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Racism in the LGBTQ+ community...

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by I'mStillStanding, Dec 17, 2018.

  1. Lgbtqpride

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    I see gays hating on lesbian.
     
  2. I'mStillStanding

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    That and the opposite is also an issue in my local community.
     
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    And bisexual hate transexual
     
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    It's not just the LGBT community. It's also the straight community. It's everywhere. It also goes in both directions.

    White people sometimes say no to non-white people, either directly or indirectly, when looking to date, hook up, or find a significant other. I've not known many gay and bi men and women and how they go about dating. That's because they're not looking or they're with someone. I've known quite a few straight women and they talk about what they're looking for. I've known some Asian women and Hispanic women and Middle Eastern women who have no interest in dating their own men and they put that out there. What does that say about them? And what about men of those backgrounds who feel the same way when the tables are turned?

    This has been going on for a long time and will continue to exist. I've only seen it get slightly better. The media is showing us less and less lighter skinned white people as normative role models so that's a start. It requires a paradigm shift and that's not an easy thing to bring about.
     
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    It’s not just in our community for sure, but we should strive to do better. As a group who faces discrimination, you’d think we would want to make sure we don’t do the exact same thing. Especially to our own community.

    I do want to stress we all have preferences, but we have to admit that they are influenced by our society and environment.

    This phrase just makes cringe honestly... I understand what you’re saying, just here in the south i hear it all the time about people sticking with “their own kind!” Even today my grandmother said that and I was like I don’t know he’s fine, he’s my kind of guy! Of course this didn’t go over well, but hey what’s a boy to do...
     
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    Well I feel that I have experienced some sort of discriminaton on "hook up apps." I mean the guy would ask for pic(mostly this has happened from White/Anglo gay or bi guys), and I would send it to them. And without any comment, I would get blocked. Granted, I'm not a muscular/White cisgender bi or gay guy or White in general. I am a non-White Hispanic(Mexican American), mostly masculine/bi curious male. I mean without any comment sometimes I get blocked for any pic I would send to some guys...either I get "Your not my type..." and get a block. I mean what the fuck.
     
  7. I'mStillStanding

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    I hate that! I definitely hate blocks. Someone told me they do it because they can get another guy in your place, I was like and that’s suppose to make me feel what? Disposable!
     
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    Yes.

    Yes.

    I've heard the caustic comments going in both directions. I don't know how this supports the notion of a "community" where the simple idea of why can't we all get along is in effect. Easier said than done.
     
  9. I'mStillStanding

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    I know there are tons of reasons and motives behind it (the distain between the L and the G)! But one that sticks out here where I’m at is sexual practices. The guys feel the women are trying to maintain heteronormative relationships with monogamy and are very critical of anyone who chooses to not conform to that type of relationship. And the women feel the guys are very promiscuous which looks bad on the entire community and because the guys make someone who wants a monogamous relationship feel they are less than in the community. This is actually the points from a conversation had at a local LGBTQ+ meeting.
     
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    I've heard that criticism of the guys. The criticisms I've heard more going in both directions have to do with mannerisms and external things. I don't make any comments. I just sit there and be a sponge and let all these observations soak in.
     
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    I think some gay man are woman-hater.
     
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    The app is built in a way where you're forced to block people often. The free version only displays about 100 guys at a time, so once you've looked at or talked to those 100 the only way to get more than a handful of new ones to show up is to start blocking them, because then it takes the 10 you blocked and replaces them with 10 new people you'd never have seen otherwise.

    So if you already know you aren't into someone, at that point not blocking them just causes them to waste one of your 100 spots forever, but if you do block them a new person you might actually be into will appear. Most blocks are out of necessity not anything personal. It sucks when someone blocks instantly after a pic is sent, they should at least say something or wait a while, but for people who use the apps often they've blocked so many hundreds of people they just don't care anymore and want a new person to show up as fast as possible.
     
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    @Tightrope I try my best not to vocalize my opinion! Honest...

    @Lgbtqpride yea that would be one of the other reasons for sure. There is a whole list of them for all the different prejudices and such.

    @Destin I totally get that. I just don’t have the heart to block someone. Unless they are being stalkerish. But I wasn’t just using the app for hook ups, I honestly used it to make some really good friends. Also in my area there isn’t that many guys, trust me! I just opened it (first time in weeks now I’m getting messages grrrr didn’t think that through) and the the last five slots are over 40 miles away (which of course is more like 50 to 60 driving miles since I’m not a giant walking a straight line lol) and yea I’m not spending an hour or more in the car for a hookup lol. If I lived in an area with more people I’d be like... ok, still sucks but there are tons of guys out there they need to reject. It’s just not the case here.
     
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    I mean I've been chatting off and on since about Oct 2018 with a guy named Nathan I met on an app. I mean he's gay and he knows I'm a bit curious and stuff, and we exchanged pics and stuff. Anyway, he and I texted off online through text messages and Facebook messenger. Nathan is white and he's cool, and he didn't judge me or my pics....

    I mean uptight cisgender White guy(gay or bi or whatever) some would block me whenever I would send a pics(non XXX or XXX), they determine if you are a fit. I mean sort of like the bar/club bouncer.
     
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    This! And the worst ones ain’t that cute to be that picky!

    There’s this one guy in my area, he was so rude to me, and I was upfront and honest about myself. Pics and all so it’s not like he didn’t know how I looked, literally when we hooked up was wearing what I was wearing in the pics he got! I was taken back by it, the worst part is I didn’t just tell him to f*** off! It’s like he said what I thought about myself so I just took it... he was the last guy I hung out with actually... been nearly a year! It’s crazy to me because my brain just doesn’t work like that. If I’m not interested, I do everything I can to let the person do gently! Like why is being friends bad? I don’t get it!

    Sounds like you guys have been chatting a while (you and this Nathan)... can I ask, why have y’all met up for coffee or something?
     
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    I have the Subscription service for my app and Nathan lives in a diff city than me. I can't snap my fingers and see him tomorrow, but I do talk to him. He talks to me on FB now instead of the app.
     
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    Not to be mean, but what do you expect from an application filled with people who are not interested in anything but primal urges? I see this pattern so often talking to others in this community... If you want someone who cares about you more than just reaching orgasm, you are clearly looking in the wrong place. You are a replaceable piece of meat on apps like that, as it was designed. Go on a website that allows you to date instead of engaging in meaningless sex from the words biggest congregation of STD's.

    I see this first hand, and is one of the items that points out a problem in lumping so many different groups together. From my experience, there is few groups with less in common than lesbians and gays. The only unifying aspect is they are both a sexual preference minority. I will say that I agree mostly with the (biological) women on this subject. (sorry MTF females, you have more unsafe sex than anyone, and it shows in the HIV statistics)

    "Transgender women are the fastest-growing population of HIV-positive people in the country....Transgender women of color are at an even greater risk for HIV infection than their white peers. The NIH study noted that African-American and Latina transgender women had the highest infection rates; among those transgender women of color surveyed, more than 56% of black trans women were HIV-positive, and Latina trans women had an HIV infection rate of 16%."
    https://www.hivplusmag.com/case-stu...men-why-transgender-women-are-hit-so-hard-hiv

    The gay community lost most of a generation because of unsafe sexual degeneracy in the 80's, and it seems like we won't learn from our mistakes. A lot of the of the structures that criticize the promiscuous lifestyles being lived by the LGBT community are based around the fact that the gay and trans community have become a venereal cesspool, and everyone alive in the 80's heard/saw gay men dropping like flies continually because they were too lazy or stupid to use a condom even after they knew they were spreading a deadly disease. How you get the community to realize they are harming not only their body's, but the entire community reputation?
     
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    Yes condoms are a must! Just want to get that out first.

    My area doesn’t have a large gay community, so blocking someone isn’t going to bring someone up who is with (in my opinion) a reasonable radius. I mean I have guys more than forty miles away. I also want to say again, my comments are very specific to those who state on their profile they are looking for friends and networking (not just hook ups). There is no reason looks should interfere with those things.

    You can’t expect generations who didn’t live through the AIDS crisis and was never really taught anything on it to understand its impact. I felt like I was informed before I came out, but since I’ve realized how lacking I was on the subject. We aren’t taught sex education in school or at home, so how do you expect people to know that condoms are a must? I mean I was, so I knew the importance. But most aren’t. Most people (straight) even use condoms solely to prevent pregnancies and don’t consider STI’s or HIV. Why would the gay community be any different? I mean without education.

    Knowing the stats of those at high risk is a great tool to identify where focus needs to go in education and support. But it also provides people with reasons to be judge mental towards those groups. We all have to do better when we are using information and remember we aren’t talking about numbers, we are talking about people and their lives.

    I disagree on the statement STI’s and HIV is what motivates the hate for the community. It’s the excuse, the justification people (straight and gay) use to make themselves feel better about hating other people. The gay community was targeted way before the 80’s (AIDS epidemic started) and it had nothing to do with these issues. Some people just hate us!

    There is behavior in the community that makes me think, why? Why would you put yourself at such a risk. Then I think of how many times I’ve heard in the last three years I’m gonna end up with AIDS and die, and I can understand why someone may believe it’s an inescapable thing even though it’s not.

    And words like cesspool, lazy, and stupid really aren’t going to contribute in a discussion on any of these issues (racism, HIV, discrimination in LGBTQ+, etc.) in any positive way. They can be very provocative and distract from the point.
     
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    I am sorry if I misunderstood that you were talking specifically about people who stated they were interested in networking or frienship. In that case, I agree that if it is based on race that it is a problem.

    What I have noticed more often than not (especially having lived my life in mostly conservative areas) that it more likely ties to ideology rather than race if you provide a lot of information on your description. There is a massive difference in ideology in this country right now, and the fact is that Caucasians are likely to be conservative or libertarian whereas minorities are likely to be liberal, socialist, or communist. It is not likely for a conservative person who believes in being responsible for their own actions to respect someone who believes that people are not capable of being responsible for themselves and must be guided through life like sheeple reliant on the government.

    For example, if I am looking for business connections on a site and the person states that they are a communist/socialist, there is no value talking to them as they see me as an entrepreneur as evil for wanting to reap the financially fruits from my own work. They also clearly do not understand economics.

    The other issue is that a lot of people (Caucasians especially) don’t believe in identarian politics, and would rather not talk to anyone over hearing a racist diatribe about how all whites are evil if they are not an SJW. If you had something eluding to social justice in your profile, I would block you as its not even productive to have a conversation as you can’t use logic to change an illogical though process.

    I think this highlights the difference in ideologies perfect. It is the concept of personal responsibility vs believing the government has to train you on every subject and be responsible for you. I grew up in a 95%+ Conservative population that we did not have any LGBT sex education at all, and had only heterosexual abstinence based education. Condoms were not shown how to be used. Before I began engaging in sex, I spent the time to research how to be safe. With the internet today, that is incredibly easy. Even children in the ghettos of the US have access to the internet, and most have cellphones. It is not the governments responsibility to teach you.

    Its interesting that you say that you knew... Why exactly was that? Did you take the personal responsibility to ensure your safety as all humans should be expected to do?

    I hate to use this quote, but facts don't care about your feelings. It is a direct fact confirming the LGBT community is not acting in a manner it should. Instead of blaming it on education, how about taking responsibility that the LGBT culture that has been created is unacceptable in terms of sexual health... Look at the way LGBT people present themselves in parades. Its completely inappropriate to be in public in ass-less leather chaps if your straight, but it is expected to be celebrated in an LGBT "pride" march? A culture of drugs and promiscuity is to blame for it, going back before the 1980's.

    I would say that being LGBT and engaged to a guy that the absolute lack of self control to take responsibility for their own actions and health is the biggest thing that disgust me about the community. When I was single it was depressing to see how 95% of gay dating websites are nothing besides casual sex/std portals filled with people not interested in relationships, and many specifically asking for bareback which is basically asking if you want to get HIV at this point.

    I will say this:

    If you are going to put the effort into meeting someone and having sex with them and you do not spend the effort on protecting yourself, you are either:
    A.) Lazy
    B.) Stupid

    Until our society starts calling out this type of behavior, re-instills the understanding that you are responsible for yourself and your own actions, and damaging behavior will be called as such, we have stunted our growth as a society.

    LGBT has the highest STD rate of any group in the US, which given our nations already disgusting number of STD rates in the US it would undoubtedly qualify for being called a cesspool. Feminazis has tried to wage war on “slut shaming” in the last decade, but they don’t seem to realize that the reason that society frowns on being a slut is that it is not safe and more than likely your going to end up with at least one STD in short time. We in the LGBT community need to shame those spreading diseases within our community too. It is not inclusive or kind to support this damaging degeneracy in our community.
     
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    I hate to say this, I’ve never had to on EC because it’s not social media, but I don’t do the back and forth. It’s fruitless. No one ever changes their minds and everyone just gets frustrated. So I’m afraid this will be my last reply in regard to these comments.

    I’m a deomcratic socialist. Gasp! Shocking I know! The biggest problem I have is, that rather than sitting down and actually looking at the facts and data (when it comes to politics and economics) most people want to just use half truths or even straight out lies as to why it’s such an evil thing. It’s disappointing, because the more successful our neighbors are the more successful our whole community is. Now I will say, it’s hard for me to invest in new relationships with conservatives. Especially in this climate, but I try and not let it be an automatic no! I try and give everyone a chance until there is clear evidence that our moral ideology doesn’t line up (it’s not about politics it’s about morals).

    My mom, she raised us teaching us abstinence is the way to go. But if we were gonna have sex we need to to tell her so we could get condoms. She wanted us safe. I was fortunate. Not everyone has that, and not everyone will go out looking for information.

    Slut shaming is unacceptable. It’s not about protecting people or health concerns. It’s about oppression. White straight men can do what ever they want (generally speaking) and have. They are celebrated when they have slept with numerous women... womanizer, ladies man, rock star! It’s like a badge of honor. Still today they are given slaps on the hand for sexual assaults and violence (if even that) because “a drunken night should not ruin a young college students life!” (Actual statement from recent case of sexual assault case). Now if you’re not a white straight male (or don’t praise them and try and conform to their views) you aren’t allowed to be sexual. It’s a bad thing if you are at all. Let’s call a spade, a spade here! It’s not about morality and sexual health. It’s about homophobia and a deep rooted shame of sexual expression, wrapped in a grab for power!