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Struggling to see way ahead after coming out to wife

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Highlander2, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. link4816

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    My new relationship with my wife includes me dropping "reminders" that I am gay with some regularity. My wife almost never brings it up anymore and instead reverts back to the way things used to be. When I bring it up - by making comments about certain guys or by telling some story about by dsily experiences from a gay man's point of view - my wife acknowledges me as if nothing is out of the ordinary, but I always feel awkward delivering the reminders despite her casual attitude about them. I bring up these topics intentionally because I don't want to pretend like I am not gay when I am with her. This is my way of dealing with the rest of my inauthentic daily life. It is not a perfect fix for the ickiness I feel in concealing this part of me from the rest of the world, but it helps a lot.
     
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    So another update. It's hard. It's really hard. My wife is being so reasonable. So small and fragile. I end up feeling protective. Like I just want to protect her and make everything okay again. But do I feel sexually attracted to her? I feel when we're together it's comfortable, soft, gentle, and we can have a laugh. Do I feel like I'm in love with her; that I could get back into bed and go back to what we had before? I struggle with that as a reality. I so much want to be her friend and keep that protected. Then I have my kids. I love them with every part of me. I would happily die to protect them. And I would do anything to avoid hurting them. So where does that leave me?

    And then I think about him. His smile. His eyes. His smell. The way he lies back on me with his head on my chest and my arm round his neck and chest. The feeling of total relaxation and comfort I have with this man when we chill out. His sense of humour. The feeling I get wanting to take care of him, to protect him too.

    And then I stop. Then the cold reality of everything hits me. I am cheating on my wife for the first time in my life. There is an unstoppable force inside me pushing me onwards. I look at my wife and think - we did have fun, we did have a happy life, and then I think again and think, yeah but we had sex once a month at most, I ended up feeling irritated by stupid things in life, I see a cute guy at the swimming pool and I'd end up taking my kids around the pool so I can check him, his chest, his face, his package in his shorts out; I ended up watching gay porn to get my fill of satisfying myself and then, I meet someone who I click with and it hits me like a train.

    This is killing me. I just wish I could wave a magic wand and this would resolve itself. I feel I can't be 'overly nice' to my wife as it gives her some hope that I am somehow still able to love her the way she wants and she loves me. I tell myself that I could, couldn't I? That I could work on getting the sexual feeling back, rather than the comfortable, warm feeling of protectiveness (tinged with massive guilt) that I have. The sort of feeling you get with a long term, close friend? I enjoy watching a movie with her. We sit on separate sofas though, and have done for months (years?). I can't remember the last time we sat and snuggled up together.

    I've been sleeping in the spare room for the last two months and more. I've not once felt the urge to go through and sleep with her. I feel guilt, yes. I feel cold in my bed. Once or twice I've felt so guilty and sad that I have almost - almost - gone back into the bed to somehow make things okay. But I've always stopped myself.

    Round and round and round and round I go. I am terrified of staying - that somehow I will shut off an avenue of the rest of my life, that I will never be able to be me, that I will never be able to express the real me, the me that is causing me so much turmoil. I am terrified of going - that somehow I will have given up a part of me that did actually make me happy most of the time, but could never satisfy a desire and inner need I've held since being a young teenager and seeing a guy in my class get changed for football and being instantly smitten both by his body and massive c**k! I dreamed about him - and other guys at school - for years, and knew I would never really be able to do anything about it. By leaving, I am scared that I give up everything and might end up alone, lonely and without someone special in my life. Do I stay in a marriage that is not fulfilling me and run the risk that I end up being eaten up by the feeling of frustration and lack of fulfilment.
     
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    or do you enjoy yourself, date, and find a man who complements you and you him. :icon_bigg

    (option 3, of course!)
     
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    Hi Highlander. Yes - 'round and round and round'...been there and still am! Your dilemma and mine are so similar. I am just letting time go by I suppose to allow my wife to come to terms and to decide what she wants for the future. Now is not a good time for me to simply move out although I am not sure when there will be a good time. The scenario I would like however is to be able to live nearby my family; for the relationship to be good; and to be able to live my own life and have a boyfriend or partner. Is this having my cake and eating it ? And so I am planning small steps towards this. But it feels like this may take.. not months but years. Coming out as gay is the easy bit..the rest of it is hard.
     
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    Highlander 2 -
    Have a Happy Christmas
    Apropos to nothing...my family's from Stirling...1st generation here.
     
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    Highlander, what you have described is not much of a marriage. Your wife may not realize it yet but she can have so much more in life. Watching movies on different sofas and having sex once a month is not enough for a woman. It is no your fault that you can't give her what she needs. It's not her fault that she can't give you what you need. My husband and I couldn't either. I am a lesbian. You are a gay man. We are not flawed or defective straight people. Please let her go so that she can a straight man and you can live an authentic life as and with a gay man- either your boyfriend or someone else.

    Ukguy- why are you putting this all on your wife and what she wants? Take some responsibility and work through it with her. It is not being generous or sensitive to make her bear the weight of a decision about your marriage alone.
     
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    Thanks HopeFloats. She does deserve more; she doesn't think she'd ever find anyone else and remain a celibate divorced, single mother for ever... I do accept that neither of us can truly give the other what we need.

    I met him today - the first time since the weekend. He is hot; he makes me smile, he makes me laugh. I truly want to be with him. He thinks I've just fallen head over heels for him. Am I in love? God, I think so. But it's the first time I've ever fully felt like this about any one.

    I plan to move on in the new year, but stay close by and supportive to her and my kids. It'll be hard financially, but I need to move on. I need to let her see she can survive on her own as she is scared about the future without me here. She still loves me and I feel guilt that I can't feel the same desire and strength of love that she feels for me. But, I can still be there for her and can support her.

    I hope that everyone has a Happy Christmas and hope that, wherever you are, you can find a strength and hope for the future. I'm trying to look at 2014 and see it as a renewal, a new me, being true to myself and my family despite the pain it has caused and will cause. I need to be strong. I need to be there and true to myself.

    God bless you all.
     
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    Hey Highlander2 -

    Just checking in to see how you're doing today...One more day down in my personal countdown...Life is going on as normal...the sky didn't fall...Be well.
     
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    Highlander2, Thank you for sharing with us. I have a daughter who is now 5 and have an amazing relationship with her father who is a huge part of her daily life and for that I am very thankful. I did not realize that I was lesbian while I was with him and we decided to exit our romantic relationship because of other disagreements about sex but as the child of a nasty divorce it was REALLY important to me to make sure that the transition went well for my daughter. When I did fall (and deep) for a woman about 2 years after deciding to transition my straight partnership to a friendship it was a bit of a jolt for my daughter's father but we continue to work together to give her everything she needs to be her full beautiful wonderful self and we try, though living seperate lives to support eachother. Just sharing to let you know that you CAN create a beautiful situation for you and your family even if you don't stay married. Hang in there!
     
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    Thanks everyone. Things were just a bit odd and a bit reflective. Soleil, we are trying to work on keeping everything steady for the kids. Looking to move out after the new year and begin to develop and work on my own identity and how the new life will fit round the old one.
     
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    I am very confused, and I do not kow what to do...
     
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    @HardToSay - what is it you're confused about? We're all confused in some way or another; it would be good to be able to help you.

    ---------- Post added 30th Dec 2013 at 10:13 AM ----------

    So. I'm looking at places now to move into in the new year. My wife is slowly accepting that I am moving on. Today I am meeting some close friends, so will tell them about me moving out and also why. A big step for me. These are people who know me and my wife and have done for years. She thinks I'm dealing with everything in a very calm way and she's described it as emotionless before. I think I'm just trying to get things moving. I know that if we both sat and cried we'd get nothing done and not move forward an inch. So, I end up taking control and pushing it forward. I need to move on and the longer I am here in the house, the more I see that although I love her as a person and friend, there is not the desire or passion there and I don't want to be here any more. I love my kids and know that me not being here will upset them, but I'm determined to give them a stable home with their mum, and give them a second place they can call home with me.

    It's slightly scary for 2014 - a total 'life reset'. But I'm determined to manage this and make it what I need it to be both for me, my kids and my wife. It doesn't have to be a cataclysmic change and I'll do everything I can to prevent it turning into that.

    Will let you all know how the conversations today go. These are old friends, and I'm slightly apprehensive about how the guys will react to it. I really hope I don't get a punch in the face... :slight_smile:
     
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    Highlander,
    Looks like you have come a long way over the past few weeks. I thought I was headed in the right direction but then last night I was playing video games with the kids and realized I won't be able to just do stuff like that on an everyday basis anymore. We had a good Christmas just kind of made me sad for what's coming.
     
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    Am so glad to hear you making future plans...you should be so proud of yourself...big hugs all around...I'll working toward this same end in the begining of the new year.
     
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    @Highlander2
    I am confused because although I am attracted to men, unfortunately I really do not relate to gay guys: the way gay guys describe their feelings and attraction to men is just not the way I feel. Make sense?
     
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    How do YOU feel about other men?
     
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    Well, I do not want to engage in a lot of promiscuos sex... I like men's attention. I like it when they are nice to me and they are protective towards me. I like it when they are warm and patient and nice. I like it when men are romantic and chivalrous and they treat me like lady, so to speak.

    I like to talk, to share feelings and ideas, to cuddle, to be kissed...

    Make sense?
     
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    Hi everyone. Feeling really low today. I feel like I'm drifting apart from the guy I have been seeing. When we are together he can't keep his hands off me; has offered to help me financially get on my feet in my own place; talks about our 'relationship'; but then is still with his bf who seems to take advantage of him all the time. He talks about having nothing in common with his bf (there is a 14 year age gap), they argue, live in separate cities, he is almost like a dad to his bf and is the one everyone turns to to get help. I think he needs to feel needed. He talks about not wanting to compare his bf with me, but then highlights the differences between us in that I am more like an equal rather than dependent. I get loads of mixed messages from him - he cares for me, we laugh together, we enjoy each others company, yet when he goes to his bf, I hardly hear from him at all. I understand that it's difficult for him to make contact with me, but then I just end up feeling a bit used and forgotten about.

    I've been feeling really low about the next steps. He was the guy that opened my eyes to how I really felt about guys, whose presence has given me the strength to take the path I'm taking. He tells me that he doesn't want to lead me on, that he's with his bf and doesn't know if it will work or not, but that he can't be with me while he's with someone. A bit of me is angry, a bit of me feels really stupid and naive, and another bit of me is hurting so badly. I have fallen in love with him and it feels as if it would if I was trying to come off a drug.

    I'm trying to separate out the feelings for him with the situation I'm in at home where I am looking to move out and face the fact that I am gay.

    I don't want to embarrass myself; I don't want to end up running about after this guy with there being no hope that he'll see he's being used in his current relationship and act on how he feels about me. I don't want to kick back against him either as I'm afraid that I'll just end up really ruining a friendship and working relationship with him.
     
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    And so, in the space of a couple of hours I am starting to get my head round things. I think that he and I are over before we really got started. It hurts me to think of the fun we've had, what he's said to me and how he has behaved - but it takes two and I've been blind to this and if I admit to myself I've just tried to ignore some of the warning signs that have probably been screaming at me to get a grip of myself.

    What is it that makes you do and say stupid things, against what your head tells you? I know that if I see him soon, my heart will be in my mouth but I can't go on like this. I am starting to feel really down about the future; leaving my wife and kids is bad enough but I thought I might have someone at the other end to give me a bit of moral support. Not sure that that's going to be the case now in the way I'd have liked.

    So. Am I brave enough to acknowledge the new me in public? To move out and on on my own and get out there and start to meet guys (God knows how I'm going to do that after having been out of practice for the last 20 years), and who knows what might happen. It's absolutely terrifying - so much so that right now, right now, all I want to do is cry and hold my wife and know that she will give me the hugs that I so desperately want from someone.

    I am sitting here with tears in my eyes, and running down my face, thinking of a fairly bleak future and wondering whether the status quo here is the only alternative to ending up depressed and alone. I know that I can't turn off the feelings for guys but the alternative I'm envisaging right now is a worse one in my head :frowning2:
     
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    I am so sorry to hear about what you're going through right now, Highlander2.

    First, moving out is a positive step for both you and your wife. It acknowledges that both of you need to move on. You may feel as if you're abandoning your family, but you're not. Your children will be in you life as much as let them. You may even develop a deeper relationship as you're being upfront about who you are. Your wife might still turn out to be a close friend when all the dust is settled. Afterall, right now who knows you better.

    Second, cut yourself some slack. You're missing the hugs, the closeness you felt with this guy, and, yes, the sex. If at this point in your relationship you're having doubts, and believe me, big alarms are going off in your head; it's time to break it off before you're in too deep. You don't need a disfunctional relationship right now. If you really, really want to pursue this relationship, you have to have a long hard talk about what's going on, and go in to it with the knowledge that doing that may still end it for you.

    Third, dating sure is different from it was 20 years ago. I'll be facing the same thing. I have had in the past invested more into a relationship that what was being offerred. What was simply lust had to somehow have meaning. Right now it sounds as if you're leading with your heart. If that's the case, take things slow and steady. A roll in the hay can be fun, just don't mistake it for love.

    Fourth, your future is not bleak. It's loaded with new opportunities. You can't see it right now, because you're hurting. You need a spa day! Not literally, unless it would help. Do something for yourself. Put yourself first. Have a big steak, go out with your kids, visit a museum, get a hair cut. I recently bought a pair of kelly green socks which have men with beards on them when I was down just because they made me smile. They still do even though I question if I'll ever wear them.

    Last, everything is terrifying. It's new, uncertain. Going backward is not a real option. You come from good stock neither the Romans, the Dane, or the Brits ever conquered you (in fact you might say the Scot inherited England). On my family crest it says "Buaidh No Bas" which loosely translate to "Conquer or Die". I offer it up to you as your personal motto. You're going to survive and be a better man for it. So sing a verse of "Scotland the Brave"and go have a pint. Wish I could take the pain away for you, but I can't, but know you've my prayers and well wishes.(*hug*)