I Hate LGBT Culture

Everyone has a right to their opinion. As far as the churches being forced to permit gay marriages. I don't think you understand. No one is forcing the churches to perform weddings. The govt just has to recognize those marriages that are done elsewhere as equal in the eyes of the law. My pastor from my church actually was happy to marry us. We didn't even have to ask....he brought it up.

 

I can agree with the point about it being over-sexualized. Thats whats making things hard too. Some straights associate the LGBT community with wild sex, partying, drugs, etc. So sad really. Like, sorry to say it, but the tv show Queer as Folk, its an okay show...but I didn't really enjoy it because of how overly sexual it is. I mean The L Word has a lot of sex too. but as least you see real relationships in action.

 

You sound self-hating tbh.

 

I'm sure this thread will be train wreck soon. Meh, I don't really pay attention to the 'LGBT culture'. What's the point? The media over sexualises pretty much everything, why single out the LGBT? Straight people, especially college-aged ones, party hard. Overall, I just don't have a strong opinion on this.

 

I honestly agree, and I think a lot of gay, bi, and trans people feel the same way. Personally, I don't even consider myself to be LGBT because I feel like currently it's more of a political thing than an actual way to group people. I think the silent majority is uncomfortable with the sexualization that goes on, especially older people and teenagers. Also I 100% agree on the cake and in general, people who identify strongly with the community do tend to be a bit ridiculous. I also don't like being called self hating, because this isn't who I am--I'm uncomfortable with, and tend to avoid overly-sexual, liberal LGBT spaces and me disliking them isn't the same as disliking people for their sexuality or gender.

 

I agree that it is too sexual. I also agree that if a person is not good looking its gonna be hard for him to fit in the gay community.
However, not all gay people are like that.
For example, my boyfriend and I have been dating for a month now, and we never did anything sexual. We dont like each other for how we look, we like each other for who we are.
Also straight men are the same :lol:

They love looking at pictures of naked women, they are extremely perverted in some cases. I dont see a difference, its just... Guys... Guys are like that. Well most of us.

Remember that song "Anaconda"? What do you think of straight people now? Many straight guys love the video...
Its the same thing straight or gay... Most boys are perverts... Deal with it :lol:

 

It sounds more like you hate gay male culture.

A lot of these issues can be traced back to the wider culture, though. People always pick and choose which parts of scripture to follow. Same thing with attractive people given precedence. If you're not setting these same standards to everyone else, then yeah, I agree with the other poster that it sounds self-hating.

 

What he said.

 

Could not agree more!

 

what I agree with you on:

Over-sexualized: yes, you're pretty right, but then again, it's suppose to celebrate your sexuality...but then again, it gives outsiders the idea that it's just about sex, when it is not.

Representation: I don't know.

LGBT community being silly: that particular case you brought is was silly, yes, and some people are just overly sensitive, true. Honestly, just grow thicker skin, that world's Job isn't to make you feel same, that's yours.

Religious acceptance: erm.... I don't know, again.

 

This I agree with 100%

 

While this is true, straight culture is also over sexualized. They use sex or breasts to sell everything. Look at Viagra commercials, Mardy Gras and just about every other type of object being sold. They show women in unflattering light as helpless and pretty little things who are always running around in too tight clothing, too short skirts and heels. Look at all the sex on t.v., it is not gay couples being shown having sex, it is primarily straight couples.

I have seen more ethnic gay people out there in the scene. It has nothing to do with being white. There are many types of people and bodies that you will see on the scene as well. Some of this depends upon the area you grow up in or live in as well.

It's not petty. That is why black people are treated by merchants the same as white people now. They sued because of discrimination. Turning our back on bigotry is wrong in so many ways. You do no one, most of all yourself, a favor. Also, change does not happen if everyone stays silent. These people are heroes, and telling them to turn around and walk away is telling them to turn tail and run. It is wrong. If this is not fought, then no one gains equality. The reason gays can marry now is because other gay people would not take this laying down and they fought. EVERY single right gay people(including you) have now is because of these 'petty' things you state.

Not all of us are Christians, or of one faith. There are many other valid faiths that accept and affirm gay people. I am Pagan, and my religion does affirm the LGBT culture, sexuality is a gift the God and Goddess given to us for pleasure, and to honor them. So, just because one type of religion or Bible(one version, they are all different my friend)does not say it is correct, it does not make it so. If one religion does not wish to see us as equal and worth love, then they don't have to acknowledge it. Others can and will. No one is forcing anyone to permit anything...marriage is a contract that is a legal contract, it is not the providence of religion. It has ALWAYS been a legal contract entered into for land and heirs, not for love and not because of some God.

That is my .02

 

You come on to an LGBT website and say "I hate LGBT culture". Of course you were trying to be provocative to some degree, let's not be silly. But I might be willing to let that one slide...

First of all, yes, what you are describing isn't really "LGBT culture" anymore than naked women with their bountiful bosoms hanging out in posters and movies is "straight culture". The media loves to rely on stereotypes and only portray that which is the most eye-catching, the most scandalous, and the most sexual. Even among TV shows I respect, like Modern Family, the gay couple is made up of two men who are super-flaming and slightly-less-flaming, not to mention they are exclusively friends with other gay men and all those gay men are just as flaming as they are. You'd be hard-pressed to find a media outlet that gets gay people "right". But if all I knew of "straight culture" was from the media, then my impression would be that it's a bunch of scantily clad man-obsessed women and machismo-driven men constantly getting in relationship shenanigans.

The short answer is: the media sucks.

However, there are some key points of yours I would like to address and will do so below:

1. "there is no need to advertise it and make a significant element of your identity." One man's "advertising" is another man's "existing". To some, the very idea that gay people can hold hands in public or talk about their relationship or even do almost anything else that straight people do freely is "advertising" it. You don't have to climb to the top of the apartment building and shout "I like dick!" to advertise it. Yet gay people are all the time accused of "flaunting" for doing things that straight people do without even a slap on the wrist. Secondly, a lot of people don't start out wanting to make it part of their identity, but that becomes more of a necessity if you are bullied or targeted for your sexuality. Yes, lucky for those who never have to experience that, but for those that do, it becomes more of your identity, especially if you want to participate in the fight against discrimination. It doesn't mean that it must consume your identity, but there are valid reasons why people identify with it.

2. "I know it is not right and it is discrimination, but to issue legal proceedings is so over the top." Yes, the old "cake wars" issue. There are times when I see these cases of small-town bakeries being hounded for not creating gay marriage cakes and I must question whether or not the fight for LGBT rights has lost relevant issues to fight about. I would have no desire to force a bakery that is opposed to homosexual unions to make a cake for one against their will. Why would any self-respecting gay person want to do this? That said, this issue unfortunately can lead to problematic bills like "religious freedom" laws in America that, while in the guise of religious freedom, are ultimately laws that allow discrimination against LGBT people. So while the "cake wars" issue is quite silly itself, that doesn't mean that all issues LGBT people take seriously are. The "cake wars" one is only one small line away from being something more serious, and something that could lead to unfortunate discriminatory legislation. Perhaps you may want to read up on other issues LGBT people are fighting, including in other non-first-world nations, where being LGBT can get you jailed or killed. It doesn't stop at cakes.

3. "You cannot claim to follow the entire religion when you pick and choose the parts you like and ignore the rest." Tell that to the anti-gay crowd who so rely on cherry-picked verses of the Bible like Leviticus 18:22 to justify their anti-gay stance but conveniently ignore other equally valid Biblical verses. It seems we've already addressed the religious issue, but as another user said, the pro-same-sex-marriage movement is not about compelling churches and other religious institutions to perform gay marriages, it is about a legal secular recognition of their validity. Indeed some churches already perform gay marriages and they should have the right to do so. But ultimately this is about the legal benefits of marriage. No one would expect religious institutions to violate their own beliefs. That said, it isn't as cut-and-dry as you portray it. There are religious LGBT people out there who do not believe that their religion opposes it so clearly as you claim. And I don't think they take kindly to being accused of cherry-picking either, but that is another very complex issue that even I've had trouble with myself, so I'm not here to lecture, but only to remind you that none of this is as simple as it seems.

 

You had me until here...

Please tell the bigoted Christians that they are wrong to condemn people to hell. They are not God. I am not ashamed to be a Christian, but I follow Jesus' example which is one of humility and not judging others. He said to love thy neighbor, not damn thy neighbor to hell. I am sick and tired of certain Christians getting all over me for standing against discrimination. While these same people cry "foul" every time a Muslim wears a hijab or calls to prayer, they are perfectly fine with imposing their cultural view on everyone. Then, these very same people drive their kids to suicide. I am not trying to be provocative either, but this is a real problem. Until you have lived it and utterly hate yourself, then you won't necessarily understand what I am talking about. I still have to fight self-loathing everyday. So, I am not going sit down and shut up while people talk crap about my community. These are my friends and role models at my LGBT center. I love and care about them very much.

I am not trying to attack you when I say this, but you need to understand where I am coming from.

 

This is one aspect of the original poster's complaint that I feel has merit. There is a severe deficit of social connectedness in the gay community that is manifested in its high suicide rate and substance abuse problems. That so much of the social scene is centered on short term sexual relationships causes biases to dominate in favor of more attractive, younger people.

For an oppressed minority, this kind of cultural shortcoming ought to be more of an embarrassment to us, than it is. We ought to care a bit more for each other, than we do.

 

So is the idea that you hope to persuade people to change the culture that you believe is beneath you?