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Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by Ron961, Feb 1, 2022.

  1. Ron961

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    Hello everyone,

    Just a message hoping you get your views and opinions on the matter. The situation is as follows:

    My fiancee and I are on a one-month break now. This is because I have always struggled with homosexual and bisexual thoughts but I have never really given into these thoughts (I did date casually with men now and then in the past, but now any more since I am with my current girlfriend.)
    She knows about my sexuality struggles and she knows that I am bisexual; but two weeks ago I told her that I might be gay- since I'm having gay urges and thoughts.
    Upon hearing this my fiancee suggested to explore these thoughts and start dating with men for a month to see if I would be happier with a man. I truly respect her bravery and the fact that she gives me freedom. The reason is that we both want to be sure that I make the right decision when standing on the altar in June this year.

    So currently I'm living elsewhere. Now the situation is that my girlfriend has a male colleague that is two years younger than I am, good looking and recently single. They had talked about going climbing together in the past (they both share this hobby, so do I), but due to corona measures this didn't really happen yet. Now this colleague lives in the same town as we do. My fiancee needs someone to speak to about the matter (she has one female friend that knows about our situation) and she and this colleague decided to go on a one-hour walk together to discuss our situation - not entirely in detail.. but still.

    Since this is a quite intimate subject, and since he's single I'm scared to death that they may develop feelings for each other. I wasn't too fond of the idea of them climbing together (which may be caused by my own insecurity or jealousy) but I was shocked when I heard she went on a walk.

    Am I exaggerating? What should I do/ say or how should I react? Currently I'm exploring my sexuality (even though I now kind of realise that I love her tremendously) but feel like going home as we speak.
     
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    Hi @Ron961

    I understand that this must be uncomfortable for you. When you say that you are on a break, does that mean both of you are allowed to explore with other people or just you? Did you discuss whether it applied to both of you?

    If it’s only you that’s allowed to explore, then do you trust her? If you trust her, then it shouldn’t be an issue. He could develop feelings for her whether he is single or not. If you don’t trust her, then maybe you should think about why that is and whether the relationship is working.

    It’s great that she has given you the opportunity to explore, but from her perspective, this must be also be quite a scary and uncertain time. She’s facing the prospect of her relationship with you potentially ending, so it is understandable that she wants to talk to people about it.

    Is there any particular reason why you think something may happen between them? Has something happened in the past to imply that there might be feelings there? If he’s a colleague, then she’s going to encounter him occasionally anyway, and you can’t stop her seeing him outside of work as a friend.
     
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    Thanks for your reply.

    We decided that I'm the only one to explore my sexuality. I asked whether she would like to date men and she said that she is not interested in dating men at all. She also mentioned that there is no sexual spark or anything romantic between her and her colleague; they can just talk well together. I do trust her with this, and you're right that feelings could develop at work as well. I just feel a bit insecure and want to lower the risks of her falling in love with him, as she mentioned that they can talk well together and that's an aspect she finds important in relationships. But I guess it's just my own insecurity, which I shouldn't show as it only pushes her away.

    From her perspective I understand that she wants someone to speak to, and as he's a bit further away from her (as opposed to her close friends who don't know about our situation) it may be easier to talk about the topic. It's just that the whole situation (her being vulnerable at this stage, him saying the right things and sharing these intimate things) in my opinion is a great foundation for feelings to develop. But maybe I should just stay calm and stop panicking, I try to let it go as often as I can but I notice it's having a negative influence on my own process.
     
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    Well, if you love her (and it sounds like you do) then you have to trust her.

    How do you feel about doing that? Or has this time apart solidified your commitment to your girlfriend?

    Beth
     
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    Hi Beth, thanks for your reply.

    Actually I haven't dated men up to today, although I made two appointmens with gay men this weekend. So in that perspective it's hard to tell what it feels like dating men and what it means for my current relationship.

    What I did find out is that love is not just about "labelling" oneself, for I truly love my fiancee and I realize that we have had a great time together and that I do want to marry her. I'm currently exploring because I'm scared that I may feel so much more for men that I did for women, even though I was (still am, but these crazy and intense butterflies kind of faded away) crazy about my fiancee. I have had gay urges, sexual and romantic thoughts a lot lately and therefore decided to explore this. Because they do tell me something. But unless I feel completely at ease with gay men, and feel things I haven't felt before, I'd like to stay loyal to my fiancee and spend a life with her.
     
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    Hey, I think it is brilliant that your partner and yourself are trying to figure all of this out before you get married, that is definitely a good thing to do. Have you considered seeing an LGBT therapist?
    I think the 2 things that stick out for me the most in your post are firstly the jealousy/concern over your partner and her work colleague. I can understand that at the moment you are in unfamiliar territory but are these feelings you have suffered from often in the past? I know you mentioned that you werent that keen on them climbing together. Do you think you are naturally insecure in terms of the relationship?

    The other thing is that June is only few months away and I guess I am concerned that you will not be able to get completely to the bottom of this in a few months. You said you have made a couple of appointments with gay men this weekend which of course may give you all of the answers you need but also may not. These kind of appointments are not for everyone and not 'feeling it' in these kind of situations doesn't necessarily mean that you are not 'into men' it can just be that man or the situation.

    I wish you all the best in your process.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. Good question. But yes, I have suffered from these insecurities in the past. For me it seems like I'm covering these insecurities with a relationship. At least, that's what I realize now. This is due to the fact that I've been cheated on when I was 19, which was a horrible experience. Currently I don't have a LGBT therapist, but I am having a therapist with whom I discuss my sexuality issues, insecurities and addiction.

    I just hope that accepting my true self by dating men in public will help loving myself more and prevent rejecting myself. June is indeed pretty soon, but if I don't manage to find answers we will extend the period!
     
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    As someone who neglected to figure himself out when he had the chance, I applaud what you and your fiancee are doing. It is great that you felt brave and safe enough to tell her. If your fiancee is as great and understanding as you say, then no matter what you two decide together, it will work out for the best. Worst case scenario she gains a GBFF.
     
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    Well, it's an interesting experiment Ron961 - a pity more couples don't do this before embarking on matrimony.

    The key thing I'd say is being truly honest, with yourself and with your fiancee. The nightmare scenario - for both of you - is if you return to her saying you'd got this 'out of your system' when deep down you hadn't.

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    This is a difficult situation, and I don't envy you the uncertainty and turmoil that comes with it. But it also seems like this is really important to you, and something that, whatever the outcome, will contribute to you gaining a broader understanding of yourself.

    Given how you feel about your fiancee, I don't get the impression that you're gay. Sometimes we have to take a step back from the relationship in order to see it for what it is, and to further appreciate it. That very much sounds like what's happening to you; it's given you greater clarity, allowing you to realize you do in fact love her and want to be with her.

    That said--and I know this is hard--the constant fretting over what she might or might not do in the meantime is stunting your exploration. I completely understand and sympathize; if it were me, I'd be afraid of losing my partner, too. So what it comes down to is trust: you say you trust her, she promises nothing's going on with this colleague, etc. Difficult as it is with your insecurities/past negative experiences, if you really intend to explore your same-sex attraction, you need to push these feelings aside.

    Or alternatively, you need to decide what matters most--the relationship you two share, or the chance of exploration outside of said relationship, risks and all. It's not an easy decision, and there is no one-size-fits-all solution. I encourage you to do some serious soul-searching on the matter. Only once you have will you have a chance of knowing what you truly need/want at this point in your life.

    I wish you luck, and hope whatever outcome you hope for comes to pass.
     
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    Sounds like you are both being really sensible. It is also great that you have a therapist, even if they dont specialise in LGBT. I really hope you can get to the bottom of it, whichever way it turns out. Dont hesitate to post here more if we can help with anything.
     
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    It's a pill you'll have to swallow, I'm afraid.
    During the time you are apart you might find someone and never come back to her.
    And she might also find someone and never come back to you.

    It's already a huge thing that she encourages you to explore dating other people (most people would probably end the relationship on the spot). Acting jealous is very unfair, imo.
     
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    Just a quick update. It's been a while since I lived apart from my fiancee. This is what happened:

    The plan was to live apart from each other for a month to explore my sexuality and date men (no sex though). Given the situation with her colleague and the thoughts of her falling in love with him drove me crazy and eventually I decided to return back home after a week. I must say that it felt really good to be back with her. And for weeks it did go well, I felt safe, loved and we had a great time. It also comforted me because the fears I experienced when living alone vanished. I also didn't have gay urges and fantasies.

    Today, a couple of weeks later, I'm starting to feel pretty miserable again and starting to doubt whether I made the right decision. I keep on having gay fantasies, masturbate when thinking about men or thinking about doing sexual activities with men. This really influences my mood: I have a constant feel of dizziness, or muffled feeling (as if there's cotton wool in my head) and think about sex almost the entire time. I cannot seem to make a decision, or cannot seem to accept my gay part. I'm finding it so hard as there is so much to give up. I'm now scared that I got back to my fiancee after a week to make these thoughts and fears of abandonment stop, to make this anxiety stop. I did feel better once we were together again and I could see that she didn't cheat on me with her colleague e.g.
    I'm so stressed now the wedding is just a couple of weeks away, we're preparing, bought my suit, invited guests, organised a bacholor's party, bought rings etc. I just don't know how to do this, if I should just stop it all as we speak, or marry her and hope this phrase blows over. I would rather have someone tell me what to do instead of making a decision myself.

    I don't know if I want this to work because society tells me so, or that I don't want to live as a gay man because it makes live harder. I know I cannot change the way I am, but still living as a gay doens't appeal to me. I don't know if it's my homophobia. But I do know that constantly rejecting my true self isn't going ot make me happy.

    Anyway, it's bit of a messy post incoherent post after all, I'm sorry for this.
     
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    Hi @Ron961

    I’m sorry to hear that you’re still struggling. Have you spoken to your fiancé about how you are feeling now? Marriage is a big commitment, and whilst these types of conversations are hard to initiate, I do think she has a right to know what’s going on for you. If roles were reversed, would you want to know?

    I think it’s very unlikely, and probably impossible, that this is a phase. I think many of us who have been in a similar situation also hoped the same at one time or another, but it doesn’t go away. From my experience, it actually gets worse over time, unbearable even, and harder to keep up the pretence.

    Could you at least postpone the wedding? Is that an option? I think that you need time to think through and unpick what you are feeling. You could speak to a therapist too. Is that something that you have tried before? It might be that you are bisexual and there is the possibility of your current relationship continuing, or it might be that you are gay, in which case neither you or your fiancé would be truly fulfilled from your current relationship. Only you can work this out and you need to allow yourself time to do so, without a deadline.
     
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    Not to be off topic, but go to the doctor and get that dizziness and muffled hearing checked out. I had those symptoms and it turned out to be a heart problem and I had to have surgery.
     
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    Hey I’m sorry you are feeling like this but @LostInDaydreams is right you have to speak to her and for what it is worth in my opinion you shouldn’t go through with the marriage if you have any doubts at all. It isn’t fair to anyone.

    One issue is that your current situation is familiar and as you say feels safe so when you were apart and suffered from the anxiety etc you wanted to run back to the familiar but that doesn’t mean it’s right it just means it’s what you know.
    Out of interest did you go on any dates with any guys in the week you were away?
     
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    Ron, I do feel for you. But ultimately, whether you're straight or bisexual, this boils down to one very simple question: do you love your fiance and want to spend the rest of your life with her?

    If the answer is anything other than an unequivocal 'yes', then you need to tell her. Soon. Anything else would be cruel.

    It'll be messy and horrible, in the short term. But in the long term, really, it's for the best.

    Good luck, Beth
     
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    Hi everyone,

    Thank you so much. She noticed that I felt a bit down and that there was something wrong. So I told her that I have been having gay urges and fantasies again and that they won't go away. She hoped the urges would vanish after I came back from my one-week break but unfortunately they haven't and they will never do. She still wants to marry me only she said that she wants to do relationship councelling for she doesn't know how to deal with this. We talked about an open relationship in a joking way but I don't think she wants that. I'm not sure if I can do that either due to my jealousy and insecurities. But a kind of relationship would make it easier for me to see other men next to having a loving relationship with my fiancee.

    @chicodeoro , good question Beth. I do love her and respect her and have a good time with her. But some part of me says that I will be happier if I accept my true self and live the life I truly want to live. I quite an introvert and reserved person, shy in some ways as well, but I feel that it has to do with the deep feelings of self-rejection which I believe would (partly) dissapear should I fully accept myself. Maybe that's a whole different topic, how people felt about their coming out, but for some reason I can imagine it would feel marvellous.

    I think I will raise the topic again and talk about it at least. And see what the outcome is. I don't want to make rash decisions, just talk and share my point of view. I find it really hard indeed @LostInDaydreams . But I should just try.
     
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    I think this is a very good idea and you should take the opportunity to do this before you both say 'I do'.

    I don't want to sound harsh, but there is an element of cake-ism in this, like 'I want to get married but still have flings with men on the side (even though she can't do the same cos of my insecurities)'. I think you know that that's not on.

    I hope you can both find a way through this, but I suspect that you're trying to square a circle here..

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    Thanks Beth. Well actually the relationship counseling she suggested doing after the wedding. I don’t think she wants to call off the wedding out of shame for relatives and friends (they’re quite conservative)