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Bisexual Marriage

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Nickw, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. MsEmma

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    Having been out to my wife since the get-go (2000), I wish I could report a better outcome. Of course, we have had other issues that have impacted our marriage (as evidenced in other threads), but I certainly hope your experience is better than mine.

    I suggest being very clear at the outset regarding monogamy expectations and be realistic/honest with yourself. Early on, my wife began jokingly referring to me as "[her name]-sexual" instead of bi. I wasn't honest with her on how I felt minimized by that and it allowed a distance to grow. That distance then made me resent her a little more each time I felt minimized, knowing that only I had the power to stop it but feeling incapable/unwilling to do it. Long story short: don't let that distance grow.

    The other users' suggestions are great, too. There is such power in this group. (&&&)
     
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    You and your wife are not alone dealing with pain or lack of sensitivity during intimacy. There are a lot of support forums out there, the main ones I've heard of are for Pudendal Neuralgia, and MS. You can find lots of tips and support there. Also there are study's going on for repairing nerve damage that sometimes happens in C sections. Don't give up hope, there are lots of people going through the same thing who are mostly too embarrassed to talk about it. If her doctor is dismissive, or tries to tell her it's in her head, get a new doctor. Seriously any doctor who treats you like that is someone who isn't actually reading the science from their own discomfort with the subject.
     
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    Thanks Bunny.
     
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    Nickw - I see a lot of the same issues that I went through with my wife over the years so I thought I would give my two cents worth.

    Knowing that I wasn't straight during my teenage years but scared to admit it, I buried it deep into the closet, met a girl, got married and had kids. The attraction was still there so I had to be real discreet when checking out men while out with my wife. After several years into the marriage, I really felt the need to "drop hints" to her so I decided to do it during our intimate/sexual times. I started out slow until one time she came out and asked me if I have ever been with a guy and are you attracted to men. I answered yes to both (this is still during an encounter) and we both got even more turned on and I told her then that I was bisexual. The next several days were pretty awkward and she had her mad moments but that was 15 plus years ago.

    We've had a lot of great sex since then (she's 100% straight) and we used me being bi for even better sex. Fast forward to now and I really think I'm about 4.5 on the Kinsey scale which probably puts me closer to gay but we're still happily married, she's the only one that knows about this side of me, we both are attracted to the same kind of men and she'll sometimes talk about it in public with me because she knows I get turned on when she does. Nobody would ever expect this about me which I think adds to the fun. We'll come home from a party sometimes and she'll ask me if I saw anyone there that I liked etc.

    So, know that coming out to your wife can definitely have some pluses and it sounds like your wife may be receptive to it. Just take your time and you'll know when you're ready. I still love my wife and want to stay married, it just adds another element that can be fun.
     
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    Thanks for the input MG

    My wife liked Heath Ledger. So, a straight buddy and I dressed up as Brokeback Mountain dudes for a charity event. Course we had to make out for the camera. That was the best sex I had with my wife in 10 years when we got home (cowboy hat stayed on)...so maybe!

    Personal question then. Do you have outside the marriage gay sexual encounters? If so, how does that work with your wife?
     
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    I came out to my wife in October. There have been some absolutely brutal moments of all-night sobbing, her leaving the house or me leaving the house in the middle of the night, but we seem to have reached a place of relative calm... for now. We haven't had sex since November, but I know she absolutely craves it. I'm scared, honestly. I thought at first that she would have the strength to eventually let me go and I thought that's what I wanted, but now I'm not so sure. She says she loves me too much to let me fly and I love her too much to just leave. So I suppose we're trying to figure things out. It ain't easy. At. All.
     
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    The reason I am not out is fear of the same sort of reaction. I had planned on coming out on June 1 after I got my shit together. But, this morning I woke up and said I'm going to do it this afternoon. I thought I would use the emotion of my cancer scare as an advantage since she has been so freaked out and part of my erratic behavior is because of it. That would not be fair at all to her. I can't believe I was considering that. I still have some work to do!

    I am sorry to hear how hard it is for you. You identify as gay, not bi. So, if you don't mind my asking. Why do you want to stay in a "closed" marriage? If you and your wife stay together, how do you see the dynamic?
     
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    Early in my marriage I had two "minor get togethers" but that was many years ago and even before I came out to her but nothing since. It's really tough to hold back though and while I don't look at porn per-say, I'll pull up some pictures every now and then for my satisfaction.

    However, I have mentioned me (or I should say asked) finding one buddy "to hang out with" on occasion for some casual fun but she hasn't given in to that yet. I have talked to a couple guys fairly recently but it was just conversation and nothing more. I'm real scared about STD's but I'm hoping I can find the right person soon. If I do, I'm not sure how I'll handle it with her because she's been pretty cool about everything so far so I don't want to ruin that. It's driving me crazy though!
     
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    Thank you. At this point, I really have no choice but to stay and make every attempt to keep the lid on being gay by keeping myself occupied with work and family things. She has said over and over that she would not survive if I left and I'm just not willing to risk her having a complete breakdown and everyone (including our kids) blaming ME for "what I did to her."

    I won't lie and say it's easy because it's not. It's fucking brutal.

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    When I was able to bifurcate everything into "straight me" and "gay me" by affixing the bisexual label to myself, I always thought this was the answer. To find ONE other married guy like me. Well, I had 3 relationships with other married men. The last one was made me realize that I am indeed GAY because we fell deeply in love with each other. In fact, sex was but a minimal part of our relationship. But then, his wife figured things out, he bailed to save his marriage. The hardest thing was that I was ready to hold his hand and jump but he chose to stay with his wife and kids. So, I was standing on the precipice and had to turn around and step back into my reality. I went into a deep, suicidal depression which led me to 2 choices : kill myself or tell my wife. I somehow convinced myself that she'd rather me gay and alive to dead in my car crashed into a pine tree. I'm still not sure I shouldn't have chosen the pine tree... sigh.

    I'm still not how this story ends, though my wife and I seem to be in a relatively calm place right now. It ain't easy.
     
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    I know sometimes we have a rough day and say things we really don't mean because that is how we feel at the time and there is no other way to describe the intensity of the feelings. I hope that is the case here.

    But, if you are serious that you considered suicide as a way out of this marriage then you, simply, must leave it. Your children need a gay father way more than they need a dead father. No one should die because they cannot express their sexuality.

    I don't know your wife, obviously. But, if she is threatening to harm herself if you leave then you may not be doing her any favors by staying. It sounds like she needs to get into therapy if her whole life depends on the reliability of you and your relationship with her. Surely, your children will understand given that this sort of manipulative behavior does not go unnoticed by others.

    You own your sexuality, not your wife. You need to be able to express it to a level that allows you to be happy. If this expression is what is missing in your life, you really must do something about it. From what you have written, I do not see doing nothing as a option.

    I just reread my post and thought it sounded a bit like a lecture. I apologize for the bluntness. I am, really, in no position to offer strong advice and the comments come from genuine concern. Please take care of yourself.
     
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    It sounds like we are in pretty similar situations except for me not being out. One of the reasons I decided I want to be out to my wife is to ask her if I can do a little exploration on the side. It is going to be a tough sell because, largely, the risk of STD's.

    It is going to be a difficult conversation. My wife does not get emotional quickly. When I tell her, I am bi, I am pretty sure she will, matter of factly, ask me what I want to do about it. I need to have an answer I can live with because it will be hard to come back to her later. I will probably say something stupid like "whatever you will let me do". Now, I will get to see some emotions!
     
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    I appreciate your candour and your concern. To be clear, the suicidal thoughts came from lots of different sources... the overwhelming feelings of repressed sexuality, lots of childhood memories of abusive (emotional and physical) came roaring back, the decision of the other married guy to stay with his wife, the guilt of having to tell mine, the uncertainty of the future, blah blah blah. I'm in therapy now and am in a rather stable place. Thank you for worrying though :wink: hugs
     
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    I think a lack of communication about sex is common and so is getting into a routine...think it really helps to talk about what you both want honestly...definitely need to do this with my husband.

    So glad for you that it was a benign condition. I guess that scare must have made you re-evaluate everything in your life.

    I was also trying not to use the word authentic but I guess everything keeps coming back to it! Like you, I can't imagine never having a same sex experience again, so trying to find a way of incorporating that into my marriage.
     
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    OMG RIGHT. I just...I just think this so much.
     
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    I read your comment and was like oh did I write this, because it's basically the exact comment and quote and comment I was going to use on this post. My husband and I agree it might be difficult to rationalize a third party in our life the way it is... But I think about it all the time, even just the practical aspect of a third person. I just don't know I want my woman felt up by him and he's not comfortable with me just having another relationship he wants to be my partner and another partners partner if there is another partner... So my issue is this doesn't exactly fulfill what it is I need or want as it is... But that said he's very understanding... He asks me sometimes if I think women are attractive, luckily we have fairly sillier taste... But I'm quite picky... We are very close and I don't think I want to share him... Clearly I'm selfish here ... I don't know...
     
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    Threebears wrote

    When I was discussing what I desired, potentially, outside of my marriage, my therapist suggested a 3 way with another man. I have zero interest in this for myself. However, in the unlikely event my opposite sex partner (new bisexual lingo for wife) would want this, I suppose for her I would rise to the occasion. I understand where you are coming from. With another man, I am extremely picky myself and the situation I desire is is pretty well defined in my mind and it does not involve sharing. On the other hand, I understand where your husband is coming from. The straight me totally gets a three way with two women! I'm so screwed up!

    That's the great thing about bisexuals...lots of variation in sexuality and desires!
     
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    That's very true, variation is good lol. And if you're screwed up... I'm screwed up :wink:
    That's exactly how I feel, he's all fine but it's us not you and I'm all well... Frick... Love you but want my own pretty things... He's currently amused with the fact that I might have a list of actresses I think are hot that he might not have known about...because you know the British assistant is Jurassic world ... I might have said well I'm gonna have to get me one of those... And he was all oh me too and Asked who mine would be and I might have instantly had an answer and then he was all nope you miss cannot be trusted to have a hot British assistant you've put too much thought into that... Hehe... So now that's out lol. But yea it's a weird situation that I didn't think about when we got married... And I don't want to make him do anything he doesn't want to do :frowning2:
     
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    Hi guys! What a great thread! I love hearing from people who aren't just a tiny step away from leaving their partners but actually trying to make the bi thing work. This is a great site, but it leans heavily toward leaving your partner because it often defines authentic living as same-sex oriented living. A lot of bi people need to learn how to maintain, not leave, to achieve authenticity.

    "but maybe more important for bisexuals, since we already have deficits in our desires that cannot be filled by our spouses, to work at maintaining intimacy."

    This is basically what I told my husband in not so many words. And you know what? He stepped up. It's amazing! Feed the bi's! Feed us sex, heh.
     
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    Yes Cap. I am gonna, actually, "re-up" with my wife. New vows and all. I am serious about her. The rest is just frosting on my life. But, frosting can be really tasty! I am, now, "well fed" and it does work.
     
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    Some of you know I'd really like to figure out an occasional friends with benefits relationship with my husband's blessing. It doesn't seem likely right now, but one can always dream. In the meantime, we try to have sex frequently (3-6 times a week), talk about women I think are attractive, raise our children with very liberal values, and share dreams/fantasies. He knows I'd like to someday and in some way be with a woman. I do have cuddle privileges with my bff, but I only see her once or twice a year. It helps though. Hugging and holding her...

    I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea of having a deficit in my desires. I feel like I am overflowing with them. My husband can fulfill many of them, but he is not a woman and does not have a woman's body for me to enjoy. Some acts are just not possible in my Mixed Orientation Marriage.