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LGBT News Trump now banning words

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by mnguy, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Chiroptera

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    We are just having a conversation, so let's keep things friendly, shall we? :wink:

    Now, Jackie, i'm not sure if you had the patience to read my last post, but i understand (and respect) your position, and lack of hope. However, to me, having people feel hopelessness and opressed are one of the reasons why i feel like it is extremely important to express myself and fight for our rights and freedom. All we want is to love and be loved, and to live happy lives.

    You may think i'm a fool to believe the world can change, but history has proof that change is possible. And i decide to do my best to help with those changes. I refuse to stay quiet and bow down to straight people (not all of them are bigots, but you understand what i'm saying) while LGBT people are dying. Our fight isn't the problem. We expressing ourselves isn't the problem. Violence and prejudice are the problem, and we can't tolerate hate.

    I don't want straight people to be "good to me". They don't own me. I'm not a pet. I want to be seen as an equal. And i'll do my best to reach that, for me and for others who are suffering everyday because of violence (and not because they are themselves).

    Now, i'm not trying to convince you to join a social movement or anything like that. If you don't want to be vocal about all of this, it is perfectly fine not to. But i think that it is also important to recognize the importance of the LGBT movement. We suffer with some backlash, sure, but the world is slowly getting better (see places like Australia, approving gay marriage) because of people that don't bow down to bigots, and are constantly fighting so we can live in peace.

    Again, this very forum, which you are using, only exists because we believe in change, in support, in helping people in need. :wink:
     
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    Reading this made me extremely sad and uncomfortable. What kind of people are you use to being around? I never hear anyone using the word "faggot" where I'm from. This is just horrible homophobia. If someone uses that word, you should tell them it's not okay. Because it's not. Why should anyone (straight or otherwise) resent you for asking them to be polite? And if they even so much as threaten you, call the cops. I hope you're able to surround yourself with more kindhearted people. *Hugs to you*
     
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    I guess its not that we have rights that gets them angry. What I'm seeing it in my community is whenever the LGBT community has a victory, I watch these older hardliners die a little bit inside. They see it as a death of what they know. Like it or not the far left in many peoples minds represents communism, socialism, anti-western culture, anti-Christian, anti-military, and anti-capitalism. LGBT persons as well as, women, and minorities are often championed by the far left and so people associate us with these movements.

    I talk to people all day and they mostly view LGBT culture as an extension of the ultra left, so when ever we have a victory, they see it as a victory for antifa or as a victory for the communists or etc, etc. Im okay with fighting for our rights but until we are able to break away from this group we are going to be hated. When people attack us, in their confused minds they see it as fighting to protect their culture or country. I have actually heard people say "I wouldn't mind gays if they weren't all socialists" WTF? but thats how it is. When people find out Im gay they are surprised because I dont seem like an SJW type. LGBT folk have allowed themselves to be used and now we are paying for it. You may disagree with me but this is how I see it.

    Im myself am a libertarian and I often talk about it to people and champion it, many conservative and liberal people are part of our movement and I think its a far better place for LGBT persons. I used to be a republican but I found this party to be a better fit. I dont fight, I just work hard and be as respectable as I can be, people can see that Im gay but Im still a respectable person. I hope this is more clear.

    It just feels like everyone is ganging up on me.

    @Glitters not calling me a faggot, just using faggot or gay as a replacement words for loser, dummy, or lame. Like "Oh my phone is acting all faggoty today, I need to get a new one" or "Dude dont be gay, have another beer with us".
     
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    Cops are generally heterosexual Christian men? why dont I try calling the the Marines for that matter? Do you think they would believe a queer like me or one of their own?
     
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    Uh, because hurting someone is against the law?... The world isn't gay vs straight, orientations have no business in stuff like threats.
     
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    They probably wouldn't admit to threatening me and it would be my word against theirs. Did you read my post about how they use faggot?


    Maybe Im the crazy person, but I feel that my fear is justified. Am I alone in not wanting to rock the boat?
     
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    I can't say I relate to what you're talking about. It's probably just a difference of where we grew up. But the things you're talking about seem completely unfathomable to me.
     
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    It's not really a matter of what the individual cop prefers, even if the cop does hate gay people, he still would have to help you and take you through all the usual procedures. He can't just say he doesn't believe you and leave... the law doesn't work like that. It's incredibly easy for a cop to lose their job for not following procedure these days, so he's not going to risk his career just to mess with a gay person.
     
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    I grew up in a deeply homophobic household, my father in addition to being physically abusive toward me was very bigoted and hated homosexuals in particular. I guess maybe my fear and apprehension come from there? I'm not a psychologist though. I've mentioned before that I'm a coward and it obviously says a lot about me as a person (All negative). I think our continued debate on this topic is pointless. Everybody including myself have strong views that cannot be changed for one reason or another; we will be best just moving on. (See Im running away from a fight again :slight_smile: )

    I sort of regret posting in this one, I feel like you all think Im backward and stupid now.
     
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    No one here thinks you're stupid. If you're use to people treating you badly, it makes sense that you come to expect that behavior from others. If you think of yourself as a coward, it's because you were made to feel that way. It doesn't mean a coward is who you are. You are strong, especially to have survived in that kind of environment. Many people don't. They give up on life or they end it themselves.
     
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    fucking honestly
     
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    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) role is research and policy solutions for vulnerable people. Its parent body forcing these changes, the Department for Health and Human Services (HHS), which itself is cutting down on information it provides about LGBT issues, has a giant portfolio ranging from sex trafficking, child malnutrition, LGBT health, cancer support, social work and endless other issues that tie into the causes of homelessness. Families on the street actually do have something to do with this.

    When agencies tasked with the material wellbeing of the people you care about have their work censored, that can contribute to further poverty, lack of information and poorer health outcomes for those who can't afford medical care or don't know how to eat well affordably.

    I'm not sure you've read the article. This is a ban on a specific agency from using words relevant to the clinical realities of the research it does. A ban on discussing vulnerable groups (ie. transgender people), or HHS's freeze on research on LGBT issues, means that programs and services for your health you might be able to rely on can't be discussed, can't be defended and will eventually face more cuts as internal discussions can't reference their value for LGBT people.

    This isn't about excessively complex gender studies terms. If you'd read the article, you'd know that, and you'd know this in no way protects people like you.
     
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    @Aussie792 if you want to call me stupid, just come out and say it? The tone of your writing is all hoity toity.

    Everybody is blowing this out of proportion, lets see how many of you "brave crusaders" still care next month when its out of the news cycle. Most of you all only pretend to give a care but really dont. You may think Im selfish, cowardly or stupid, but Im at least honest. This is why Im not a part of the wider LGBT community, all you guys do is whine. Gays are "squeaky wheels" and nobody like a squeaky wheel.

    I have an idea lets fuck with the straights? You know the ones that have more legislative power than us and outnumber us 10 to 1. Lets piss them off when the homophobic party is the majority. If you guys were generals you'd attack the enemy head on every time; lets attack our enemies when their at their strongest, there's an idea. We would be better suited making pushes for our rights when the liberals are in power and laying low when the republicans are in charge. The straights are gonna grind us into dust while they have the power to do it, we should wait until they get voted out then fix it. All balls and no brains, but what do I know right? I bet this comes down the phallic inferiority complex with all of you "tough guys", its always a dick measuring contest with you alpha's. Call Donald, whip them out and size up, I swear to god you are all a bunch of little boys; unfortunately some of us have to live with you little boys. We need to weather this storm.

    Lets all throw stones at hornets nests, that'd be fun.
     
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    I don't think you're stupid and I hope I didn't imply it. I'm just saying I don't understand how the comments I quoted were related to the article or how they were responsive to anybody else in the thread.

    The dicks and the measuring tape are happily tucked away for everyone else, so I'd appreciate fewer insults.
     
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    My comments have to do more with the general flavor of this ban, its not about banning words. Its symbolic, they couldnt care less about LGBT language being used, what they mean by doing this, is sending a clear message that for the next three years their the big dick daddies, they make the rule and they want us to toe the line. Its a power dynamic, pure and simple. Obama was also all about symbolic gestures rather than real change and Trump is the same way, just on the other extreme; neither of are true leaders. Say what you will of Bush and Clinton before him, but they had clear agendas and were very presidential types. I dont know how much you know about American politics but its all one big dick measuring contest. The major parties care more about snubbing each other than they do about helping the people. Homosexuals and transsexuals are perceived as liberals, so by snubbing us they feel like they are sending a clear message to the democrats. Its a proxy war, if gays were republicans the democrats would fuck with us. This in my mind is little more than a big fuck you to the democrats and we are just pawns. Sadly Im neither a republican nor a democrat but Im getting rolled up in their petty bullshit. I dont mean to insult you, but I see this issue entirely differently than you. With the current polarizing climate in my country I can easily see this tension boiling over into anti-gay street violence while at the same time innocent Christians will take heat from the extremists on the other side.
     
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    I should just ban myself from political threads because I get sort of heated up, you'd think I'd know better by this point.
     
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    Jackie Ray, Obama did more for gays than any other President so regardless of your personal prejudices you need to stop twisting the facts.

    All you are doing is sucking up to the homophobic people that hate you then complain when they don't treat you with respect. Stop stereotyping all straight people as if they are out to get you because they aren't.

    How do you expect the CDC to help vulnerable groups like transgenders when they can't even mention them in their report? It takes just a modicum of common sense to deduce the implications.
     
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    What did he do for gays? Lit up the white house rainbow? or allow ISIS to brutally murder and torture Iraqi gays for weeks before acting. A truly great man.

    Ask yourself this would straight couples if given the choice choose for their child to be gay or straight? I know I have straight friends that I adore. In most genocides the majority of the population doesnt hate the victim group, they just dont care about enough to help them. Most of them wont protect us, if it happens

    I dont expect anything from the CDC.
     
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    Hey everyone,

    Please remember the Code of Conduct and keep this discussion civil. It is ok to disagree and debate, but insults are not going to be tolerated.

    A suggestion: If you are feeling too angry or heated up, remember it is ok to take a breath and leave the discussion, at least for some time. You aren't obligated to answer, especially if you are feeling too angry to write down constructive comments (i'm not implying that the person X or Y is doing this - it's just a reminder).
     
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    well said (though from my experience, the word “art” reminds me of Leonardo da Vinci and such so...lol)
     
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