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Is Everyone Bisexual? (The Choice of Sexuality)

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  1. DreamerBoy17

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    I like that explanation a lot and I can relate to it. I always felt pressure to be in one category or another, either gay or straight. And while I am predominantly straight, I think I did deny myself a small but still present attraction to guys so I could fit into one box.

    Of course, my experience doesn't define everyone.
     
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    No, I don't think so. I have never met a girl I've found even remotely attractive before.
     
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    No. if everyone was bisexual then homosexual people would at least find some attraction in the opposite sex, and heterosexual vice versa, but this is not the case. Many people just cannot feel attraction to one sex.

    If i asked you to fall in love woth someone who was the opposite of eveything you're attracted to/preference, you're going to struggle aren't you? Because it's what you're hardwired to be attracted to.
     
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    This is something which is slightly debatable, but I'd agree with it mostly in essence because of how eloquently you put it. It does explain a lot in just one sentence

    I'd say it is sketchy. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:. IMHO I disagree. I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything. And I might be wrong in my interpretation of what you said. Feel free to correct me if so.

    But it sounds like you are saying that people are Bisexual, but simply don't give into their homosexual or heterosexual feelings, given their interest. You explained that in the previous paragraph.

    But by saying that due to benefit, convenience and societal norms, those who are actually bisexual ignore their homosexual/heterosexual impulses and act Homosexual/Heterosexual. I don't think that is all true. Because I find your Bisexual theory to be flawed.

    In my opinion bisexuality means you can equal amounts of affinity for both genders OR it can mean that your impulse or affinity towards a particular gender is dormant when compared to the other gender. But the affinity and ability is the same.

    Heterosexuality and Homosexuality on the other hand means that your affinity towards homosexuals and heterosexuals is respective and firm.

    I'm a guy. I'm gay. I like guys. I have affinity for guys. I have sexual feelings towards guys. I have romantic feeling towards guys. I find guys attractive. I find guys hot. But I don't find girls hot or attractive or have any sexual tendencies towards girls because I have no affinity or desire towards them.

    I might be biased or something. But I don't believe in something like Bisexual with preference for guys or Bisexual with preference for girls. It sounds confusing.

    Hence my problem with your concept of fluidity.

    Again, I might be totally wrong. This is just my opinion. Feel free to correct me and/or educate me. I'm all for it.
     
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    While people are debating, I just want to say
    I'm totally secure in my homosexuality (always want to say that :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: )
     
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    Good thinking. I can explain a bit further. I don't mean that bisexual is an appropriate label for everyone. It's probably only appropriate for some 5% or something in our society (and if we're talking when we lived in caves and stuff then labels aren't relevant anyway).

    I guess if I would tweak the question to "Do everyone have a potential for bisexual behavior?" it would go from 5% to 90% or something. Or "Is bisexuality applicable to all people?". Then it would also go up. That's rather how I thought of the question, and thereafter explored it in terms of concentration, or fractions or whatever you'd like to call it.

    One thing I disagree with you here is that bisexuals can't have a preference. Actually, in my experience, it's less common for bisexuals not to have a preference. I seem to have a quite big preference for men, for example. That doesn't mean I'm straight, though, since I do have attraction toward women, as well.

    ---------- Post added 9th Jan 2016 at 07:15 PM ----------

    As you should be. :slight_smile:
     
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    No, everyone is not bisexual. With that being said, sexuality can be fluid for a lot of people and a lot of people may have same-sex (or opposite-sex) fantasies, they may open up to a different sex through experimentation, schools, or prison. However, there are also a number of people who never will. Kinsey himself reported that around 10% of people are kinsey 0 or 6. Yes, this is a minority but It's not impossible.

    Furthermore, there is no good reason why a homosexual would even need or want to deny their heterosexual desires if they existed. My experience as a lesbian is that we are told that they have to take cock constantly by people of all sexualities, straight or bi in order for us to keep our humanity. The rape culture for lesbians is very high, including coercion and pressure from both sides. We are forced to like men and dick and shamed/attacked for daring to say no. We struggle to find our true sexuality in a society where cock is worshipped and forced down our throats, where female/female relationships are not "real" and only experimentation for men. So even being a lesbian is difficult and is the LEAST likely conditioned sexuality since there is no support for us, almost all lesbians think they like men at first since It's SAFER to. It takes an immense amount of courage to realize that they don't. I cannot speak for gay men, but I assume It's no different especially in societies where they would get killed or jailed for it.

    And what about other statistics? 97% of killers/rapists are men, so do female criminals not exist? I'm NOT saying that sexuality is the same as crime, but it does remind me a lot of how victims of female rapists are told that the 'rape never happened', 'they're lying', 'the criminal shouldn't be jailed" since "only men can be rapists" due to statistics. It's one thing to follow a statistic, and another to force it on everyone.

    One last thing, I find that people who say people can't be 100% gay, and only 99% are focusing too much on the fact that almost everyone finds both genders good looking. This is not bisexuality. I can admit my sister looks attractive in a dress, but I don't consider myself 1% incestous. I think shoes can look attractive, but I don't consider myself a 1% foot fetishist. Words have meanings, and the 100 percentage adds up if you only want sex with one gender and not both.
     
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    Some might go so far as to call me a "militant bisexual." Hell, I certainly wish everyone was bisexual. But tough luck, the world isn't perfect.


    Sure if you really expand the definitions of sexual orientation you can maybe get to the statement "a lot of people are more bisexual than they think." But in terms of being able to be happy, for the rest of their lives, with a partner of the same/opposite sex, the question "Is everyone bisexual?" is simply absurd.
     
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    I think folks should quit trying to label other people's sexuality period. Also, quit quoting the Kinsey stuff like it's some kind of gospel.
     
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    I think... people are generally incapable of interpreting their sexuality with complete accuracy. Let's have the kinsey scale fuck off for a second and start over from scratch. I'm building a new scale to demonstrate the hypothetical complexity of sexuality as a spectrum, we'll call it the kageshiro scale. My scale goes from 0-100 with 0 meaning 100% straight, and 100 meaning 100% gay. EVERY single number, every decimal point in between, is bisexual, meaning you could be 99.9% gay, so much that you arent even conciously aware of that .1% of straightness and yet that .1% of is as real and as much a part of you as every last .1% of gayness in that 99.9%

    You are bisexual. effectively gay, and technically bisexual. Thats my theory. We have 2 sexualities... our interpreted sexuality, and our true sexuality.

    Try a more realistic number, say 87.5%, that could be my number, it could be any one of ours. Bisexual, misinterpreted as gay. I'm gonna guesstimate... people within the 80-100% ratio, tend to mistakenly identify as gay. People within 40-60% are "kinsey bi" (50 = kinsey 3) and 0-20% are "straight" of course. My 30 and 70 percenters even account for those of us who are perpetually confused at where they fall on the kinsey scale, neither feeling gay nor bi or straight, nessicarily.

    Ultimately this all bullshit and I'm clearly making shit up as I go along but I think it serves to show that sexuality could be more complicated than we realize..
    Im not saying kinseys wrong, his scale works fine for most, and I'm not saying everyone is bi. Just that the number of people who are gay or straight in the sense that they are 100% attracted to men or women, is much, much smaller than we seem to think.
     
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    I highly doubt it. While people might be a little more flexible than they like to think they are (think about all those stories you hear about the otherwise straight guy who's having trouble understanding while he's attracted to a male friend or so on), I think most people have pretty concrete sexualities and even in the case of those rare same or opposite sex attractions they may have, it's not enough to qualify them as a bisexual.

    On the other hand, I'd like to think bisexuality is a little more common than we're lead to believe. A lot of bisexual people may simply identify as straight or gay because they feel like their attractions to one gender are much stronger than the other.

    But there's plenty of people who will never, ever face attraction to one gender and so we can't discount their experiences.

    To talk a little about myself, I've actually waffled with how to label my sexuality for years. There was a time, years before I transitioned and knew I was transgender at all, that I called myself lesbian. This was back when I had a girlfriend and back before I really wanted to acknowledge I was attracted to men at all. I had previously come out as bisexual but my mother, girlfriend, and a lot of other people discounted the whole concept of bisexuality so I felt a lot of pressure to "decide" on something. Since I was dating a girl and felt like I was masculine/butch (after all, someone who wanted to be a man had to just be butch, right? That was my logic), voila.

    Years later, when I came out as transgender to myself, I also began questioning my sexuality. And for a time, I even labeled myself as gay because I realized my attraction to men and how strong it was (I had always been attracted to men but again, dating a girl. Just refer to my porn habits at the time). But when I got a little more comfortable with myself and who I was, I finally started acknowledging I was bisexual and that it was okay to call myself that.
     
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    You are effectively erasing homosexuality.
     
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    No. I am bisexual, but I don't think everyone can be or feel the same way about their attractions. My cousin is totally a gay dude and when we go out his eyes are all about other men. I think sexuality is just a biological your born that way thing.
     
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    No, just no i really dont believe that.
     
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    I am fairly sure that every single person that identifies as anything but bisexual will pretty much always answer that question with no which is a fairly strong sign that only people who are bisexual are actually bisexual and everyone else is either straight, gay or asexual...

    I know that it can be hard to imagine that people can experience the world differently but it is fairly clear that many of us feel absolutely no form of sexual attraction to either men or women or both. It reminds me of that time when my brother told me that everyone is really bisexual, I laughed and said that no, I am most definitely not bisexual. A few minutes later I asked my other brother with a smile if he is bi and not really surprisingly he said no because it turns out that he is also not bi and we moved on to talk about other things... sometimes there are no twists in the story and the answer is simply no. (Ok, it did turn out that I am trans and a lesbian and that is technically kind of a big twist! :astonished:)
     
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    Well anyway theres one thing I want to add onto my above post. The only sexuality that's relevant in a relationship or anything is the one you "effectively" are. The other is nothing more than a curiosity I'm exploring.
     
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    Or they might em... be right, I say we give billions of people the benefit of the doubt in this case! Eventhough they do tend to be wrong about many many things... incidently enough it did turn out that the world was round. :icon_bigg
     
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    No. My hearts with the boys. :slight_smile:
     
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    No.

    I guess it depends what you count as bisexual.

    "Bisexual
    bʌɪˈsɛksjʊəl,-ʃʊəl/Submit
    adjective
    adjective: bisexual
    1.
    sexually attracted to both men and women.
    synonyms: ambisexual;

    2.
    BIOLOGY
    having characteristics of both sexes.
    synonyms: hermaphrodite, hermaphroditic;

    noun
    noun: bisexual; plural noun: bisexuals
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    a person who is sexually attracted to both men and women"

    Now if we take this last definition into account, and say that's what we're basing it on then no, I don't think everyone is bisexual.

    Sure, everyone can see if someone is attractive, but that doesn't necessarily mean they feel turned on/physically attracted to it.

    You can look at someone and think "damn that's a nice vest, what a sense of style, I wish I had hair like that but it wouldn't suit me"

    and you can then look at someone else and think "damn, they are perfection, marry me and we can sail away on a river in the sunset together and kiss under the moonlight".

    :grin: You see me point though hopefully.

    The view of "everyone is bisexual" is a rather toxic one at best. I used to hear this one a lot and it was always something I'd hang on to, with a sort of "well if everyone feels this way I can ignore my homosexual feelings and carry on with my life like everyone else" sort of mindset. That didn't happen as my feelings didn't just magically go away, it became a part of me I hated, something I wanted to "cut out" of my life.

    I've met plenty of straight girls who are simply perplexed at the idea of me finding other women attractive, as they can't see how that kind of thing could be attractive. I see straight girls asking how boobs can be attractive, they just are dammit. I don't know, I just find them to be. But that kind of thing is hard to explain to others, you either feel that way about it, or you don't.

    I can't say I've ever felt physically attracted to a guy before. Usually when I see some shirtless guy I tend to feel indifferent about it. Never really had a crush on a guy either, nor felt the urge to kiss one. I do sometimes feel jealous when I see a bunch of girls falling over some guy's feet though. :icon_redf

    But hey, that's just me. I might fall in love with a guy one day, and my feelings may change, but I doubt it. And if that happens, I'll change my label. But for now, (and possibly ever) I'm happy with my identity. :slight_smile:
     
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    I've been wondering myself if some (not all, SOME) people with single-sex attractions feel that way because they've been conditioned by society to think that it's either/or.
    Y'know, that they are supposed to like only one gender. Or that it's maybe an adverse reaction to being pushed too hard to like one or the other gender.
    OF course, what you think and how you feel are two different things, but still. It would be interesting to hear what psychologists would have to say about it.

    I can respect that some people are 100% gay or straight, but I will never be able to understand it. And that's why I think it's totally okay to ask questions like this.
    After all, aren't we here to learn?


    I find it annoying that so many people go "no, that's homophobic"
    It's not homophobic. It's CURIOUSTY. It's a valid question.
    Stop being so overly politically correct, people.