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If Hilary is the nominee...

That would be fabulous! (!) (!) (!)

 

Many independents hate her. She would lose the election for us.

She's on the verge of being indicted, and it's becoming more and more likely that she will be indicted. Her paid speeches. The way she reacted to the BLM protester (Bernie allowed the protesters to have the mic several months ago). The fact that she takes all the money she can from Wall Street. Her lack of consistency in beliefs. She used to be very against gay marriage. When asked about her evolving views on the issue, she refused to acknowledge that she was ever against it. Instead, she said the interviewer was misleading her quotes and didn't accept her past words for what they were. She also brings up the fact that she's a woman in practically every debate, and emphasizes being the first female president. She's pandering to female voters by using her sex as a scapegoat. She doesn't care about the interest of women. She only cares about the interest of her Wall Street investors.

And her polls continue to drop. She's almost at a point where TRUMP and the other two top GOP candidates are WINNING when you match them up with her 1 to 1. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that beats all GOP candidates (and by wide margins). Only 5% of Americans polled consider her trustworthy. And the majority of Clinton supporters simply vote for her because they think she can win. Well, she can't. Independents don't like her. Republicans sure as hell will be out voting against her if she gets the nomination. And many Democrats are starting to realize just what she is doing to the Democratic Party.


Why do you like Hillary? What do you see in her? I've honestly seen NO reason to support her.

 

Look you don't have to be mad at me! I know Hilary is a lying sack of shit but I know she's gonna be the next president. Trust me! I know what you say about the polls but I think it's a little too early to decide by the polls. I think all she needs to do is get all the undecided voters and tell them to vote for her because she's a woman and with the fact that she's already got a bunch of electoral votes.

The problem is I think it's really too early for any of you guys to decide who will be the next president. I hear so many different people talking about who will be the next president and who won't be but I think we should just wait until August to really be worrying about this.

 

I'm not mad at you. I'm just really, really curious as to why people see any real reason to support her! And this is not directed specifically at you, this is pretty much directed to all Clinton supporters.

I don't think you see the problem here. She won't be able to get any new voters with her current record. She's on the verge of being indicted because of her emails which contained highly classified information on a private server. Add that to all her connections with Wall Street and flip-flopping, you end up with one pretty unelectable candidate.

Even if the FBI says she's in the clear, it may still be too late to redeem herself after all the other issues she's been through. The emails brought them all to attention, and voters are not going to forget this when they step into the poll booths on November 8th.

I'd rather have her as president than any GOP candidate, but I really don't think she's the one who will be able to take the White House. We need someone who can get independent voters, and young voters, out to support the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders is the only one who can do that.

 

Look okay I don't like Bernie sanders because he is a total socialist! I know I know you can all say he's a democratic socialist but it's the same thing. I don't want a socialist in office. Hilary isn't a socialist. I know she's a lying bitch but I do believe she will do some good things. I'm not really crazy about any of the republican candidates but the ones I can tolerate won't make it in to office. I mean honestly I don't really like any of the candidates but I guess with all of my views Hilary matches most of them.

 

What dont you like about socialism?


Just wondering...

 

I just think it will fail the country and make it more corrupt.

 

Why do you think that? What about socialism, in particular, makes you think it would further corrupt the USA?

 

I feel like socialism is just one step under communism and that is not a society I want to live in.

 

Do you know what socialism and communism are?

 

2 things that shouldn't exist!

 

Bernie beliefs align pretty well with the Democratic Party. He's a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, but he's nowhere near radical enough to be a total socialist. His beliefs are pretty much the same as those of countries like France, Germany, and Denmark. Socialism in a mild form isn't a bad thing.

Besides, Bernie is at least an honest person who seeks the best interest of the people.

 

You could have just said no :rolle:

Maybe it would be a good idea for you to look in to socialism and communism at some point so at least you will know, in the future, what you are arguing against?

To give a brief definition of both:

Socialism: A system where the means of production are owned by the workers. Capitalism is still in the process of being eradicated.
Communism: The means of production and all things are owned by the community as a whole. Capitalism is eradicated.
(!)BONUS IDEOLOGY(!): Social democracy (Bernie Sanders claims to be a social democrat): A system whereby the ruling body attempts to temper the worst things about capitalism in favour of social justice.

If you have any questions, at any time, please feel free to come and talk to me Thanks for listening.

 

Uh, I don't live in the US and therefore I don't talk to other Americans in real life, so I might be missing something here. But I do like politics and I think Hillary is still the best choice if the Dems want to keep the White House. I won't debate who would be the best president, because I don't have the tools to make such a claim, but, in an electoral perspective, here's why Hillary should be the nominee, in my opinion:

1) She's got the party on her side
All that Bernie talk about grassroots movement is sweet and all, but you need party structure, governors, senators etc supporting you to win a presidential election. Hillary got most of these tools with her.

2) She seems to be better at making political alliances, she's a moderate
Okay, so she doesn't enthusiast the voters and can't make them really fall in love with her. But I believe she's better than Bernie at making concessions and arrangements with the big guys and, as much as you may not like that, that's pretty damn important.

3)Bernie is better than her at general polls because people don't know him
Now, how many voters knew who this politician from Vermont was in 2014, or even in the summer of 2015? Hillary has been First Lady for 8 years and served in the Obama administration, she's obviously much more famous and therefore much more rejected. If Bernie gets the nomination, expect his rejection rate to increase rapidly. because things will come out, they always do.

4) She's seem as Obama's rightful successor
Well, it's true this President is not widely popular, but his rates aren't terrible either, so I think he will bring a positive impact campaigning for her.

5) Her e-mails won't matter that much
People will be paying more attention to each candidate's proposals rather than petty scandals. They'd rather have someone a bit sketchy but with proposals they agree with serving as the next President.

6) She's a woman
Yeah, yeah... Stupid, I know. But people are often attracted to new things and events. Hillary will get some extra points for that.

 

This.

 

1. She's got the party on her side because she's making so much money. Companies are funding her because she's their safest bet to keep their pockets safe. I know this term is very overused by now, but she really is the "establishment".

2. Granted, but Bernie was an independent for almost all his time in the Senate. The only reason he changed to Democrat was so he can run on a ticket that can actually win. He's a moderate too as far as any political party is concerned. Sure he's pretty liberal, but the fact that he can win so many elections in a row as an independent is a pretty good sign he knows how to negotiate and make good decisions.

3. I'll bite and say I didn't know Bernie before 2014. I was actually very much rooting for Elizabeth Warren to run, but she didn't so I was back to being undecided. When I discovered Bernie's growing support, and began to learn more about him, I discovered just how good he is. He works well with Elizabeth Warren in the Senate. He has challenged both parties, because he votes based on principle. I figured if I loved Elizabeth Warren, then I would love Bernie Sanders.

4. I don't know if this is a good enough reason. Almost any Democrat can be a good successor for Obama, as long as this person doesn't plan on undoing all or most of the policies that Obama put in place (and Bernie doesn't plan to). Obama ran against Clinton. He somehow managed to win. He offered her a position as Secretary of State. Offering cabinet positions to your opponents is a pretty common thing to do when you win office and have won against a popular candidate. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see what makes her a better successor than anyone other Democrat.

5. That really depends. It seems increasingly more likely that Clinton would be indicted. If she gets indicted, I highly doubt people are going to be enthusiastic enough to get out and vote from her. Independents who don't want a Republican would either vote third party or not at all. I find it hard to believe the general public would overlook criminal charges for someone running for president.

6. And this is something you're unfortunately right about. She will get extra points for simply being a woman. Funny thing though, Bernie Sanders would be the first non-Christian president and he hasn't said a single thing to emphasize the fact that he would be the first non-Christian president. It's almost like he thinks it doesn't matter, which is true.

 

Well said, Skaros. It's either Bernie or Kasich for me. Still making my mind up. I have 5 days.

 

I will be generally disappointed in the Democrats.

Since I live in Montana, my vote doesn't matter. I'll likely be voting either for the Green party or a socialist candidate.

 

Look, if you're working as whatever, let's say a plumber, and the value of what you produce equals $50/hour, what's most fair - that you get the fifty bucks, or that a dictator, called a "boss", makes up a lot of arbitrary rules for you, gives you $8, and tells you to be grateful? Fucking obviously the first. So why is socialism, AT LEAST as an idea, a bad one? You have not given this a singe measly thought. Don't think only with your emotions, use your old CPU sometimes as well. Your only basis now is "I live in a society where this certain idea isn't liked, therefore I hate it!" That's not how you make progress.