LGBT News #GiveElsaAGirlfriend has an anti-movement now

Zen fix · May 17, 2016

I have young daughters who adore the characters in Frozen. I'm not averse to them being exposed to an age appropriate depiction of a loving gay relationship but I think if Disney makes a firm stance on Elsa's sexuality it will ruin the story. They will just appear to be shoehorning in a trait that does nothing for the character or the story.

Spartan 117 · May 17, 2016

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Honestly, I'd prefer her single.
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I haven't watched it, but I think it's refreshing to have her single. A change of pace from all the other sappy endings.
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I agree!

However, I think the campaign is really just trying to get Disney to feature an openly LGBT character in any one of their movies. Which I think would be fun. Actually, I think it would be a pretty groundbreaking event.

thepandaboss · May 17, 2016

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*The big issue being to actually put homosexuality on an equivalent level to the morally turpitudinous acts of murder, attempted murder, animal cruelty, theft, robbery, witchcraft and sorcery, exploitation.
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Wait, we want to be lumped in with all of that? Because that's the impression I'm getting. In an age where homosexuality is no longer demonized in the same manner as say, animal cruelty and is fairly well embraced in the right area, why do we want to associate ourselves with debauchery? Is it out of some misplaced sense of wanting to be rebels? Then why do we fight for equal rights instead of superior rights? It seems to me that instead of fighting for equality we should fight for superiority:

Homosexuals don't reproduce the same way heterosexual couples do, which is a favor to the economy. We're typically more aesthetic, have better sensibilities and are more in touch with our feelings. Many homosexuals are wealthier than heterosexuals and have a higher quality of life. Many of us have achieved a higher level of education than most because of our fiscal responsibility. And while I argue against perceiving dead people who probably weren't gay as such, many gay people are successful artists, musicians and intellectuals. So instead of fighting for equality, we should fight for superiority, don't you agree? It's like that segregation thread, I don't see being treated better as a bad thing, I see it as an advantage, and right now we're at war with the heteronorm, which means we should take every edge we have to fight for superiority. Does any of this make sense? We shouldn't lump ourselves in with thieves and serial killers, we should put ourselves on pedestals that separate us from savages.
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Since when does being queer make you or anyone else on here morally superior? That's half the problem with our community. We play the game of who's the better queer, who can be more queer than the other- frankly, that's a divisive mentality.

I've met horrible, unethical people who happened to be queer, I've also known plenty of amazing, brave queer people as well. And being queer wasn't a precursor to their ethics, to their behavior.

Also...I dunno if being queer makes you a better artist or creative type, as an aside. Have you been on Deviant Art or Tumblr lately? There's a lot of shitty queer artists on there.

Benway · May 18, 2016

thepandaboss said: ↑

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Wait, we want to be lumped in with all of that? Because that's the impression I'm getting. In an age where homosexuality is no longer demonized in the same manner as say, animal cruelty and is fairly well embraced in the right area, why do we want to associate ourselves with debauchery? Is it out of some misplaced sense of wanting to be rebels? Then why do we fight for equal rights instead of superior rights? It seems to me that instead of fighting for equality we should fight for superiority:

Homosexuals don't reproduce the same way heterosexual couples do, which is a favor to the economy. We're typically more aesthetic, have better sensibilities and are more in touch with our feelings. Many homosexuals are wealthier than heterosexuals and have a higher quality of life. Many of us have achieved a higher level of education than most because of our fiscal responsibility. And while I argue against perceiving dead people who probably weren't gay as such, many gay people are successful artists, musicians and intellectuals. So instead of fighting for equality, we should fight for superiority, don't you agree? It's like that segregation thread, I don't see being treated better as a bad thing, I see it as an advantage, and right now we're at war with the heteronorm, which means we should take every edge we have to fight for superiority. Does any of this make sense? We shouldn't lump ourselves in with thieves and serial killers, we should put ourselves on pedestals that separate us from savages.
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Since when does being queer make you or anyone else on here morally superior? That's half the problem with our community. We play the game of who's the better queer, who can be more queer than the other- frankly, that's a divisive mentality.

I've met horrible, unethical people who happened to be queer, I've also known plenty of amazing, brave queer people as well. And being queer wasn't a precursor to their ethics, to their behavior.

Also...I dunno if being queer makes you a better artist or creative type, as an aside. Have you been on Deviant Art or Tumblr lately? There's a lot of shitty queer artists on there.
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See, I'm just pitching examples around. The most profoundly disturbing individual I ever met in my life was a sick, twisted queer who left me emotionally crippled through years of psychological manipulation and emotional abuse, not to mention some sort of hypnosis I believe he used to convert me into what I am now. I don't believe I was born gay, I believe that this individual I knew forged me a new sexuality to his liking for only one reason: because he could. He knew it would leave me crippled, but I'm alive and I resent not just him but the entire gay community for it. So don't misconstrue my words when I say that we should fight for superior rights. I'm pitching ideas. I'm not the same as all of you, born gay. I wasn't born gay, I was forced to be homosexual through years of emotional abuse, psychological manipulation and posthypnotic suggestion. I'm an outsider in an already outsider community.

RainDreamer · May 18, 2016

Can't tell if whatever was going on is sarcastic or not, but I feel like there are personal issues that need to be resolved here.

KnucklesNation · May 18, 2016

I've already explained my thoughts on this in the "What are you thinking" thread so I won't get back into it. I think whether you're for it or against it, to make a big deal about it is pretty lame. This is a CARTOON character after all.

A Mindful Wolf · May 18, 2016

Why does she need a love interest?

thepandaboss · May 18, 2016

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Why does she need a love interest?
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All the other princesses do. If she's gonna have one, why couldn't it be a woman?

whizbang · May 19, 2016

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Franklin Graham, the son of Christian evangelist Billy Graham and CEO of his father's evangelical association, weighed in on the Elsa debate Monday, calling it an example of the country moving away from "Godly traditions.
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Good ol Frankie, the gift that keeps on giving.....

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