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No choice but to live a lie

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Jamie1975, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Weston

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    Ashley should just get over itself. Why shouldn't you sneak a peak when the opportunity arises? It's a commonplace that straight men routinely check each other out in the showers, at the urinals, etc., if only to see how they "measure up." Just don't be too obvious about it and you'll be fine.
     
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    Hi Weston

    His comment has really knocked me back. I was starting to come to terms with my sexuality and talking about it.

    Now not sure if I should
    xx
     
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    You don't need to crawl back anywhere. Written communication can sometimes be the hardest to get right and with emotions rolled into things, it can be even harder.

    Keep writing here because getting it off your chest can only improve things. And know also that a lot of us go through a phase where what we are doing or thinking about might be construed as creepy but, in fact, are not. It's just that we should have been experiencing these things when we were teenagers when this behaviour normally happens.

    I think a big problem with discovering whether or not you're gay or bi or ... boils down to whether you are attracted to the same sex for the purposes of sex (ok, love too) but there are all these other "hints" and "clues", while illuminating, can also cause confusion because taken in isolation wouldn't be out of the ordinary for a straight person, either.
     
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    No no, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It's good to express them. I think it's more important you find out why you feel wrong when you have sex with a man, but you internal have desire for it. You know what I mean. I guess it all comes to how we bond emotionally to someone that is also physical that may help define our orientation

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    People, I didn't want to come off offensive, I'm just not a strong supporter of invasion of privacy, and taking a pissing in a public place , we should all have our right not to be stared at. It' can be offensive, and is rude. Just my opinion though.

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    Sorry, I mistook your original post by me saying that you feel bad when you have sex with a man. I think my real question I could ask in place to that is, have you ever physically been with man?
     
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    Weston, calling me an it, makes you equal to any other bigot out there.
     
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    Zeself? Hirself? You tell me.
     
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    I agree with 50ishandout

    Although it is hard. Just think about those steps, and contacting someone legal to talk to could set your fears to rest regarding custody.

    You express reservations about your appearance, but none of us are models! I'm sure you can find interest. And if it makes you feel better, you could start working out at a gym, which also could be a way to meet men?

    Your ex sounds like a terrible, controlling person. I am glad you are free from the situation. Is there any need for her to have keys to your place? Do you have keys to hers? I'm not sure how that works with joint custody and in case of emergencies, etc. But if you dont have keys to her place then it's fine for you to change your locks. You wouldn't even have to tell her you did it, right? You could just do it.

    I know that's easy for me to say sitting on my couch far away and not in your position, so I want to say you are brave for coming on here at all. Even typing out the thoughts we can't share with others is HUGE progress for most of us here, myself included. There are a lot of things people could be saying I should do on this site, but although I love and read and re-read every reply to my post, I also really love posting in the first place because it feels so liberating to have a place where we can talk about this at all.

    Please keep us up to date on how it goes. I'm glad you're out of that marriage. I'm glad you are free :slight_smile:
     
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    Hi Rachel

    I have spoken to C.A.B and they have said that she cant stop my access rights to my daughter even if I were to "come out" to her. They did however say that how she treats me is not covered by custody rights (which is obvious in some ways) so I could find myself facing even more verbal abuse than I currently do, when presently she doesn't know anything about my questioning of my own sexuality. They said that I might then have to consider having my daughter picked up by someone else on access weekends and that such verbal might also have an effect on her (my daughter) as well as me.

    Yes I do have keys to her house although I very rarely use them. The main reason we have them is in case we lock ourselves out, as neither of us have any family in the area who could be key holders instead. It isn't a big deal in itself as I have other concerns about bringing guys back to the flat anyhow but do feel it is another way of her controlling me in some ways, knowing that she could just walk in at any stage (not that she does !)

    Believe me I do realise how brave I have been to admit it, even to myself, that I may be bi-sexual but am not sure I can "risk" taking it any further. I am beginning to think I may need to keep it to myself forever more and maybe just have some casual experiences at men's saunas etc when I get a chance.

    I am already doing something about my weight and have already lost nearly 4 stone in 7 months although I still want to lose a lot (8 stone) more. Not even that will guarantee some attention from guys, but only time will tell !!

    Please do feel free to ask me anything you want to as it does help to talk about it

    Jamie
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    I get it, I was in shoes not so different from yours about 2 years ago. Living in the closet really sucks, but you have to weigh the risks of being caught by her against any actual harm she might do. Is your ex the kind of person who would falsely accuse you of child abuse or is she relatively sane/honest? That's pretty much the only serious trouble she could stir up, sure she can make noise and even bring social services around but in the end unless she has proof of something she can't touch you. Social services catches onto false -reporting pretty fast when your doing everything right so I Wouldn't let the risk keep me from being myself.

    Also think about your daughter, do you want her to learn about gay people by knowing what you tell her or do you want her to hear horrible things from her mom over the years before eventually finding out you're gay and having her understanding of who you are traumatized? There wasn't much choice for me cause my ex found my porn before she left but it was a choice to talk to my daughter about my lesbian friends who are having a baby and about things I do when I'm not around like things I do with friends or my boyfriend like the beach or whatever, setting the stage for her to meet my boyfriend, see how she responds a and what questions she asks etc. Point is she will grow up knowing gay is normal and boys can become girls because it prevents that from coming between us when she's older. My daughter is 4, yours is 5. In a few more years they won't look up to us the way they do now and if we don't teach them now Ii think we risk it creating an internal conflict for them
     
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    If I am honest I don't think she has the thought process to report me for child abuse as she doesn't seem to be that sort of person. And even if she did they would fast see that being gay or bi-sexual doesn't equate to being a child abuser. In some ways something like that could quite easily back fire on her due to some of her "issues" so don't think she would risk that kind of approach anyhow.

    Yeah I agree about kids growing up with the right kind of information and I have recently had that kind of conversation with her, when she was playing with her dolls. By saying that it is ok if a girl marries a girl and a boy a boy. She did seem a little confused by the conversation, but at least we had it !

    Like I say I don't know what the future holds but do feel I need to take one step at a time. Think coming on here and sharing my feelings was a good start and then have my trip to Benidorm in a few weeks, or am I wrong for wanting some casual experiences whilst out there?

    Jamie
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    NO — have a great time!
     
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    I second that! :eusa_danc
     
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    Well, things moved on a little today.

    My ex wife came over to dinner this afternoon as it was easier for her to collect our daughter to take her home.

    Not sure how we got onto the topic but it ended up as a jokey one over me wanting to date other people again and I somehow got into how I am not sure whether that would just be girls or possibly even guys, which is the truth, I am not sure at the moment.

    Not sure if my ex took it too seriously or if she even believed me, as it was quite a light hearted talk with her laughing a lot, but least it is out there now, so that if I ever wanted to come out in the future it wouldn't be a total surprise. Think she was thinking I was meaning I was gay but I explained there is also the term bi, which is where I think I am really, as I do find some men and some women attractive.

    Least now I can consider what I want for the future and take it from there.

    A big step in my eyes, hope people agree

    Jamie

    xxx