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I Hate LGBT Culture

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by 2Sides, May 6, 2016.

  1. Eveline

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    Keep in mind that the fact that you know about the lawsuit shows that this lawsuit went beyond simple litigation for the sake of profit. It works in a similar way as a class action suit, in many cases the monetary gain is irrevelevant, the idea is to stop harmful actions through a lawsuit. This was a symbolic act intended to raise awareness to an act of discrimination connected to religion. Look at how things have escalated since then with so many religious freedom laws. In a sense it was fighting to stop this escalation by showing in court that it is unlawful to discriminate in the name of religion.
     
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    I do agree with this. Many LGBT people go overboard with what they want. The way I see it, if you want people to like you then you have to be willing to understand their point of view (well, unless if they think you should be executed or something).

    You must keep in mind the reason some people feel the way they do is because they were molded into their beliefs. They believe what they believe because of how they grew up. If you want to change them, then you need to start by making it seem like you're no different than anyone else they know. Seem respectable, like you really just want people to mind their own business. If gay pride parades were all just people in jeans and T-Shirts holding up signs asking for acceptance, then I believe the LGBT rights movement would go along much more smoothly.

    I kind of go with this saying, if your sexuality is one of the first things I know about you, then I probably won't have a good outlook on you. (with a few obvious exceptions like if someone else told me or if I see you holding hands with someone).


    Also, I don't think we should be saying "proud to be LGBT". I think we should be saying "proud to accept myself as being LGBT", because there's no pride in just who you are. There's pride in how you present and accept yourself.
     
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    Just to expound on my point. What if the act of discrimination by the bakery is a tiny speck in a vast pattern of discrimination that plagues the US and the world. That hundreds of thousands of LGBT people have been refused services or kicked out of establishments in the name of the religious beliefs of people. Hundreds of thousands of people suffered a tiny cut because of this issue. Together the tiny cuts become a huge gashing wound that keeps on growing How do you bring attention to this problem if not through a lawsuit that you can win? Every event is seemingly minor but when added together suddenly you have a very serious problem that has hurt so many people over the years. The gay couple are heroes in my eyes because they decided to stand up against this pattern of discrimination at most likely a high personal cost. Do you think it is easy to put yourself in the spotlight, going out against religious bigotry and it is not risky to anger anti LGBT groups or fanatic religious people.
     
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    Hey 2Sides

    I mostly agree with you on the issues you pointed out, but disagree on others.

    Firstly, yeah you are being provocative, but isn't that the point of making these threads?

    About the over-sexualization of the LGBT culture, well you said it yourself: the media often portrays the most unusual things about it, because that's how they make money. So we shouldn't generalize the whole gay community. It's true(ok, this is up for debate, but I believe that anyway), however, that gay men are, as a whole, much more promiscuous, not because we're gay, but because we're men. Now, I know I'm generalizing a whole gender, but I remember a study with gay and lesbians in an American city (maybe SF or LA), which showed that gay men had many more sexual partners and casual sex than the lesbians. Of course there are women who are much more promiscuous than men though.

    I understand that pride parades are usually like a circus and I used to be a bit against it, but nowadays I think that 1)People have the right to be that ridiculous and 2) This is something I heard some time ago: If you don't think pride goers represent you, why don't you go there to show that not every gay men is a wild shirtless animal?

    Oh, and as others have already pointed out, the straight community isn't really conservative in sexual manners either.

    I don't really think you have to be attractive or belong to a certain race to be part of the LGBT community (Honestly, what the hell is the LGBT community anyway?). There are so many subgroups in it. But I agree that the media often shows a restricted kind of it.

    I'm not a big fan of PDA either, but if straight couples can do it, queer ones should be free to do it as well.

    I agree on the cake wars thing. It's petty and silly. Others will say that these serve as a message against discrimination, which is correct, but I support the freedom of owners of private businesses to refuse service to whoever they want, just like we have the right to invite only those we want to our house.

    The same applies to the Church issue you pointed out. They have every right to not recognize gay marriage in the spiritual sphere , but not in the legal/civil one. Queer people are taxpayers just like the rest and should be treated by the government in the same way, or we'll be undeniably second-class citizens.
     
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    Nah, I just wanted to talk about some things that were bothering me. What will I gain from being provocative?
     
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    By provocative I mean causing discussion and not being insulting, if that's what you thought.
     
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    It's interesting how people have come here to chime in claiming that pride parades are sexualized in as much as people are inappropriately dressed. I have been to three pride parades in Montana, and that has never been the case. It is certainly not the case that pride parades are all the same; some areas, such as Montana, require a more low key approach based on their neanderthal populations.
     
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    I will have to agree that it's relative. In part it's our mentality as a minority to crave acceptance by the dominant culture.

    That said, there are always double standards. There's a very naughty event called Southern Decadence in NOLA, if you complain about that, you best also complain about Mardi Gras.
     
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    Agreed AlamoCity. Everyone seems to forget the Folsom Street Fair as well, which is a staple in the BDSM community and primarily heterosexuals......
     
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    What's also interesting when these issues about Pride come up (which they do virtually every year around Pride time) how many of the people complaining about how overly sexual Pride is or the behavior of people at Pride have never actually been to Pride but are basing it off of what 'the media' show or what they've seen on some YouTube video or something.

    And yes, there are double standards all over the place - Western civ is practically bathing in non-stop straight sexuality 24/7, but it's apparently unnoticed by most in the same way a fish doesn't notice all the water around.

    At the end of the day, LGBT people should be able to engage in any level of public romantic/sexual expression that straight people can - no other option is acceptable.

    Todd
     
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    I agree somewhat.
     
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    Hmm... from the first lost I feel like this is more about gay male culture... There are fun aspects about that and aspects that I think can be taken overboard. For example, teh stereotype of fashionable trend setting fun-loving gay guys = yes, that seems fun and harmless; drag queens who are clearly actually misogynistic in the way they poke fun at women = no thanks; the guys in the small paert of the first ep. Of UK QaF that I watched that talked about themselves and other guys like Total sexual objects = nooooo I will not be watching this show.

    Queer girls... I'm into the tomboy thing, I'm into the hipster thing, I'm into smashing gender roles like a badass and feminism and I like all the girlxgirl relationships popping up in TV shows recently etc. I mean the only things I don't like about it are girls who try way too hard to make everything political I can't even keep up and studs who try to hard. Just attention-seekers and try-hards really. And you get those everywhere.

    In terms of filing lawsuits. As someone said... that's not being pretty - that's how you get rights. I'm sure people thought Rosa Parks was being very petty. When a woman got sacked because she got pregnant, I'm sure if she tried to sue, people would've said she was petty, becuase after all, she did something to get sacked. It's not about the individual case it's about standing up for your rights. Thats how big, non petty changes happen.
     
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    All of our experiences are different.

    The public arena is for everyone to share. I understand people can say or do whatever they want in public but sometimes it comes across obnoxious.

    It is a bit like someone who feels the need to make their voice heard over others because they think they are far more important or assume they should be heard because everyone will be interested in it.
     
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    I can agree with you that sexual racism exists and is a problem within certain parts of gay male culture. For example, I've read the thinkpieces from Asian Americans talking about their heartbreaking exclusion from white gay male community. But that agreement is about as far as it goes.

    You're just repeating reductive and assimilationist claims about LGBT culture.

    I don't believe you at all when you say "I'm not attempting to be provocative here... I want to see my views scrutinised, which may even lead me to change my opinion."
     
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    So what? You haven't actually addressed what I am saying. The public arena is for everyone to share. Just because you got a big mouth, does not mean everyone wants to hear what you have to say or will respect it. It is not even about gay people celebrating. It is more to do with how they celebrate.

    I have changed my opinion on a few issues. Read it up on this topic. If I don't agree with you, then it means you are obviously not doing something right.
     
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    Just to ask;

    If you were a baker, and a religious couple wanted to get married and were talking about their vow to God [say if you wanted to know more about their big day], without knowing their stance for/against LGBT, would you bake a cake for them? If you refused their service on the basis of their religious marriage ceremony, would you want them to sue?

    Also, anybody know pride events in the UK that don't feature sexual activity [kissing and hand holding is fine]? I don't think it's okay on the streets whatever the orientation of couple, so I wouldn't go there if it was.
     
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    I have noticed the same exact thing. I have also noticed that those who complain about Pride Parades or other LGBT people in general, are usually those that are closeted, or only out to maybe one person. I think more exposure to all of us in the LGBT culture makes it so people can't pass judgement on something they know nothing about. They then have to accept that we are not ALL one way or another, that we don't all fit the stereotypes that are perpetuated by straight society and the media. That type of thought and attitude is sadly a byproduct of straight society and socialization.
     
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    Ohh, there is so much I could say about this post, but I am too lazy to argue right now... so naaah.

    I am gonna say one thing though about the nitpicking religion part of your post and how homos shouldn't expect to get accepted by churches and religious institutions. Now I am not religious at all, in fact I despise religion. However, this statement you made is ridiculous because well... to be fair religious people are the worst nitpickers of all. You know the old testament has the most crazy scripture about killing your own children and not wearing certain garments together, not working on the sabbath etc. Basically 0% of all christians follow these rules, so why is it so "ridiculous" to expect churches and religious insitutions to accept homosexuals when there is little to no scripture even talking about homosexuality. The little scripture that there is on the subject shouldn't even be considered by christians as valid, unless they also follow the other scripture in the OT. Otherwise they are nothing but big fat hypocrites.
     
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    I'm sure some of the things I'm about to say have already been said by people in this thread.

    1. Yes, the LGBT community is insanely oversexualized. Most of these ads are created by straight people who don't really care about what being gay is actually like, and only care about selling an image. This happens with "lesbian" porn. The makers of the porn are not concerned with portraying an accurate image of a sexual relationship between two women, they usually just want to appeal to straight men. As for the costumes, I don't see how that's a big deal. People do that on Halloween and nobody bats an eyelash.

    2. The gory details of a person's sex life are private, however, sex is something that has to be talked about in order to educate and inform people. Sex education is incredibly important, especially in the LGBT community, so that people have a better understanding of how to be safe and have consensual sex.

    3. I don't think that a couple issuing a legal proceeding to a shop that is refusing to make them a cake because of their identity to be "petty". It is very apparent that it isn't about the cake itself. What if every shop decided they were going to discriminate toward LGBT people? Now there are no shops for LGBT people to go to. Not allowing gay people to go into certain shops or be served because the owner is super bigioted is stupid. We don't need to repeat the 1950s-1960s again.
     
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    LGBT Culture may seem outrageous; frankly, I think it's great. The things that, I think, are part of LGBT Culture are: a passion for learning; music, painting, poetry, sculpture, dance, & theater; of course, the Gay Pride Parade; the Mattachine Society; remembering Stonewall which was the initial start of the Gay Rights Movement; National Coming Out Day; remembering Harvey Milk; (these may not be apart of LGBT Culture) but, the LGBT Community gives rise to biological advances such as: Artificial Insemination; (I think it's called gene splicing?); surrogate mothers; adoption; I also speculate that there are a diverse set of individuals among the LGBT Community which makes it even more honoring. You must also take into consideration that 23 to 24 countries recognize same-sex marriage plus a little more (that's only about 11 to 12% of all the countries on the globe); so, the LGBT rights and integration among society as a whole still has to mature and evolve.
     
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