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A difficult homosexuality to live with

Discussion in 'General Support and Advice' started by shingo01, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. shingo01

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    I never thought that one day I was going to find out that I would prefer boys, even though I never had an interest in girls before, I didn't have one idea what it meant to be gay because that difference didn't never had a place in the society I grew up in. So I will list all the possible points that have a connection with my sexual orientation:



    1- The revelation:

    So I discovered my homosexuality not very long ago at the age of 18 and that through a pornographic video, even if I personally don't watch this kind of video but that's what allowed me to know my "true" sexual orientation. As if the universe was telling me: "don't you want to realize that you are gay?". I wasn't shocked, but I did feel a little weird. Until this day, I have never met a boy and I have never mentioned this subject to anyone else.



    2- the society I live in:

    I live in a country where being gay is punishable by a prison sentence, society radically rejects homosexuality, a very difficult subject to discuss even with those closest to you (especially if they are homophobic, like most cases) because even a gay is forced to submit to the traditional model, and the older you get the more the pressure is felt especially when you exceed a certain age. So it's a real dead end, I don't know how to live my life discreetly while concealing the doubts and suspicions of those around me and society, even if I intend to leave this country one day when I will have enough resources and go away from there, this pressure will still be felt, it's difficult to always hide this part of self.

    Personally, I will never be able to have the support of anyone, even from specialists, because I have already had experiences with them for other themes (such as depression, giftedness) but they did not never understood, so I have to hide my sexual orientation at the risk of being mocked, verbally abused or even physically abused, so I live in constant fear. I carry a very heavy weight, not only i am different from others but also I feel constantly threatened, it really hurts to feel that on a daily basis.

    This society that claims to be conservative and attached to its traditions, only romantic feelings between people of the same sex is considered against nature, as if hatred is completely natural and normal, a society blinded by many evils unfortunately.



    3- my vision of things:

    I can say that I am a conservative person even though I have plenty of faults and I always have to improve. Contrary to the environment in which I live, I am someone very tolerant and open-minded and I do not carry any hatred in my heart for anyone else, whatever their difference.

    I admit that religious texts undoubtedly condemn the practice of homosexuality (sodomy), but to the limit of my knowledge I have never seen a text that condemns two human beings of the same sex who love each other, but hypocrisy is to instrumentalize religious values so that they are compatible with the attitude and vision of society to homosexuality. I can't understand why loving a person of the same sex is considered a crime and why killing a human being or making a war is much less serious than genuine beautiful love.

    Why do I have to fight because of something that is part of my personality in the name of religious beliefs when I didn't even choose to be like that? why are we made to feel that we are always inferior, that we are excluded from the community until we "cure ourselves"?

    A heterosexual person is not entitled to impose his sexual orientation on other different people just because this difference may be repugnant to him and/or because the majority of people are.

    I like tea why do you impose coffee on me?

    I am vegetarian why should I eat meat?

    I like green why should i like yellow?

    I don’t have the right to love and be loved by another person just because they are of the same sex?



    3- I still feel like a child:

    I still feel like a child and I don't like the idea of growing up or leaving childhood behind and the older I get, the worse I feel about myself because my chronological age does not correspond to "my psychological age" . Moreover, I had difficulty accepting the physiological changes that occurred in adolescence even if I still feel like a boy, I specify: the modification of the voice, the hairiness in particular the facial hairiness, the widening of the thorax and shoulders, Adam's apple or even the first ejaculations.

    Also, at the time when I am writing these words, I have always kept my cuddly toy by my side since my childhood and I cannot separate myself from it. I admit, with some embarrassment of course, that I have been a diaper fetishist for several years now (I very rarely buy packages but discreetly).

    The paradox is that I am called a mature person in relation to my chronological age.

    I also specify that I prefer to have friends younger than me (say 15/16 years and more), on the contrary, I do not prefer to mix with people older than me although I do it, especially when I was younger I preferred to stay with adults. Even though basically I don't have real friendships and I've been isolated since childhood and my social interactions are very limited, or maybe my definition of friendship is much deeper than others. I don't know if this preference is related to my sexual orientation or something else. Now I'm in my early twenties, but in a few years I won't be able to make friends with people much younger than me.

    I also add that it is sometimes difficult for me to take on certain "adult" responsibilities and that in no case do I intend to become a father even if I was not gay and when someone one even imagines me becoming it I become very angry.



    4- the attacks/ harassment that I suffered:

    Although there are some causes of homosexuality, the various assaults I suffered probably influenced my sexual orientation, the first time I suffered this abuse dates back to my adolescence. I was 16, I was in a bookstore when a man started saying words to me like: "my love I love you" and he kissed me by force, I was very shocked that when i went home i locked myself in my room and i started crying. I also suffered from this same person but also from another man touching 2 years later. I was also hit on by several other people, all of them are strangers and each time I felt so disgusted. When I find myself face to face with a person even if I already know them, I'm afraid of being bullied.



    5- the person I want to meet:

    When I'm on the street or even on social media, I'm often physically attracted to boys (often 15+ teens but not past my age) but I don't feel a certain "spiritual connection", so it's just a physical attraction nothing more, even if the physical potentially has its place. In a way I am very worried about myself because I am very afraid of wanting to harass young people in the future and to reproduce the same scenarios that I suffered.

    Personally, I want to connect spiritually and emotionally with a boy and merge with him and form a single being, I often tell myself that there is indeed a compatible person but that our paths have not crossed yet, so it will be much more a reunion than a meeting. I'm very anxious not to be with the missing other part of myself, I don't want a relationship based exclusively on sexuality, although I may feel some sexual attraction.

    I want to meet another spirit that resembles mine, another me with a better version, but also a version that does not have all my faults and that completes me at the same time, that has several points in common at the same time and shares the same values and passions than mine, who wants to undertake many things with me, a person who pushes me even more to develop myself, a guide, a support, a refuge, a person who accepts me as I am, who listens to me and understands me, makes me feel at peace and safe, who also brings me full of love, unconditional love and who "takes care of me and protects me". How I would like this person to be present in my life because I feel so alone and I am so anxious, often I can not concentrate on certain things because I suffer from it. I failed to make solitude a means of personal fulfillment.



    6- A great need for tenderness:

    I always feel a very great need for hugs, kisses, a simple word like: "I love you", for someone to caress me or touch me. This thirst sometimes pushes me to take my pillow and hug it.

    In the evening, before closing my eyes, I always imagine that a boy next to me takes me in his arms, to feel the warmth of his body and to fall into a deep sleep and spend a peaceful night. I am often so anxious because there is this great void to fill and it hurts a lot to experience this lack on a daily basis. Sometimes I even have dreams the night a person gives me affection.



    After reading all these points, what I would like to have/know:


    1- get an analysis of my situation and get a point of view.

    2- Is my attraction to younger people normal? Can this attraction disappear over time?

    3- Is my desire to have younger friends related to my sexual orientation? can this desire disappear too?

    4- can I qualify as gay even if I do not intend to practice sodomy? Or is there a more appropriate term for me?

    5- can I meet this ideal person? If so, can I find her on specific dating sites with personality tests? Or is there another safer way?

    6- Are my expectations and demands too high?

    7- have some advice.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for reading my words, I look forward to your responses.

    I apologize if I was a little long.
     
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    1. First off, I can only imagine the level of pain and anxiety you've had to endure keeping this a secret in a culture as oppressive as the one you've described.

    2. Your infatuation with infancy and childhood is, to my mind, a regressive response to some kind of trauma. It's a defense mechanism. It's normal to recognize the beauty of youth, but as soon as that crosses over into the erotic... I think that if you deal with this infantilizing fantasy, these attractions will subside.

    3. I think it's an issue of delayed maturity due to trauma.

    4. You can be gay and celibate (by choice or circumstance).

    5. I can't help you here.

    6. In some ways your expectations show an understandable impatience with your circumstances, but acting on them in your current situation is reckless.

    7. I would suggest planning on leaving your home country. Even if you lose family, you will have yourself and you will have the freedom to be authentic.
     
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    I would say that in some ways you are still a child, despite your maturity level, at 18, you aren't that far removed from childhood. Scientific studies suggest that the brain does not reach full maturity until 25 or even 30. That coupled with abuse/trauma, it is not a surprise that you still feel an affinity for youth. I agree that it is fine as long as it doesn't cross over into the erotic.

    It has to be difficult to live in a homophobic culture. I know someone who left his native Libya because of it. His family does not know that he is gay or lives with his boyfriend. It might be best for you to leave, but that being said, even if you do leave you are under no obligation to physically be with other men. You can still think of yourself as gay, but have the ability to express it openly.

    Your expectations aren't necessarily too high or unreasonable. They may however change over time as you change or you may find that you need to readjust them.
     
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    shingo01.....Hello and a great big LGBTQIA+ welcome to Empty Closets! :old_smile: I can remember the first post that I made on EC. I was desperate for help and I got the help that night that I so needed. I hope that we can help you in the same way that I received help. The most important thing to remember about Empty Closets is that we do care about you! We're very glad that you found us here on EC and hope that we can answer questions, give you support and provide a place to vent (as long as it's not violent!) :old_big_grin: when that becomes necessary!

    *****There are 18 different sub-forums here that you can check out and join in the conversations or start your own thread/conversation. In particular you may want to check out the forum that is titled "Sexual Orientation”, there are people there who have dealt with some of the same kind of issues that could be challenging you.

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    *****Well, as I said, we're very glad you found us! :old_rolleyes: If you have any questions at all, you can post a question on my Profile Page or send me a Private Message.

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    shingo01.....I can see from your post that you are indeed in a very difficult position. I have a few suggestions for you. As I do not know your situation completely, I realize that some of these ideas may not be possible right now or even in the immediate future, but they are at least something to think about. 1) You need to leave Morocco for a Western "free" country that is not controlled by any religion as soon as you possibly can. 2) You need to understand that having a desire for younger MEN is fine, but you MUST restrict those desires to males that are legally adults. If you need to find adults that look a bit younger than they are, it's no problem, but they really must be adults. 3) As long as you are living in Morocco or any country that is controlled by a restrictive religious orientated government you are going to have to conceal your sexuality. This is a must for as long as you live there, which is why moving away is so important. I understand that moving away from the country of your birth and your family is hard to do for several reasons...but for you it is quite important. It is one of the only ways for you to really be safe. Now to the questions that you asked:

    1) I think I've already answered that
    2) Your attraction to younger people is fine as long as those people are actually adults.
    3) Your attraction to younger people - this is often called "your type", is not necessarily related to you sexual orientation. Some guys prefer others that are older than they are and some prefer someone in their approximate age range. It varies from person to person and preferring a younger person is not unusual. Again...as long as that person is legally an adult.
    4) If you are gay, you are gay, it has nothing to do with the way a person desires to, or actually has sex. There are many gay men who do not prefer penetrative sex, this is not overly unusual at all.
    5) There are many ways to meet people...but for now, for you...trying to meet someone in Morocco is highly dangerous. I can only make suggestions to you, you will have to make your own decisions. However, considering the potential penalties for being convicted of being a homosexual in Morocco, I would counsel you to be extremely careful in any situation where you could be identified as such. You could never tell for sure if someone you met in a bar (I don't even know if that is a thing in Morocco) was there to try and trick someone into exposing themselves. You can apply that to other situations that might be more applicable to Morocco as I really don't know how the social structure works where you live.
    6) I don't think that your expectations are necessarily too high, however they may need to be adjusted to coincide with reality in whatever society that you find yourself in. For instance, right now in Morocco, they are probably not realistic. But, if you were to move to a different country where there is more freedom, then things would be quite different.
    7) Hope I have give you some realistic advice!

    Please keep us updated on how this works for you. Remember, you are a part of our LGBTQ Family and we do care!
    .....David :gay _pride_flag:
     
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