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Super confused as to what my internet behaviors mean and if this means I am a bsiexual or lesbian?

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  1. queen511

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    Hello everyone,

    I've just joined because I thought it may be worth while trying to get any feedback from people who know more about sexuality than I do. I've also posted because feedback on some internet spaces have caused me all kinds of confusion and I am now really letting this affect my life to the point where I've called in sick to work several times this month as I am mentally under a lot of pressure to make sense of this all (I've calmed down since and have been learning to take it easy).

    I am a 20 something year old woman who has always identified as straight based on how I feel around real life bodies. I used to think I could be asexual due to still being a virgin by choice but I've realized that I do have the capacity to be with a guy emotionally and physical and have found some guys attractive, i just don't have a deep desire to i.e. not being with a guy really doesn't affect me as I am just like that and always have been. But anyway, based on who I have looked at as a potential and and thought of as cute I would definitely say its been men.

    About a few months ago I started analyzing past actions when I was in my mid-late teens. I had one cyber sex with a girl, turned on but I never went back to that ever again (important to say here that I didn't analyse why I did it, wasn't repulsed by it and didn't force myself to stay away from it, I just didn't think about it and for whatever reason it never occurred to me to do it again), I also went to certain chat rooms at this age and sometimes private messaged girls pretending to be a boy (really lame, but i was immature). I knew the chats ( a few) were flirtatious, cant remember if it ever was sexual but again this event lasted a few times and I never went back to it and never analysed why I did it.

    I went about my life and never desired to be with any woman at any stage of my life, I still don't. However, I got exposed to lesbian porn and started fantasizing about being with a woman. Again, never analysed it and still did not desire to be with a woman at all.

    Now, what has happened is that since I started analyzing my behaviors particularly past teenage behaviors I've come across all kind of stuff online saying it may indicate that I am a bisexual/lesbian. I dont find anything wrong at all about these labels but I am very sure that I am not attracted to women I see everyday and have no history of ever having a crush on a girl during those teen years. Its like when I did those stuff and even with the fantasizing I take on a new persona, I become a different person and when I reengage with the real world I am me and no matter how beautiful a woman is I cannot find myself desiring to be with her sexually or emotionally.

    And here I am, just confused about this all. I dont know much about sexuality and what my cyber and porn/fantasy behaviors mean and if they mean I should now come out as a bisexual? or a Lesbian? Can anyone help me understand what those labels mean. I mean it would be awkward to claim bisexuality and have no current or past history of ever wanting to experiment or be with a real life woman so not sure how I can explain that to myself let alone anyone else so any clarity on what actually entails bisexuality would be so so much appreciated.

    I am confident in how i feel in real life but as you an gather the analyzing has led to all kinds of confusion as to why I did what I did and if it means my sexual orientation now changes based on those actions highlighted above.

    I know no one is obligated to help me make sense of any of this so with this understanding just a thank you to anyone who does help out as it would really go a long way in helping me out.
     
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    Hi, the main thing to determine your sexuality is who you are sexually or romantically attracted to and from what you’ve written it isn’t women so I would say you are straight. Teenagers are curious, you never carried on those things. Straight women enjoy lesbian porn. What porn you like isn’t necessarily an indicator of sexuality. Do you fantasise about being with women now? Do you fantasise about being with men?
     
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    Thanks so much @Lia444 for taking the time to help me understand some basics on sexuality. I couldn't stress enough how much just writing the post meant for me to release all the chatter in my head and just having someone reply irrespective of their view points makes me feel less alone in all of this.

    hmm, I mean as of right now I am not fantasizing about women but yes very recently I was and yes I do fantasise about guys too. The confusing bit is when I look at real women I see everyday I analyse my reactions and wonder if I am attracted to them and if I want to be with them physically or emotionally and I just have a blank feeling irrespective of how beautiful a woman is. I am tired of being a creepy person and checking out random strangers and over analaysing if i am attracted or not. I am not sure if bisexuality is supposed to be this hard to figure out?

    Also when you wrote "the main thing to determine your sexuality is who you are sexually or romantically attracted to": do you mean people in real life as in how your sexuality is determined by how you react to real people as opposed to your behaviors on the internet, reaction to porn? and what about fantasies are they a determining factor when figuring out if you are bisexual/lesbian?

    Sorry for the questions, I am just trying to understand what my conflicting behaviors/fantasies may mean?
     
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    Yeah I think it’s best to go by what you feel for people in real life but I have struggled with this too as I don’t have much to go on myself. I can’t just look at someone and feel attraction etc which I think is common. I do however fantasise about women a lot and have always had crushes / obsessions with female celebs never male ones. However what celebs you like Isn’t always an indicator. Re the porn are you imaging yourself as one of the women? did you fantasise about women before you watched porn?
     
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    Thanks alot for your reply. I have anxiety issues so I really dont like relying on my memory but if I try I dont believe I started fantasizing about women without first being introduced to porn. I think I saw porn/erotic movies as a teen that has lesbian themes by accident (on tv). Recently, porn is what starts the fantasizing and I may have fantasized about women without viewing porn/erotic movies maybe once but what i viewed on porn was still on my mind. To your other questions, yes I am imagining myself as one of the women so it is something I am involved in my fantasy. I do find it easier to self pleasure to thoughts about women as I am still a virgin and not sure how to self pleasure with thoughts of men as different sexual organs etc so not sure if that is relevant to point out
    When I look at celebrities, I mean I have definitely appreciated a beautiful celebrity woman, but a crush? Nah, I dont believe I have had a crush. I may had really brief thoughts but nothing that stayed past a minute or two or made me think I like the female celeb in that way. I have mostly noticed male celebs and thought of them as cute in a date-able way.

    I will say that my thoughts about women tend to pop up the same time when I start anaysig my sexuality, it's like a trigger goes off that says "ohh this subject again, lets start fantsising", so I've stopped all forms of porn/fantasizing to just focus on real life and it definitely not something hard to do. Do I feel compelled to fantisize about women? I dont believe I am, but off course the behaviors are confusing as to if it has any major indication on my sexuality.

    Interested to know if the above is an indication of bisexuality?

    Thanks for sharing your current journey, what made you question yourself
     
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    I need to say this upfront. Only you know and experience your feelings. So no one can tell you what your sexuality is or is not. All anyone can do is give you our best guess but it's up to you to figure out what is true of your experience.

    Considering what you wrote here, you sound bi, possibly lesbian. Porn habits aren't necessarily indication of sexuality, because lesbians could like gay porn. Your fantasies, what you think about while masturbating, crushes, how you feel around others are better indications of your sexuality. This doesn't mean all of those things need to be present because sometimes our sexual desires have waned. This can be due to many reasons such as medical issues, hormonal imbalances, mental health issues, emotional numbness, stress, anxiety, depression, abuse, trauma, denial, internalized homophobia, social pressures, moral beliefs, fear of rejection, etc, etc

    You might have some things to work out first before you can be in better touch with your sexuality.
     
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    I self pleasure too re thoughts about women sometimes it’s just me and sometimes there are two of us. Not sure if straight girls do this, could you just be curious about your own sexuality and can relate to women more as you are a women? I’m not sure. From what you have said I would say this is really all you have in the not straight list. You don’t seem curious though re wanting to date women but maybe this will change as time goes on. You can be bi and only date men if that’s what you choose. I would try not to worry about labels and just focus on the person rather than the gender and see how your heart responds. I wouldn’t keep doing the checking though as this just drives the mind round and round looking for answers. Have you seen any lesbian movies? Maybe seeing women as couples might help you?
     
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    Thanks all for your replies and again for taking the time out.

    Cinnamon Bunny and Lia444 I am really confused by the understanding of bisexuality or being a lesbian as I do not have a desire to be with women in the real world at all. I believe this is the foundation of my confusion. If I desired to experiment with women in real life I wouldn't have a single problem identifying as a bisexual but there isn't any actual desire so what does that make me? Calling myself bisexual with the "only in my fantasy world" seems a bit interetsing loool. I dont know, its all very confusing. And labels? I get why people reject them, I am not focused so much on labels but trying to understand myself better and what my internet/fantasy behaviours mean thats all.

    And cinnamon Bunny- you think I am bi or a lesbian? Thats totally cool but if I have no desire and never had a desire in real life to experiment with a woman despite my past teen years internet actions and fantasy behaviours (and I am no well into my 20's) I am not sure how realistic those definitions are. There's nothing holding me back from being honest about same sex attraction in real life, there is just nothing there so if I were based on my past internet actions as a teenager and recent porn/fantasy habits and defined myself as a bisexual or lesbian, it would be basically me walking around my days forever being single as I have no real life desire to be with a woman and no history of any real life crush on the same sex at any point in my life, this is what my entire post is basically all about, tying to figure out why those past internet behaviors and recent fantasy dont match my real life desire.
     
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    Ok I'm going to jump into the discuss :slight_smile: welcome to EC.

    I'm going to start off with a question, how much do you desire to be with a guy?

    I also suffer from anxiety and I'm not saying it makes you the same as me but I definitely think it contributed to me figuring my sexuality out in my mid to late 20's. I totally get your struggle with identifying as bisexual if you don't feel drawn to women in real life but at the same time I'm not sure how many straight people actually fantasise about being with a woman. Although that being said I know you said you only really do it after the porn which in itself isn't the most reliable indicator.

    Watching some movies or programs with lesbians in them is a great idea. I was also going to say it doesn't have to all be about sex, which sounds like a weird thing to say I know but imagine being with a woman, holding hands, cuddling etc, how does that make you feel? If you imagine it with a guy, how does that make you feel?
     
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    Thanks a lot for also adding in your feedback, as always I just really appreciate everyone for their time and everyone is welcome to add to this discussion in any way, its totally cool and appreciated.

    I mean I've in the past watched lesbian erotic movies (not so much recently this year) but again the focus was always on the erotic aspect. I am just not really interested in watching lesbian romance with all due respect as it doesnt interest me. I saw the L word but nope it did nothing for me. I don't imagine having a romantic life with a woman at all and the idea of that doesnt create any emotion other than "okay, cool, am I supposed to feel something?". When I think of a romantic life with a guy I can imagine that life and there is a pull but I want to be clear that I have chosen to remain a virgin and I am mid 20's, I have a very low desire for intimacy and romance in real life (go figure lol) and/or I am jut really anxious and don't have time to focus on much other than myself at this point in my life so my lack of strong desire for guys is not really a good indication of not liking guys. Like all things in life I think real life attraction isnt that hard to figure out, I can imagine settling down with a guy, have noticed guy celebrities in a date able type of way, my reaction to real women has always been neutral or recently anxious filled with "am I attracted to her"?.

    I am not questioning my real life interest as I truly believe that if I wanted to be with women in real life, deep down I would feel something at the very least. I mean for all those who identify as bisexual or lesbian, was there a real life desire to be with the same sex? Was there at the very least a pull to experiment? If not, then how if you don't mind me asking could you know you were bisexual or a lesbian/gay person? I get labels but this is more about understanding who you are. Again, calling myself bisexual or lesbian when all the above is not present seems conflicting and even more confusing.

    I know it may be hard for people to grasp whats going on with me but believe me, hand on heart, I am being 100% honest. I've spent a whole year analyzing whether I was bisexual and checking women out. In that year, when I've gone somewhere public, I've noticed that I will notice a good looking or nice guy in a date able way but I'll not have any feelings present when a pretty woman is around, its just a neutral or anxious thought questioning if I like her or not.
     
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    Then I think you sound straight. The reason people ask a lot of questions about different aspects of women is because sometimes even without knowing it the heteronormality of society can lead someone to unknowingly repressing their same sex attraction until something for whatever reason stirred it in them.
    If you have no desire to be with a girl in real life then I would go with straight and try not to stress anymore :slight_smile:.
     
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    Thanks for your reply silverhalo, really appreciate the time you and others have given.

    I truly understand the lots of questions, the more I've been answering them the more it has actually helped me understand myself better and makes sense of this all. I think my issue is less about figuring out who i am attracted to in real life but more about figuring out what my internet and fantasy behaviors with no real life desire to act on those fantasies mean and how can it not all add up? I am learning that sometimes just maybe I wont always have the answers to those questions and to just focus on living my life and just base my orientation on who my real life interests are and move on. I quite porn/fantasy as I was engaging with it unhealthily i.e. over analysing everything and when I have stopped its made me focus on reality and just use that as my way of understanding who I am and who I am attracted to. I can't lie a part of me still wants answers for everything and to over analyse this situation just to make sense of it all or to feel less alone in having conflicting internet/ fantasy life v real world feelings as I know many of you have said that based on my fantasy it doesnt sound like I am a straight. But a part of me knows that I've really let this anxiety get out of hand. I hope I can move on from this chapter of my life as I have wasted so many months on this issue.

    Thanks again everyone for your time!
     
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    No worries. Answers are great because they mean we can box things up in our mind and tidy them away but if you can just accept something is just the way it is for no rhyme or reason that's a powerful thing too. I think sometimes fantasies are just that, it's something our mind goes off too for some escapism. It doesn't mean we necessarily want to reinact it in real life.
    Talking through things is often very helpful to make them clearer. I agree I think the less you think about it the clearer things will be, it just often easier said than done.
     
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    What porn people like doesn't necessarily determine sexuality as some people like gay porn and some gay people prefer straight porn so you would also look at fantasises and real life etc. If you enjoy it then keep doing it as there is nothing wrong with being curious and you don’t have to act on the fantasies. I would say you are straight and just curious. This may or may not change over the years. You can change your label as many times as you want and also not even have a label if you don’t want one but I know it is nice to fit in a box. Maybe see yourself in the straight box but the lid is open.
     
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    Thanks again ya'll, seriously just grateful for the generoisity of your time. Indeed as a someone who has lived with anxiety for most of my adult life, accepting the unknown is easier said than done.

    Thank ya'll for clarifying the fantasy bit for me. Also, this is the absolute last question I have as I forgot to mention this on earlier post- a bit TMI but when I was masturbating and fantasizing I was only able to reach orgasm by thinking of other women, when fantasizing about men I could get really turned on but it was just difficult to imagine how it would feel based on still being a virgin so I didnt reach orgasm. Yea, I haven't been with a woman before but the similar body parts and positioning was easier to orgasm to because I guess I can easily imagine what it would feel like if that makes any sense. I also can only reach orgasm from a certain position of laying on my stomach and it was just harder to try to imagine making out with a guy while on top of him lool I'm not sure if that all makes sense but I am just wondering if this paired with no real life desire/attraction to women indicates bisexuality/being a lesbian?
     
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    I don’t see anything wrong with that but I might not be the best person to answer as I’m still questioning myself. If however you are in a relationship with a guy and you can only finish by thinking of women then I think you will need to re-think the straight label.
     
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    I agree with Lia, if you don't feel attracted to women in real life then carry on as if you are straight if you date some men and it doesn't seem right or you can only get there imagining women then come back haha and we will have another chat. Don't worry about questions ask as many as you like.
     
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    When I said you sound bi, I don't mean resolutely for sure. Your masturbation fantasy (moreover the arousal and orgasm) suggests you are attracted to women to a degree. Staight women can like lesbian porn, but they don't lean towards fantasizing and masturbating to women. Like I said, only you can know what your sexuality is. I could be wrong. Like the others said you may just be straight, curious, and exploring. I agree it's best not to stress over this. I think it's a good thing to lay off the porn so it's clearer what you are drawn to naturally. Chip, one of the staff here, leans towards what one natural thinks of when masturbating (without the use of porn) as a good indication of attraction.

    I think you bring up a valid point, I don't think I could have identify as bi until I fell in love. You may not have enough information to say you're bi or lesbian. At this point, you probably better off relaxing and see where life goes.

    About the lack of "this and that". In my experience before I figured things out I never crushed on girls (fictional or real), never wanted sex with them, never wanted a romance, and I only masturbated to the thought of a girl because I was questioning. Even though I do have an average libido and I'm a romantic. So a lack of these aren't a given to being straight. My experience might not be the norm but it's not unique either, like silverhalo pointed out some of us had reasons to repress our desires if only because society. The only indication I wasn't straight in my younger years was a curiousity/arousal towards erotic media with women and perhaps how much I wanted a bff. I didnt want to "experiment" or have a romance. It wasn't until my 20's my sexuality started to show up more (random impluse to kiss someone, but even then I didn't want to act on it or anything else). It wasn't clear to me until I was 30 because I fell in love.

    Because of all of this though, it was REALLY confusing what my sexuality is. Even when I was trying to be honest. I don't think I could have known prior.

    I am a virgin too. I don't find a lack of experience with men (or women) makes it harder to get aroused. From what I've read and heard, I don't think that staight virgin women having difficulty with getting off to the thought of men. Mental health issues can cause issues for arousal and orgasm (though it would apply to all sexes, not just one).

    In the end, your story is your own. You are your own person. You may just have a low libido and not really interested in romance. If bi doesn't fit, don't use the label. If you think it might fit, try it out to see if it sticks. You don't have to have it all figured out and you might not be able to be sure right now. Simply be aware and open to life experiences. What I'm hearing at the very least is that you have a lot of anxiety to the point you don't like relying on memory. Anxiety can make it harder to know your sexuality, staight or otherwise. Orientation aside, the anxiety bit concerns me. So I hope you are getting help and taking care of yourself for your overall health.
     
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    Reading this whole thing, you sound very straight. I know more straight women that like lesbian porn than actual lesbians who do.....and if you don't want to be with a girl in real life, that is also a strong indicator.
     
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    A big virtual hug to all you wonderful people for being so kind with your time, I know I keep repeating that but the fact that you don't need to help me or others out on here with our issues and the fact that you are is for me just something I am truly grateful for! I do really hope to give back in the same way you all have in helping someone else out when I am in a better place mentally.

    @Lia444 and @silverhalo Thanks, to just further clarify from my side do you both mean if I am end up in a relationship with a guy and can only orgasm with him by thinking of women then that would be a time to re-evaluate further and for now just carry on and focus on who I am attracted to in real life and if its just men to just go with straight?

    @Cinnamon Bunny Thank you for sharing your story, its truly appreciated. I am not sure what my natural fantasies are to be honest, I did once fantisise about a fictional woman (inspired from porn that I watch and have used to fantisise with porn before) once without the use of porn but the fact that it was a similar fantasy to the one I had when aroused by viewing porn made me question if it was a natural fantasy. I did also have a sexual thought that was arousing about a female colleague some months without masturbating just thoughts that lasted all but 2 mins and then I just had a blank feeling. I checked out the colleague in real life i.e. at work and again jsut a blank feeling Similar thing happened with a brief sexual thought of a celebrity woman-no masturbating- but thought disappeared after 2 minutes and when I saw the celebrity woman again on tv-i had a blank feeling. I still have a blank feeling for both the colleague who I see as a friend and the celebrity woman.
    I hear you on the complexity of it all and just focusing on living. Yes, my anxiety is not good at all in the sense that I if I rely on memory alone, I start doubting the memory so I've noted that. I have found writing down all these conflicting actions that I have never analysed before just in and of itself really therapeutic in the sense that I am starting to find myself, like deep down I am getting closer to finding some solace in all of this. I have always had anxiety in different areas of my life and I have learnt in those areas to just let it go after seeking answers usually by medical professions due to health anxiety and learning more about whatever was stressing me out, with my sexuality though the anxiety wouldn't leave because I wasn't aware that unpacking all of this would bring some light and knowledge of sexuality and leave me feeling just more empowered by understanding it all.

    @Creativemind Thank you too for your contribution to this discussion.
     
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