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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Jellyfish Clear, May 11, 2016.

  1. Matto_Corvo

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    I'm not saying there isn't an issue.

    But I just strongly disagree when people say that white people can't experience racism because they have privilage. Privilege does not exclude you from being discriminated against. If that were the case then rich minorities aren't discriminated against either.
    The funny thing about racism is that it doesn't actually discriminated. It effects everyone.
    And I will post this link again because people seem confused about the definition of racism

    here you go
     
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    *shrugs* I didn't mean to imply it was widespread, or anything. As far as I know, it's mostly Japan, and a fascinating with England, Germany, US. No doubt, the western occupation probably strengthened these feelings, but Japan has always stood out among Asian countries in that they wanted to be seen and treated as equals early on. They embraced western technology and reforms, and didn't want to end up carved like other nations.

    It's probably similar to how everyone wanted to be Roman, back in the day. It's pretty damn difficult to completely shut yourself off from the rest of the world in the 21st century, and more so with a power like the US. Perhaps it is strange (many things about Japan are), but are they harmful, to a culture that actively wishes to spread its influence across the globe?

    The difference is they're not being forced to.

    @Matt rich minorities are definitely not safe from racism, either. See how Oprah has been followed around upscale stores, and accused of theft. Serena Williams is often made fun of for having a "masculine" body, no doubt her skin color and black heritage playing a part in those jabs.

    It gets confusing when you throw in things like different countries and their definitions of whiteness, however, it's generally seen as an advantage in most places. Whether it be a preference for lighter skin, misconceptions of westerners being wealthy, or enforced segregation, I don't think it's fair at all to compare it to what racial minorities face, at least in the US.

    Just like I don't buy into the idea of heterophobia. Or cisphobia. Or misandry. People will disagree.
     
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    It's not trying to push an agenda. It's just showing what's going on in campuses. The suspending of those classes isn't censorship anymore than not allowing young earth creationism to be taught is. They're not saying that people can't have these opinions, they're saying that they just shouldn't be taught in public academia as a fact, because they aren't. And this isn't just gender studies. It courses on whiteness, power structures, and all that jazz. There's nothing objective to back them up, so they shouldn't be taught. On top of that, they don't encourage people's thoughts to be challenged, just to go and get indoctrinated into thinking a a certain way, so I guess they want to suspend them until they can be turned around to something much better, and less dangerous. This doesn't include law social justice, those are 100% fine.

    There are classes that literally teach that "whiteness" is bad, especially in Portland community college and Missouri. I think this is what they're talking about. Either way, they're not forcing this on anyone. It is simply a suggestion. The petition is just a way of showing that" so much people, this amount, don't want bullcrap being taught in universities, and that crazy Marxist professors who promote this should be replaced". I think that's it.

    I don't know about your experiences, but you probabbly know better than I do. So, I don't really know what to say now. Perhaps you're just lucky and go to less SJW-ish universities? That is possible. Either way it's not an ideology in the slightest, just a bunch of independent thinkers who see a problem, and want to do something before it becomes too out of hand.
     
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    Indeed.

    But as to the original topic of the thread...

    Racism is defined as "the notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior" (Websters). That said, any behaviour which discriminates against another person because of race is racism. Regardless of who is the more or less likely, statistically, to do the discriminating.

    Though in the end I don't understand racism at all. The variance of races among people, like sexuality, adds beauty and variety to the world. It is not a bad thing to be a different race, and it is sad that people still get up in arms over races because of the discrimination which unfortunately still exists. The way I see it, there is only one race: the human race. And every human should be treated with the same dignity and care.
     
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    I support this post


    @grave
    I do agree racial miniorites have it so much worse. I will never argue otherwise.

    When I say there is racism towards white people I mean there ate people who treat white people shit for being white. There are small group of people that will treat others like shit because they are white, or cis, or hetero, of male.
    I'm not saying it is a very common thing, but it does happen. A small group of people believe that because they have been wrong they should wrong others right back. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

    Also Serena Williams is badass and people should leave her alone
     
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    You don't have to tell me. I grew up surrounded by mostly Mexican and African American people, and saw how whites were occasionally singled out and bullied.

    Funny thing: before college and using the internet, the only white people I came across were oaky or wiggers (or some combination of the two). Not only do I realize they were a minority among minorities, but that they were far from representing your "average" white person!
     
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    I got called a cracker once! :frowning2:
     
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    Ok, those of you who don't get how privilege impacts racism, or who believe that there is racism against white people... Sorry, but you are simply ignorant of the facts.

    Unless you have actually studied systems of oppression, taken a course in the psychology of prejudice, or otherwise taken time to truly educate yourselves by actually srudying the literature in the field... Sorry, but your opinions are uninformed, and you come across as ignorant.

    I cannot speak for systemic oppression outside of the U.S., but here in the US, racism exists, and no matter what, institutionalized white privilege is so present, prevalent, and woven into our system at all levels that any argument that whites experience ant sort of institutionalized or systemic racism is... Simply bullshit.

    I don't have the time to write pages on this, but in short, there are so many inherent disadvantages that out-group minorities still experience, in every part of society, that whit privilege, and the advantages that white people have received, and continue to receive, make for a very unbalanced playing field.

    There are many excellent books on the topic, and nearly every college has courses on the impact of oppression, and the systemic nature of the advantages that the dominant groups have. If you've not studied this material, sorry, but you are speaking out of ignorance and an opinion built on ignorance is not even worth sharing, to be honest, because it doesn't contribute to the conversation.

    Do your research, or kindly don't persist in demonstrating just how ignorant you are. All you do is make yourself look foolish, racist, and ignorant.
     
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    .....are...you...actually saying... That one has FUCKING STUDY, NO ACTUALLY STUDY RACISM in university to actually get it, and otherwise my opinion is ignorant??!! Last time i checked according to your logic, i'm a person of colour who would know everything about being opressed because i apparently face this everyday....ah,well, contradictions are an SJW trademark anyways...

    *sigh* anyways, if you actually think this...

    Can you give me one specific example of institutionalized racism in he USA that happened in recent years?

    How can a white supremacist society be run by a black president?

    Who the hell runs this opressive system?

    Are immigrants from albania also part of this opressive system?

    If this system is sooooo fucking prevalent and visible give me a specific example of it in place?

    Are you saying that all POC are opressed and have no control over their lives, because our "white supremacist system" already does that for them?

    Please answer these questions.

    You know what, i have actually seen these textbooks before, when i was like 12, my mom brought them from her university and encouraged me to read them. At first, i thought they were so accurate and explained a lot of things. But i know better now. I ran across a video on youtube criticizing it, and it seems like a crock of horsehit.
     
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    Racism is basically the "Belief that ALL people of a certain race believe and act a certain way". I know black people that will tell you that every white person is racist, that in itself if a racist comment. So yes racism against whites does exist, (and not just among blacks). I had a Japanese friend in school that said that all white people were lazy, again that's racist against whites.

    Racism in any form against any race is wrong.
     
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    there can be racism against any group. anytime one group is singled out for what ever there is racism. saying whites are imune to racism is as racist as saying POC are inferior to whites. i am white and have been called a racist based just on my skin colour. that is as racist as saying a black person is a criminal based on colour, a First Nations person is lazy based on colour, a person from the middle east must be a terrorist based on ethnic/geographic origin, Scotts are stingey, Irish are drunks, latinos have bad tempers, etc. anything that demeans or discriminates against a person or identifable group is racism.
     
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    Non-whites are more likely to be homeless and in poverty. Get over it. You get so many benefits from being white. Just admit it and stop acting like a wounded hippo when the obvious is pointed out to you.
     
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    Black lives matter is so racist I mean my gosh like Asians don't matter? Hispanics don't matter? Whites don't matter? Other races don't matter? #AllLivesMatterDamnit and their was this one black girl and she was being so racist to this one white guy who had dreads and she's like "you can't have that this is my culture" and he's like "um no it isn't the Egyptians created this"
    Here's the video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLZivnMW_8 and the best part is she's all over black lives matter and is an activist for it.
     
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    Black people are SOOOOOO annoying when it comes to racism.

    BLA BLA BLA MA ANCESTORS BLA BLA SLAVERY BLA BLA. Like Jews. BLA BLA BLA HOLOCAUST BLA BLA MA HOMELAND, BLA BLA.

    Ah shut up. No one did f*ck all to you. So do one.
     
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    What are you even rambling out, 2Sides? First you come on here to say non-whites have it harder and that white people have benefits, then you accuse black people of being whiny. You are the most incoherent scatterbrained person I've ever seen on this site and that's really saying something.
     
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    I can say whatever I want. I'm not out there to impress you. Oh you spotted a contradiction? Oh that must be your ability to read between the lines. I'm so impressed. *claps*
     
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    so when i was homeless and on welfare, that was what? my privilage? pennence? debt for things done by others decades or centurys ago? now living as a single parent, barely making it cheque to cheque? i should what? be grateful that im not a POC? privilage may exist but to paint everyone who is white as privilaged is as racist as painting everyone who is black as criminal or lesser. just people on an individual basis not on skin colour, to do otherwise is in itself racist.:bang:
     
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    Ugh, the puberty is strong in this one. Can't wait for the disingenuous declarations of "I don't care!"

    I'll just be laughing when you get banned.

    Now to add you to my ignore list...and done. :grin:
     
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    Why are you sharing this sob story to me? You have access to the internet now so I guess you're doing okay. Look at the rest of world and then compare your life to theirs. You're doing well.

    White people simply have a better start in life. They don't have to deal with all that extra rubbish other ethnicities have to deal with (racism, discrimination). Besides it doesn't mean ethnic minorities should rant about their negative experiences because it starts to sound annoying.