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Is everyone here liberal?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by silverdeer, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. silverdeer

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    Just curious as this chart gives a good view on how conservatives are very against homosexuals and think it is a choice while liberals are more accepting and feel it is not a choice.

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    Conservative views
    - When sexuality starts (I think sexuality has the potential to change, through no choice, when someone hits puberty due to hormones).
    - Special privileges (In the form of affirmative action, whereby it is okay to discriminate against a majority group in order to meet a ''quota'' for a minority to suggest that you're ''not discriminating''. My opinion: Yes, it is discrimination (by the definition of discrimination), just against the majority. Sexuality does not decide whether you are good or bad at a job, unless maybe something specific such as a sexuality guidance councilor, and therefore shouldn't be hired or be discriminated for a job on the basis of their sexuality).

    The rest are liberal

    I have this idea of a religious homophobic going to heaven and getting denied at the door with a lecture from God whilst they watch a gay person go to heaven and them being dropped to hell. I mean, God's test to people was to love each other and not destroy our world. Anyway, even if heaven doesn't exist or God, I still like this idea.
     
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    Not all conservatives are anti-gay. I'm a conservative, but more libertarian socially. Not even most social conservatives believe this stuff.
     
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    I'm not sure this chart is entirely accurate: liberal and conservative aren't totally black-and-white views and they don't all have the same views on homosexuality.

    I wouldn't call myself liberal or conservative. I believe what I believe.
     
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    Liberalism is too right-wing for my tastes. But I guess I could say I'm "socially liberal" in the common use of the word.
     
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    i'm definitely liberal, not conservative at all. which is pretty strange as from age 1-5 i lived in florida, then lived in thailand for many many years, and now live in armenia which is super conservative and catholic and traditional.
     
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    Certainly not. Personally, I'm center left and a member of the Democratic Party, but I'm by far not as left wing as many of my fellow Democrats have become.
     
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    I am socially liberal, but politically/economically conservative.

    This chart is, however, a very black/white approach and not necessarily doing a good job at describing "conservative" versus "liberal." Moreso it describes opposing mindset extremes in regards to social issues surrounding the LGBT+ community. And it is obviously very biased toward what they call "liberal" while supposing ALL "conservatives" hold such crude ideas, which is untrue.
     
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    I think you'll find a lot of people's feeling don't fit exactly on this graph. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: Also you have to take into account political views, which may be different or completely separate to one's feelings on sexuality.

    As far as this chart goes, needless to say that Empty Closets does not endorse the view that homosexuality is a unnatural, abnormal, deviant and disordered behaviour. Nor would we ever encourage so called 'conversion therapy'. So if your graph is to be believed then we are 'liberal'. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    I know a few conservative members of EC.
     
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    I gave up reading that at 'demon possession', but my party of choice, if at all, is Labour.
     
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    I'm liberal I suppose, but I hate the Democrats.
     
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    I actually know a few Sikhs who are incredibly accepting of us queer folk. As far as I've been told the religion says nothing about sexuality at all really.
     
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    I think this is more a case of 'abhorrent human being with questionable ethics' vs 'normal person'.

    Anyway, by most conventional definitions I'm pretty left-wing, certainly quite far left of the centre ground in the UK and a stark-raving socialist by American standards, but not as left-wing as a lot of people on here (especially when it comes to matters of 'social justice').
     
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    Liberal except for whether or not churches should recognize same-sex marriage. As much as I would like for them to be accepting of same-sex marriages, if it goes against their beliefs then I do not want to force it on them.
     
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    I have mostly liberal views towards sexuality, however, we cannot force our views onto religious groups and expect them to accept something that they believe directly contradicts strict dogma. Freedom of religion should remain regardless of heavy conservatism.
     
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    Liberalism is some right-wing, authoritarian tripe, so no, not everyone here is liberal.
     
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    I know plenty of conservatives who are perfectly accepting of gay people. Often times the hardcore religious types aren't, but you'd be surprised. I've had many a deep conversation with Christian friends and you'd be amazed how accepting they were or how much they could be swayed, even if they're not exactly "pro-gay."

    Anyways, I tend to skew classically liberal, though not so much what passes for "liberal" or "progressive" these days. I've been called a leftist by the right, and a right-winger by the left. I'm all over the place politically, but in a broad sense I guess you could call me a very moderate libertarian.

    I think we discussed this in a different thread, but liberal and conservative mean different things in different countries, and they also have stood for different things throughout history. The terms have been changed so many times they're beginning to lose meaning, especially with the confusion an international forum like this can bring. For example, Canadian conservatism and American conservatism are quite different. Liberalism in American is probably closer aligned with Labour style parties in Europe. You really have to set out the terms and broadly speaking what each stands for because there are a lot of differences.
     
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    I have started to stray further away from liberalism and that label in favor of progressive and social democrat. I tend to skew solidly centre-left on about everything.
     
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