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How long roughly can the process of transitioning take and how do I know I 100% want this?

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  1. CharlieLuca

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    Hi.
    I am pretty pretty sure I want to transition FtM. It just feels right you know? Like I feel like I need to do this to be at better peace with myself but like how can I be really really sure because obviously once one has completed the transition there's no going back.

    I do know there are lots of steps of the process of transitioning but how long do the steps altogether roughly take?

    And also, and no worries if no one wants to answer- I understand this is a bit personal so sorry for asking.... But how much does the surgery hurt? Like I do want it, I really do, but I'm not good with pain.

    And I'm sorry, I understand these are quite personal questions so I do understand if no one wants to answer.
     
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    Depending on what you want, it can take weeks, months, or years.

    Let's start with easier, quicker, and more reversible steps. This means going by a different name or pronouns, wearing different clothes, cutting your hair, possibly coming out to the people you know.

    Next is the less irreversible steps, and the one you've heard of many times: hormone therapy. Going on hormones have some irreversible effects (voice change, body hair, bottom growth) and some reversible (fat redistribution) effects. Take note that the effects have hormones take years to develop, much like cis people going through puberty. It can take years for you to grow a beard, much like how a cis man can't grow a beard until he's in his 30s. Sometimes it doesn't take that long. Everyone's different. This also applies to hair loss as well.

    And arguably the most irreversible: surgery. Many people get top/bottom surgery after they take hormones. Also, you're given an anesthetic during surgery to knock you out so you don't feel any pain while they do the work! Surgery is also a multi-step process that can take up to months or years, depending on what you're getting and possible complications. Surgery isn't done in an instant; there are revisions, check ups, etc.

    And this all leads me to my final point: transitioning is a lifelong process. Not only does it involve what I mentioned before, but it involves changing your IDs, social security, possibly birth certificates... Many legal issues also come up with this. This isn't meant to scare you or anything, but transitioning isn't a "stop and done" thing. Transitioning isn't going from hormones to surgery, and then you're done. Every day feels like a little bit of progress, and gradually you feel like yourself. There's no "set" moment when you're finished and there's nothing left to do.

    This is just my two cents.
     
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    meltyblood had some good things to say.

    The process takes a long time and there are quite of few checks on the way to reduce the chance of regret. Regret is much rarer than many make it out to be and there are a lot of people who are hurt more by all the gate-keeping. Also, there are people who have gone all the way thru getting top and bottom surgery and then detransitioned (rare but it can be done though going back to exactly where you were prior cannot happen). I detransitioned twice due to pressure from significant others, family and society (I SERIOUSLY regret submitting to those horrible people in my life now and wish that I had just cut them out and moved on with living as my true self).

    It depends on a lot of factors. Where you are and what access you have to care (this even varies within a single country). How much money you have (if you can spend all that you want you can go very quickly within private healthcare). Exactly what you want: some only socially transition with no medical so only paperwork. Some only take hormones and socially transition. Some only have one or two surgeries while others get quite a few. I think the fastest that I have heard of is about a year for someone with a LOT of money. I on the other hand started in 1986 and have not yet had vaginoplasty though I have lived full time as a woman since 2006 (legal ID change in 2007).
    Last I heard in the UK it takes about a year to get the process started and during that there are no permanent changes. After starting hormones you can stop them and many effects revert like body fat distribution. Once your voice deepens though that is permanent without surgery on your vocal cords (last I heard there were two surgeons in South Korea who would do that). Facial hair that develops is also permanent without laser/electrolysis. If you take full hormones for an extended period of time then some surgery is necessary (minimum of orchiectomy for M2F and radical hysterectomy for F2M)

    This depends on which surgery and each person, I have had a number of surgeries (most not transition related) and some were only annoying while others were really bad. Everyone feels pain differently. As mentioned above while the surgery actually happens you feel nothing. The recovery time and pain depends on the surgery. Top surgery is less invasive and the trans guys who I have known who did it were more uncomfortable than in serious pain during healing. Bottom surgery is more invasive and takes longer but everyone who I have know who had it stated that it was easily worth it.
     
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    Thank you meltyblood and QuietPeace. I appreciate your help very much.
     
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    Changes from hormones start to be visible after a few months and it depends on the person how long it will take you to pass, but typically all changes happen in about 2 years. Most people manage to change their ID etc. and get top surgery during this time, as hormoes are doing their job.

    As for not regrertting it, I have no clue. I feel like you always take a risk of regretting serious decisions like that. A ton of things can go wrong, after all. Psychologists doing trans diagnoses ask questions about things that would typically lead to regret, like how you actually feel about your body and if you don't feel distressed about it, you might regret changing it, or if you feel nonbinary or are too unlike the gender you want to transition to, however, it isn't set in stone that it works this way, so these questions are more for self-reflection. One thing I would look out for is unrealistic expectations, they seem to be a common point for regret and problems many people who transition face. For example, relying on transition to fix your bad mood and it might turn out it helped a bit, but it was not all there was to it. Or having unrealistic expectations what it means to be perceived as a man or a woman or expecting that you wouldn't have to take hormones for the rest of your life or not being fully aware of the infertility.
     
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    Thank you so much Miheal. All your support is really appreciated.

    I think you're right and I think maybe I do have slightly unrealistic expectations. Like I have this vision that me transitioning FtM is like somehow going to fix everything but realistically it probably won't. :/

    Tbh I think I'm just going to try work on myself some more for the moment, take my time working out what I want and who I want to be. Though I definitely feel like I'd benefit from a physcologist or someone who specialises in Gender identity etc because I really think I need some more advice and help figuring out what I want. I mean EC is great and helpful but I just think I want more help than just here if that makes sense?
     
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    I don't mean that you have to have unrealistic expectations. I said this because you asked how to be sure if this is the right choice. Sorry if I misread it. But yes, unrealistic expectation are pretty common.
     
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  8. CharlieLuca

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    Aw no please don't worry. It wasn't your fault at all, it just helped me realise.
     
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    I have a question. I am quite a masculine woman, with more hair on my body, than it’s normal to have, since I have more testosterone in my body, than normal. If I decide to take hormones, then does it affect the hair growth and does it become more intense? What are the side effects? I know nothing about this. Sorry to just butt in with this question. I just suddenly imagined myself with thick hair all over, after reading this topic. I don’t know why. You are allowed to laugh. I laughed at myself after imagining it.
     
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    Yup. Side effects ... wrt body hair - obviosly, looking otherwise like a man :grin: And wrt looking like a man... infertility, possible ovarian and uterus cancer plus all the usual stuff associated with taking medications, probably, like liver problems.
     
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    Yeah it’s obvious, that it makes you look more like a man, but just wow. There are also history with cancer in my family, so there are a lot of things to consider.
     
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    And I don’t mind interfility, since I don’t want to give birth ever anyway, so it wouldn’t be a problem, there are also other ways to have children, if I should want them.
     
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    Charile, it is your life and your body, but in your case, from what you have described of your mental health and history, I would very, very, very strongly suggest that you put the idea of transitioning on the shelf and go to therapy for 6 months to explore the underlying feelings. There are some individuals who think they are trans but what they are experiencing is actually a trauma response, and they get in this mindset that if they transition, it will magically make everything right for them. This nearly always turns out disastrously for them, especially since (depending on what you do and how far along the path you get) it is largely irreversible.

    If you invest the time in therapy, on the plus side, you might discover that you aren't trans, and you'll save yourself a whole lot of heartache, hassle, expense, and difficulty. On the minus side, if you get out of therapy and have affirmed that you are, in fact, trans, you have a pretty good insurance policy (assuming you had a competent therapist) that you aren't likely to regret your decision.
     
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    I mean, I say cancer, but it's more like malfunction of the ovaries and the uterus, I suppose. If ovaries malfunction, they can become lumps of cysts, and if you don't menstruate, the uterus lining can become pafhological. It doesn't depend on family history or cancer. And it's the reason why it's advised to anyone going on HRT to get surgery to remove these organs. So... that's pretty serious. And unfortunately, it's frequent among persons on HRT.
     
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    Oh, okay. Thanks for explaining.
     
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    Just so people know, it works in a similar way for those assigned male at birth who get HRT, the testes should be removed (which is a lot less invasive and easier to do). I had to wait almost 30 years because insurance refused to pay until I was diagnosed with a precancerous condition.
     
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    Thank you, Chip. I appreciate that. And I think tbh you may be right. Like and not just because of what you said but I'm kind of unsure if I am actually trans and like you say I just feel like it will make everything right for me.

    Reading your message was insightful and kinda like a warning... But in a good way. So thank you Chip, I appreciate it. :slight_smile:
     
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    Well, in terms of mental health, I would say transition is just one aspect of it. A fraction. If you need it and transition, it gets better, but there are also things like the need to be independent financially, childhood attatchment issues / healthy relationships, self-regulation, how you feel about really anything in your life...
     
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    Thank you @Mihael, and I definitely see that there are pros, and cons regarding transitioning.

    Tbh every post I read the further and further I go down the route of thinking maybe I'm not transgender, maybe I'm just so aargh at how my life is I'd do anything to just have a fresh start. And like @Chip kinda said, I do want that magic wand to make everything better which is probably not going to happen...
     
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    And in terms of happiness, generally, too.