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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Miaplacidus, Sep 27, 2007.

  1. Miaplacidus

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    I was so bored that I didn't have anything better to do than writing this... a poor attempt at writing a philosophic/logic text.



    The Connection between Gay People and the Existence of God
    by Frederick aka Miaplacidus


    God created all things.
    God is a rational being, and perfect by definition.

    So, God likes all the things in the universe, because if he didn't like something, he wouldn't have created it (it wouldn't have been rational to do so). There cannot be any accidental creations because God is perfect.

    * * * * *​

    God likes all things in the universe.
    There are gay people in the universe.

    Therefore, God likes gay people, because if he didn't like them, they wouldn't exist.

    * * * * *
    Let's deny that thesis:

    God doesn't like gay people.
    God is almighty; he can get rid of anything he doesn't like, which implies that whatever he doesn't like stops existing.

    So, either:

    1) God likes gay people, because they are still here.

    -or-​

    2) God doesn't like gay people, but they are still here; therefore he isn't almighty. And if God isn't almighty, then he isn't God because God is almighty by definition, and then God as we know the concept doesn't exist.

    Doing a little housekeeping:

    If God doesn't like gay people, then he isn't almighty, then he isn't God, then God doesn't exist.

    -or-​

    If God doesn't like gay people, then he didn't create gay people, then he didn't create all things in the universe, then he isn't God, then God doesn't exist.

    The reversed statements are also valid:

    God exists, then he is almighty, then he has to like gay people (due to the reasons above)

    -or-​

    God exists, then he created all things in the universe, then he created gay people, then he likes gay people (due to the reasons above)

    So, in conclusion:

    God can exist if and only if he likes gay people.

    -or-​

    It is necessary and sufficient condition for the existence of God to be possible that he likes gay people.

    I assumed that God exists in order to produce the text, without having proof of it; therefore, in order to remove that bias from the conclusion, I had to modify it in such a way that the reciprocal statement didn't confirm the existence of God, talking about the possibility of it happening instead.




    I'm going slightly mad....................
     
  2. Ilayis

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    interesting
     
  3. Kimi

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    Well, I don't believe in god...:dry:

    But very interesting writing.
     
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    Religious people who condemn homosexuality would probably say that God created humans as flawed beings (on purpose) and that they must fight and live by certain principles in order to achieve eternal grace ...... but I'm not religious and I have no idea what I'm talking about :roflmao:

    But your argumentation is interesting...:icon_wink
     
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    I like arguments like that. I use them against evangelicals.

    Keeping a points tally is good. Basically, if any preacher calls me out and tries to convert me, I argue back, and if they make statements such as 'God works in mysterious ways', I know I've got them, and I score a point :slight_smile:
     
  6. ALieToDieFor

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    very.
    Although I know this and talk about it all the time...
    I have never put it on paper.
     
  7. Levi

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    Very well written.
    It's easier if you don't :icon_wink
     
  8. Ty

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    i dont believe in god..when i did i was unhappy
     
  9. pirateninja

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    I'm not really religious, but that does seem to make a lot of sense.
     
  10. rorotherara

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    ftw, Conditional statements.
    8]
    Interesting article
     
  11. Nicknikko

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    same here
     
  12. Level N Human

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    Might an evangelist respond by saying: "God created free will." and then "Homosexuality is a choice."?
     
  13. Miaplacidus

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    I don't believe in God either :wink:

    Well, this is applicable for most things considered bad, too...
     
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    Unfortunately there's one major flaw in your argument. No Christian/catholic etc has ever claimed that god hates gay people. They only claim that god hates the actions of gay people. Similar to how god hates the actions of a murderer, but still loves the person.

    This implies that sexuality is choice, however. Which just highlights the close-mindedness of the Christian, not their god.
     
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    Again, if he hated those actions, he would prevent us from doing them (following the concept of God as a rational being, as he is superior to humans, so he has to be rational or something above that). And if he can't, he is not almighty, therefore he isn't God. Plus, God is perfect by definition, so his creations can't be flawed unless he wanted it to be so; and it would be against reason to include flaws in humans he didn't want there for some unknown purpose.

    There is also another solution. The contemplative God. In that case, God just observes the universe without actually participating in anything (that is, he is contemplative). However, if that is so, we don't have to care about God because no matter what we do, it won't matter to him.
     
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    But then you're saying God would stop all crime, and the world we live in would be perfect?
     
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    Indeed.

    In my personal opinion, there is no God - maybe a supernatural being, but no God (as the concept of God implies that he is perfect, almighty, etc.)
     
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    Oh I see. I thought you were trying to prove that God loves homosexuals, rather than God exists :slight_smile:
     
  19. Miaplacidus

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    I was just trying to prove that if God doesn't love homosexuals he can't exist, and its reciprocal statement.

    But, again, in my opinion, there is no God as commonly defined, and if there is, he is contemplative.
     
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    Nice. A proof on God loving gays.