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What does feminism mean to you?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by AnotherQueer, May 14, 2016.

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  1. OGS

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    For me it's nothing more than the notion that women aren't inherently inferior to men and that society would benefit from being more mindful of that. It absolutely floors me that people have the nerve to be vocally opposed to it.
     
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    I just love how all these feminism posts derived from me saying "feminism is cancer tho" on one thread.
     
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    I like the original concept of fair treatment of women. Of course they deserve the vote, an individual identity and all these brilliant things that people have fought for in the past.

    However, I think that many modern feminists have lost their way. It is entirely unacceptable to hate on men. We can't keep on ignoring the issues that men face- I believe that sexism towards men is a real problem which should be addressed. Individuals should be treated with respect and decency; and I think this sort of value should take a higher position on the feminist stage. I also think that many feminists seem to be creating issues when there aren't any. This sort of thing is also a problem.
     
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    How much have you looked into the feminist movement? Surely you should know at least why some people oppose it.
     
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    I've actually read quite a bit about it and I know quite a lot about the "arguments" against it. I just think they're rubbish.
     
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    Look at all these feminist preaching equality...23 Quotes From Feminists That Will Make You Rethink Feminism | Thought Catalog
     
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    Yeah and I read stuff on this board all the time that kinda makes me wonder about gay people but luckily I know an awful lot of other gay people, so... I'm good.:lol:
     
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    Ah,I see. It's been a while since I've done about feminism in history, so of course my knowledge is not infallible in any way. Now that you mention it, that actually does sound familiar. I must read into this subject more when I have the time. It's caught my attention now.

    "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"- Newton's third law. Now I know this law only applies to physical forces, but I think in some ways this logic could also be applied to society at large.

    For every LGBT movement there is one against it.

    For every women's rights movement this is one against it.

    For every peaceful movement for equality, you are bound to find a more radicalised version. And vice-versa.

    Every group that has faced oppression or hatred has two sides.

    Malcolm X VS the methods of Martin Luther King.

    Extremist feminists VS the suffragists.

    The gay shame movement VS the mainstream LGBT movement.

    It's just how it is. But I think to throw aside feminism completely would serve as a massive disservice to those that suffered for the cause. To those who suffered from the cat and mouse act, to those who threw themselves at horses just because they didn't want to live in such a world anymore. To those that became Martyrs to their cause. To those women who stood up and said "NO" when they were told to get back in their place when the war ended.

    To those women who fought for the equal pay act which was passed in 1970, after there was a strike by sewing machinists working for Ford in 1968. I would suggest to watch the film "Made in Dagenham" as it is a film based on the this event. How accurate it is, I cannot say.

    I know people who are against the LGBT community because they think that we're all like the people who hang about on Tumblr. They think we all identify as cats or something stupid like that. It's laughable, but sadly there are more people than you think who will just look at either the extremists or not really related nut-jobs and think "yep, that's why I don't support these people".

    People come in to learn about a movement or a specific culture, but the first thing they see is the extremists of the group. After all, it isn't always the person who makes the most logical sense who is heard the most- it's often the one who shouts the loudest. And just because an opinion is popular, doesn't make it an absolute fact unless there is evidence of such. All it means is that the opinion in question is the easiest to swallow. Interpret that as you will.
     
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    And most people who support feminism are either brightly-hair coloured lesbians, woman who have no plans on being mothers( I wonder if that's why they never bring up the fact that America is the only country in the west that has no maternal leave), or manginas who hate themselves. Coincidence much? I think not.
     
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    You can quote extremists until you're blue in the face but it still won't represent the entire group. You can find "23 quotes" from any group and use them to discredit them.

    There are equally abysmal quotes from atheists, Christians, Muslims, Republicans...would inflammatory quotes from those groups discredit them?
     
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    Both these comments might be a bit out of hand?
     
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    I think feminism at its core is equal rights for all, regardless of sex.
    I know there are some who kind of blow it out of proportion and act like all men are the enemy, so feminism kind of gets a bad wrap.
    I think feminism also gets a bad wrap from the people who think that women striving for equal rights is a threat to their masculinity.
     
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    Yeah
    Goes back to what I originally posted.
    I do not believe in any way that feminism is a bad thing, it certainly didn't start out that way.
    But currently it is being pulled every which way by people with radically different views on what the end goal should be.
     
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    1. What's wrong with a lesbian being a feminist?
    2. What's wrong with someone not wanting to have children?
    3. The term "self hating manginas" is wildly transphobic towards trans men and also shames men who have a different opinion than you.


    To me, feminism simply means the equality of all people. This means that I believe that feminism needs to be intersectional and listen to the needs of all people, regardless of race, gender, class, religion, etc. I am a feminist because I believe in the equality of all people. Does that mean I love everything about feminism? No. There are certain wings of feminism that are wildly transphobic, shame sex workers, sex shame, and are centered about white upper class female voices, and I tend to stay away from those sects. To the question of why these radicals don't deter me away from feminism entirely, I have found out that there are radicals in all movements, including others I'm involved in like atheists and other LGBTQ people. As someone who has questioned their gender for the longest time and just came to the conclusion that I'm gender nonconforming, wildly transphobic people within the LGBTQ movement and also the alternative right wing and racist parts are all ones I stay away from. Feminism has been a wonderful influence on me and I'm proud to say my parents raised me to be a feminist. I have never been shamed by any feminist for being in a DMAB body, and the only shaming I've ever encountered due to my sexualities, gender, and relationship status (being in a multiracial relationship) have been alt right MRAs and MGTOWs who perpetuated the "mangina" argument that is wildly transphobic and offensive.
     
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    I agree with this. Also it's a very nice post, I might add.

    The 'original' intent of the movement was to create equality for women at a time where it was very lacking. It doesn't state it in the original definition but it was never meant to be at the expense of men. That's not equality in any shape or form. The radical modern feminism that some people are upset about is not the same thing. I don't know why these people have these views, I'm not going to try to understand ignorant, or prejudiced people.

    What can we do about this as people who support feminism as it was in the past? We can stress are stances and how they differ from the radicals. We can stress people to educate themselves on all aspects of the movement. What we can't do is stop the radical feminists from speaking. (Even if we really want to) So long as they are not legally hurting others they have the right to spew nonsense. We can choose to ignore them. The more people aggressively attack these people, imo, gives them more fuel.

    I'm curious, I don't think anyone here is arguing for women or anybody to not have equality. Which is, again what feminism was at the start. So is it just a definition problem or technical word thing?
     
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    1. Nothing. Just an observation
    2. Nothing. Just an observation
    3. Am I talking about trans men though? Do you even know what a mangina is? A mangina is a guy who supports intersectional feminism without question. Just like steve shives. They usually have really dumb ideas, and advocate really dumb things, and people have the right to find other things silly and make fun of them and shame them, and those people they are shaming have a right to keep doing what they're doing. None will stop them. It's called freedom of speech.

    MRA's aren't alt-right, atleast most of them aren't. They are usually liberal anti-sjws. They don't like intersectional feminism because:

    1. It treats women like a special class over men
    2. It treats people of color like a special class over white people.
    3. They ignore mens issues and actively try to shut them down when brought up.
    4. They have a serious victim complex!
    5. The only advocate for issues that fit their agenda.
    6. They block out all oposition. Actively.
    7. They shame women who don't support them saying that they have "internalized misogyny".
    8. They fail to see people as human beings. To them, everyones a race,colour,gender expression, sexual orientation ad infinitum... What happened to hudging by character and merit? Seriously?!
    9. When people point out their bullshit, they resort to the dictionary definition of feminism, and say that's what they are EVEN THOUGH THEMIR GOD DAMN ACTIONS SAY OTHERWISE.
    10. They have a significant amount of influence. From MTV to gamergate. But then again, the media and most journalism currently has an extreme left bias, so...

    Please don't write back telling me that you don't support this. I know you might not. But there's a really loud group that does, and you should atleast acknowledge them and call them out. And also don't radical feminists sort of indicate something internally wrong with te movement? Like why would they happen, if something wasn't ok? Where else do radiclas get their ideas from?
     
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    I shake my head sometimes myself....but then again we are very close in age, so the youngsters posting on this actually do not remember what it was like for our Moms, and for women, now in their 40's. They have gotten all the positive things from the blood, sweat, and tears of our Foremothers, such as equal access to jobs, colleges and promotions that were only previously given to men, yet they don't realize why this is so now. :lol:
     
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    I'm sad to see that you don't see what I'm trying to say about the "mangina" thing. By saying that, you are not only being transphobic but are also perpetuating toxic masculinity by saying that men who are feminists are emasculated and aren't "real men". I hope you do reconsider that.

    But I also don't support any of those positions, and I feel like in many of these you're either straw manning or blatantly rewriting narratives to fit your agend, like you're claiming feminists do. Intersectional feminism does not treat women or people of color as a superior class, and DOES see people as people, they just realize that different people will have different lived experiences based upon identities they hold, and I don't really see how that equates to them not seeing everyone as people. They also do not ignore men's issues as well because sexual assault and other issues feminists discuss also affect men, and the people I have seen doing delegitimization of male assault like the case of Matthew Santaro have been MRAs. And when it comes to media bias, I would argue that in many cases that media is actually biased towards the right on many issues, especially when it comes to the false neutrality fallacy.

    I realize that feminism has problems, but they are not the problems you speak of.
     
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    I guess I'm trying to figure out which of these I am. I mean I guess I don't have any plans of becoming a mother...:icon_wink
     
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    So what problems are they if the ones i bring uo aren't legit? Breaking a false fingernail while doing manual labor??!!

    EDIT: i responded to you paragraph by paragraph. Sorry if it's hard to read!

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    So what problems are they if the ones i bring uo aren't legit? Breaking a false fingernail while doing manual labor??!!

    ---------- Post added 15th May 2016 at 09:10 PM ----------

    But why do you take personal offense? If people can't handle rude things being said to them, then don't say rude things first, is what i was trying to establish with that. BELIEVE ME ILL KEEP MY MOUTH CLEAN UNLESS DEEMED NECESSARY.
     
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