People Against Feminism..

Feminism is an overly broad political movement. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm against it, but I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with being aganst it.

 

Feminism in itself is a very good thing, however, so many radicals distort it that it reflects badly on anybody who calls themselves a feminist.

As far as I'm concerned, 99% of people "against feminism" don't actually know what it stands for when you take out all the fascists. No offence, people, but you know that feminism supports men as well, right? And I'd assume that it also supports NB people.

 

I think the problem is that many people, even people who call themselves feminists, think it's misandry.
For me, feminism is wanting equality for all genders, and not any kinds of privileges for women (nor any other gender). I have to admit that the name is a bit misleading, but that's because historically most gender equality issues were issues for women. But that doesn't mean that it's only about women.

 

Feminism is amazing. What most people see as "modern day feminism" is really just misandry.

Misandry- dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e., the male sex).
Misogyny- dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

Feminism is looking for equality of the sexes. Misandry is prejudice against men. There is a HUGE difference.

Like I said, feminism is amazing. I personally think everyone should be a feminist.
Misandry, however, is bad. It's toxic, sexist, and taints the definition of feminism to the point that all feminists are seen as crazy and "man-hating". Which is completely untrue.

 

I can't really see how feminism could be bad. Of course there are extreme "feminists" out there, but it's unfair to apply what they do, to everybody that considers themself a feminist.

 

Yup. You're still the best.

 

Thank you! A guy once told me "I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist" and I was like "...they're the same thing".

Whatever men say, women are not fully equal. For example, my mother knows a Saudi Arabian woman who has a driver in England because in her country, women driving themselves was either legally or socially unacceptable.

Even in Western society, women are not fully equal. Legally, mostly, but socially, no. There is, whatever menists say, a wage gap, for example.

 

I think a lot of people just like spewing whiny sentiments wherever it's convenient for them to project it, whether that's against an ethnic group, people of a certain religion, or ideological convictions such as feminism, or whatever.

 

:icon_redf Thank you.

 

It's ok. I could tell you viewed feminism like this. You weren't unclear

 

Tell it like it is, Gray. Tell it like it is. Love ya boo.

 

People hate THIRD WAVE feminism, the one that exists now, not the first and second wave of the 20's and 60's, of yesteryear. It's not a small minority of feminists who hate men nowadays. It's THE MAJORITY. They invent problems such as rape culture, and the gender pay gap, which are just myths. They try to censor video games they don't like, because they contain sexy women in them, not realizing that some women find them EMPOWERING AND POSITIVE. They pretty much control the media and academia now. #ganergate and "safe spaces" are a good example of this. They're a cult. The minute you question them, they call you a "misogynistic supporter of the patriarchy". They literally want to have Control over the whole media and they're really open about this. Third wave feminism is a cancer. They say they support men's rights too, but the minute they are brought up, they shut it down. They practically own higher education now, their ideology has creeped into all the humanites and even a bit of the STEMS. Don't even get me started with the useless gender studies degrees. If you did your research on them, you would know this.

Oh, and for all you feminists/ supporters I have a challenge for you:

NAME ONE RIGHT THAT MEN IN THE WESTERN WORLD FACE TODAY, THAT WOMEN DON'T.

I can name one really shocking right that women have over men:

They can force a man to pay child support for a child that is the result of the woman raping the man! This happened to a 12 year old boy in 1988!

And notice how I said WESTERN WORLD. Women in the Middle East and Africa, face horrible inequalities that women in the west would never dream of. But these third wave feminists are doing nothing about those problems. Instead they are in their bedrooms making videos about "how emojis don't represent them enough" WHILE GIRLS IN MY COUNTRY SIERRA LEONE ARE GETTING THEIR CLITORISES AND LABIA MAJORA SLICED NEATLY LIKE A POTATO CHIP IN 1851!!!! IM SO SORRY, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO COMPLAIN ABOUT EMOJIS, YOU HAVE THE TIME TO PUT AN END TO BARBARIC CULTURAL PRACTICES INSTEAD OF CREATING IMAGINARY PROBLEMS THAT DONT FUCKING EXIST!!!

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE FEMINISTS TO DEATH. THIS WHY I PERSONALLY HATE THEM TO DEATH.THIS IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE CANCER OF THE EARTH.THIS IS WHY THERE IS PETITION GOING ON RIGHT NOW SIGNED BY OVER 70,000 PEOPLE TO SUSPEND GENDER STUDIES AND OTHER USELESS DEGREES UNTIL THEY CAN BE TURNED FOR THE BETTER. THIS. IS. WHY.

*deeep breath*

As in the words of feminist hindu- Lebanese cow- Godess:

" everything is sexist, every thing is racist, and you all have to point it all out"- Anita sarkeesian.

Don't even get me started with how the PM of Canada called himself a feminist.

So, that's why people including myself hate feminists. That's... Just...why....* awkward hysterical laugh*

 

Or, they run across someone prejudiced (or grew up with one), and get a tainted view of things and let it form their opinion unfairly. I speak a bit from personal experience on that one.

It doesn't help that feminism in particular needs a banner for people to gather around in support of the cause, but then it just means you have a lot of sub groups of thought (much like Christianity in the US before it homogenized). You can probably point out a lot of "Wait, what?" things coming out of different sub groups, some of them small. But because they are using the feminism banner, it all gets attributed to the larger group. Yay?

Unfortunately, I don't think the reality meets the ideal that it isn't only about women. At least in the US. Europe could be very different, I wouldn't know.

I am not claiming that feminism holds blame here for failing to help men. But I do think it is a bit disingenuous to state that the tides of feminism will raise all boats. Historically, it has simply failed to do it in practice. And I don't think there is any malice in that, and the ideal is great, but the reality is just different from that ideal.

Gender roles for men remain constrained, and as a child of a feminist, I did get a surprising amount of what men are "supposed to be" growing up from my feminist mother (which was double un-fun in my case). Instead of deconstructing gender roles and expression, we've gotten wider acceptance for more roles and expression for women. And while FGM has been illegal in the US for 20 years, and we more recently added a provision to try to lower rates of 'vacation cutting', this very forum still debates male circumcision. Hell, trans men are getting push back when they rightfully speak up that the fight for reproductive rights directly affects them too, and the struggles they face.

What's the right answer? Hell if I know. I honestly don't think it should be feminism's job to raise all boats, but there are areas where there's overlap where alliances make a ton of sense. Alliances that just never materialized for whatever reason in the US. Probably doesn't help that the MRAs can't seem to make a valid point without also pointing out that they are paranoid and misogynistic.

 

Alright, this poster is officially amazing. :eusa_clap I totally agree with you.

Feminism is really just about equality, not specifically women.
Although... The name does kinda seem to imply (to the presumtuous eye...) otherwise... Which just isn't true.

So, yeah. My opinion? Feminism's totally alright with me.
I just wish it would stop being used in place of 'misandry'.

 

I'll just say this. I've yet to meet a third wave feminist that is as frightening to me as Janice Raymond. The closest third wave gets are the folks imitating her. The second wave to me is more of a problem. And a lot of what you complain about are really just a subset of people following in the footsteps of the second wave, rather than embracing third wave.

Access to reproductive health.
Bodily autonomy in the eyes of the law.

Since you bring up STEM, I really recommend you listen to this episode of Astronomy Cast. It's a pretty clear description of the problems we still face with institutional sexism (in this case, literally at academic institutions). Probably won't convince you of anything, but I'll have tried.

And your comment on the wage gap misses the forest for the trees. The wage gap is an indicator that women are not well represented across fields, and in the management chain. And that is a good indicator that there is a problem. Some fields are better than others, but my company, while they do a good job avoiding the pay gap for a given position, they utterly fail to get representation across disciplines and management, which is kinda the whole problem in the first place.

Honestly, I don't think I'll even manage to get my point across, but I couldn't let such a paranoid post go unanswered.

 

:icon_redf I don't know how to handle these compliments.

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:icon_redf Uhhhhh I can't handle compliments what do I do

 

Scroll though a couple of pages of this thread and you'll see why this one was made. Intolerance of a differing opinion: http://emptyclosets.com/forum/entertainment-media/212293-opinions-onision.html