for some people depending on their circumstances in life, being young and realising this stuff is hard and scary, depending on your environment but please talk to someone about this stuff because I didn't until a few months ago and I feel so much better, in reality no one cares, if you have a religious upbringing with family that dont understand what it means to be gay or bi that can make it just as hard aswell.

    Its hard I get it but dont lock it up, I have been depressed for so many years about my sexuality and well once I talked to my friends about it and my therapist, I finally just dont care, well Iam in the process and pretty much just so close to fully accepting it, I still have alot of issues with my mental health I need to sort out but just remember its not a big deal, your sexuality does not define who you are as a person, its just how you were born, thats it, it is not a big deal, if you cant accept it then talk to someone about it that you trust.

    Its okay to be scared, its okay to be anxious, its okay to be depressed, because that all just makes us human, but whats not okay is not doing anything about it because what is going to happen is your just gonna dig yourself into a hole.

    This is just my personal experience, I used HOCD because it gave me false comfort, but why should a disorder give someone false comfort? makes no sense really, and I guess this isnt just for people who say they suffer from HOCD, its just denial in general, just dont do it, solve your problems before they grow..

    Lifes to short to be worrying about shit like that, just be yourself and thats it really. Sexuality is scary but it should not define who you are.

    Kinda wish the past me was given this life advice.
     
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    I want to be cautious here:

    HOCD does not exist as a standalone disorder. Nobody has constant obsessive, intrusive thoughts with compulsions to constantly check, over and over, if one is gay... but without any other similar obesssions or compulsive intrusive thoughts.

    That said, there are a skyrocketing number of new diagnoses of OCD, which is characterized by extremely disruptive, intrusive and uncontrollable thoughts, or uncontrollable desires to act out in repetitive behaviors. A common example is locking and unlocking doors over and over, flipping light switches on and off, not stepping on cracks... but in a way where there is deep, uncontrollable anxiety if these behaviors are not carried through. Now... some people have, in addition to the previously listed compulsive behaviors, a compulsive desire to test if one is gay, for example to watch gay porn and masturbate to it, even though there's zero arousal or attraction. Or an uncontrollable urge for a guy to constantly check to see if he is aroused after seeing a cute guy on the street (when there's zero evidence of this having ever happened.)

    So IF one happens to have OCD, and IF that OCD happens to manifest as, among other things, a fixation on sexual orientation, then one can have an OCD that includes, as part of a bigger picture, a focus on whether or not s/he is gay.

    But that is the *only* way in which the HOCD label is accurately used. And even there, it clearly isn't "HOCD"; it's OCD that happens to include concern about homosexuality.. We don't refer to "locking locks OCD" or "not stepping on cracks OCD", and thus we don't have "homosexual OCD".

    What the OP is talking about is a bogus diagnosis brought to you by the asswipes on the religiious right, who use it as a phony form of denial that one is actually gay.

    Don't confuse the two. They're nothing alike.
     
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    Thank you for posting this.
     
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    Hi, I was diagnosed with OCD and recently posted an article. Does this type of OCD not exist as I have been going through this for years
     
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    OCD certainly exists. HOCD as a standalone disorder does not, any more than "locking locks OCD" or "not stepping on cracks OCD" or "flipping light switches OCD" exist as separate disorders.

    So most commonly, what you see is someone with the collection of symptoms consistent with OCD, of which an obsessive focus on sexual orientation is one manifestation.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    I see what you are saying that OCD is a disorder but just depends on what type. I am in a very dark place at the moment and constantly think of receiving anal sex or kissing a man every waking minute to the point where is cripples me and leave me upset. My day is overwhelmed by these thoughts. I kiss walls to imagine a man to see how I feel, I bend over to imagine a guy doing it to me, I role play on my own in certain positions to see how I feel, I see every man whether it be young, old and feel the urge when near them to kiss them and this happens every day of my life. I can’t remember the last time I smiled . I have been with my girlfriend for 10 years now and she is seeing me hit a really dark place at the moment and she doesn’t know what to do to help and neither do I to be honest.
     
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    What you're describing sounds like it is severely impacting your life in a negative way. Have you seen a therapist to discuss this? This is clearly a situation that requires a formal diagnosis and probably a combination of therapy and medication.
     
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    Big time Chip I have been referred back to CBT, I can’t go on like this it is is physically draining me and mentally exhausting I don’t know what to believe, am gay, bi, straight, nuts, mental, denial
     
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    Arrgh. You're in the UK, which separates 'psychologists' from 'CBT therapists'. I understand your frustration. It sounds like you need more than simple CBT. You probably also need medication, at least to start.

    You won't be able to get a clear answer on your sexual orientation until you first get the OCD under control. So that's going to be the first thing. I'd talk to your CBT therapist and discuss what options you have, and whether you can get a referral for evaluation by a psychiatrist. That would seem like a sensible step.
     
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    Thanks Chip. Once I get myself OCD under control but how would I get clear answer on my sexual orientation.
     
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    Once the OCD is truly under control, your entire perception and view of the world will change. You'll be able to look at situations more objectively. And so things like sexual orientation, that are the source of incredible stress and anxiety now, will simply become a whole lot clearer.
     
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    Hi Chip thank you for the prompt response. I went to CBT for this about 6 years ago and all my rituals and compulsions stopped and was a very happy individual with my girlfriend but for some weird reason 7 months ago when we were going through buying a house I began to feel bad again. I mean I know I enjoy sex with women I get aroused would a gay man be able to get and erection with a woman?

    I read one of your recent replies to a post from someone in here stating that they were scared to go out and try it because they might like it but I have said this before and you mentioned that is classed as denial.

    The constant sexual thoughts I go through everyday I am trying to find some level of disgust but because I think about this every minute of the day it has left me having break downs, depressed, anxious I don’t is that denial also.

    I mean aren’t gay people repulsed about the idea of sex with a women and shouldn’t it be the opposite for straight men.

    Thanks Chip
     
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    First, re-read what I said above. You won't be able to make any sense of anything, apply any logic, or get any sort of sensible answer unless and until you get the OCD under control. It's completely pointless to try and explore the sexuality issue meaningfully until you do so.

    Generally, no. A few may loudly protest that they find it gross, but for the most part it's just "Meh, that does nothing for me."

    But again... don't try to make sense of any of this until you've dealt with the OCD. It will just be an exercise in frustration for you that won't lead you anywhere.
     
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    Thanks Chip when I went to CBT last time and the thoughts calmed down and my compulsions stopped I was able to enjoy my life not questioning at all and enjoying loving time with my girlfriend. Yes I am going to go back to CBT but do you think I could be possibly gay with all that you have read so far. I mean I can see a guy and think he is good looking but then would question if that was attraction and then because of these graphic thoughts I get is that then related to sexual attraction. My girlfriend knows all about this but very scared about potentially ruining her life. I am not sure if you are gay but ca gay men get aroused when in bed with women. Thanks for all your responses
     
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    This isn't a question that can be meaningfully answered until you get the OCD under control.
     
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    But I don’t think I am ever going to get my answer 100% just constantly question and analyse. I get aroused when with my girlfriend and enjoying doing things sexual with her. I analyse what every bit of what we do in bed and try and reverse when she is giving me oral to imagine what’s it like to see if I get a response
     
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    If you solve the OCD problem, you'll solve the constant questioning and analysis. That's a byproduct of the thought disorder.
     
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    Okay but are you saying it’s possible to he be Gay and have OCD of being gay
     
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    Again, you can't get a meaningful answer to the question until you resolve the OCD issue.
     
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    OP: Just to answer your question on whether gay men can be aroused by a woman. Yes. I have two children to prove it. I'm still gay.
    But listen to Chip. He's right. You need to get the OCD under control first.
     
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