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Is he really Bi and does he love me?

Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by oraluxjack, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. Xvision

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    Hi Oraluxjack!

    I can truly relate to you.

    I think you might have an depression going on, I had suffered from depression in the past and the symptoms you have are very similar: Always being tired, Can't fall asleep, often waken from your sleep, Always overthinking, Won't eat much, .... .

    First of all, I think you should take very good care of your own health (mentally & physically), there is nothing more important than your health. Try to keep yourself calm, try not to think too much (or don't worry too much about him). Try to eat a whole meal and get some decent sleep. (and try to repeat this everyday)

    Second, have you ever asked him why he was asking you all these question? If he was straight and being gay or bisexual are not acceptable in your country. Then why is he taking so much risk talking about these subjects? Do you trust him (If the answer is yes, Do you think he would betray you? would he be trying to figure out your sexuality?

    I think you shouldn't be worried about this (the more you're into this, the easier it is for him to notice what your sexuality is.) and let him make the first move...

    Goodluck friend. (*hug*)
     
  2. oraluxjack

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    Thank you for your reply...
    Yes i guess that i can trust him, i am not 100% sure though but i think that he can be trusted.
    Also i am constantly taking care of myself, i feel a lot better now.
    Guys, just in case that i tell him that i am bi, how should i start it? What should i tell him and when will be the best moment for me to tell him?
    What if he becomes shocked? What if he never talks to me again?
    What should i do? Considering that i live in a country like russia so you know how the situation is but i have forgot to tell you something else. We both are raised up to 2 different europian countries where they all respect gay people and then we moved out to russia where we also met eachother. I have tried to not show as many details but i will tell you that we are from russia and that we have been born to different europian countries, then after 16 years we came back to russia. Anyways, we didnt know each other before, we have met each other just before a year or so thats why i am a little confident about him.
    thAnks in advance.
     
  3. oraluxjack

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    Guys, here is what i decided to do:
    I decided not to tell him about my sexual orientation and that i love him.
    Why?
    1. Im not sure if he has the same feelings as me.
    2. Here in Russia people would beat me if they learned something.
    3. I am afraid i might loose him.
    it kills me so much inside to be with him and he never knowing what my feelings are but i dont have another choice unless he comes out first to me...
    Thanks everybody for your help.
     
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    Safety first. We are here to support your decision. Wishing you the vest, stay safe out there (*hug*)
     
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    Hey guys i want to ask you something.
    Maybe i will have a sleepover with him next week and we will probably sleep in the same bed, do you recommend me something to do to him while we are sleeping? Such as touching etc. I just want to pretend to be asleep and then see his reaction. I wonder if he will touch me back or things like that... Thanks
     
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    I wouldn't recommend doing anything like that. First of all, you need to respect his right to personal space and not being subject to harassment. Second, what if he gets wildly upset about it? How would you feel then if he didn't buy your explanation that you were asleep?
     
  7. oraluxjack

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    How isn't he going to buy it? I'm not going to touch his penis or something i'm not that crazy but i will just put my leg closer to him or things like that. If he says something then i will tell him i was asleep simple as that.
     
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    Obviously it's your call but what would his reaction exactly tell you? Just because he tolerates your leg touching him hardly proves anything.
     
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    So how did that go?

    I can completely understand why you are being cautious. You need to be in your circumstances. I read it as he's either (1) interested, and having lived somewhere more open is prepared to pursue you, carefully, or (2) suspicious and trying to lure you into an admission so that he can persecute or blackmail you.

    Regarding your job, is it in any field where it could be of use to people to compromise you some way, in order to blackmail you later? Be very careful not to be lured into saying or doing something in public/on camera/where you can be recorded/writing anything down.

    I think you're just going to have to go slowly on this - and use your instincts. Continue with the talks, gently sound each other out on LGBT issues. Maybe do some background research on him - social media etc. to see if he has any involvement in risky groups, or LGBT groups, perhaps in the country he was living before.

    Suggest a movie night and suggest a list of 3 films - 2 neutral ones and 1 like The Imitation Game. It is such a mainstream film that it would be unlikely to out you. Say your friends from x country told you it was really interesting and mention an interest in cryptography if you have to! If he picks the Imitation Game, then that's a hint, then watch it together... If he doesn't want to watch it this time, ask if you should keep the two films you've not seen on the list for future movie nights, or come back with a different selection next time.

    As for mental health - glad to hear you're improving. It's worth dealing with these things as someone else said. Also in a relationship (especially one with external pressures like living in 'Russia'), mental health problems do put a lot of strain on a relationship. However, it may be tricky to find a counsellor you can trust with your secret.
     
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    Thank you so much for your comment.
    I dont really know whether to tell him or not about watching the movies.
    He will ask me what are the movies about and then i will have to tell him that the movie is about a gay person. I dont know how he will take that. So this idea for the movies probably goes down. Right now i am kinda waiting for him to give me a hint that can make me understand something and he has given some basically but they are small ones.
    Anyways thanks for your ideas and support i appreciate it :icon_redf:icon_redf
     
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    Well The Imitation Game is not about a gay person exactly, it's about the Enigma Codebreaking effort during WWII, and Alan Turing the father of computing... who happened to be gay, and whose life was destroyed because bigots discovered he was gay.

    It's not like Brokeback Mountain, "two guys who fall in love" being the main thrust of that one.
     
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    Yeah, the Imitation game is a WWII movie. Turing's sexuality is very much a side story.
     
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    Hmm, well i will think of that and maybe i will put up that movie.
    Guys i had a sleepover at his place today and we were talking about ways we masturbate and things like that. He was making me questions like how often do you masturbate etc. I just want to know how to bring up the subject of jerking off together? I think he may like that as an idea because he has done it with other friends before but i just dont know how to tell him. I cant say like hey do you wanna jerk off together and things like that. Also i have tried to put up some porn and he seemed to watch it and like it but we never got to the point that actually started jerking off. What do you recommend me to do? I just dont wanna sound too gay about it.
     
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    Can you talk about sex more generally and see how he responds?
     
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    We talk about sex a lot and if i tell a story about me he will listen to it carefully and laugh and then he will start to tell a story too. We are really open regarding sex.
     
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    What do you mean? That you jerk off in the same room but each touching only themselves or you touching each others? There is tad difference in degree of intimacy and gayness between the two.

    Why not? Next time he asks about your masturbation habits tell him about some new technique that is so great. Then you could "jokingly" offer to show him. See how he responds and proceed or abort accordingly.

    I'm sorry to say this but wanking together is really quite gay no matter how you put it. You can try to come up with some excuse though. "I just want to learn from the expert" or something.
     
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    If you don't mind me asking, what kinds of things are you talking about regarding sex? Past experiences with women? Something else? I'm wondering if there's some way you can subtly mention something about guys to see how he reacts, without making it too obvious.
     
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    1. No, we have never really jerked off together thats what im trying to say. I wanna jerk off with him in the same room.

    2. I can possibly do that and i guess that even if he is 100% straight he wont have a problem if i ask him right? I just feel more confident because he has done it with other friends which he has told me.

    3. I dont have a problem whether it is gay or not, i just dont want to make him feel uncomfortable about it.

    What are the best ways to start off the fire? I mean what can i say to make the conversation start?

    Thanks for your time and help everybody.

    ---------- Post added 24th Mar 2016 at 03:47 PM ----------

    The funny thing is, that his past experiences are all regarding he and his old friend doing things together such as jerking off and talking about different sex related things with him.

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    cakepiecookie, forgot to mention.
    He has never had any girlfriend and he has never had any sexual relationship with girls.
     
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    Considering that he is bringing up this stuff on his own it might be just easiest to wait until he brings sex and masturbation up again and then lead the conversation into that direction. To be honest he really start sounding more and more gay the more you tell about him.
     
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    Okay, that sounds promising! Though of course you should still proceed with precaution - I think this guy is gay/bi, but it's possible to read situations wrong.

    Can you tell him you're feeling horny? Just casually, like "Damn, I've been so horny lately, it's driving me crazy!" Maybe he'll suggest doing something about it...