How to pass as a guy without testosterone?

Sure.

Yeah, you're clitoris will start to grow, become more sexually sensitive, and stuff. It begins quite quickly, about a month or two after starting, and will finish growing at about 5 years after starting. It should reach the size of about 10cm. It is in a slightly different place than the cis-gendered penis, and if you were to get surgery, they would basically enlarge it, move it into the right place, and make a hole in it to allow you to piss through. This surgery is known as medoidoplasty, and its one of two options in terms of bottom surgery. Its cheaper, but less common, and turns out smaller (though it works better). IMO, its preferable, and since I don't actually plan on having sex with mine, I won't have self esteem issues lol.

As for the asexuality question, not necessarily. When I say that the sex drive increases, I literally mean the urge to have sex. In an asexual, that pretty much just means masturbation. However, people do occasionally change orientations when going on T. There is also the (slight) possibility that you're asexual due to non-existant hormone levels, in which case you might become sexual. As for my personal case... well, I'm not sure. My increase in sex drive has yet to relate to sexual attraction.

Okay, types of T.

You can take T in the following forms, that I know of:

-Injectable
-Pills
-Patches
-Gel
-Pellet under the skin

As for injectables, there are two commonly used types, Sustanon, and Nibido. Last I heard, Sustanon is in short supply, and I was never offered it. It is injected into your leg or butt every 3-4 weeks. Nibido is injected into your butt every 12 weeks, and it is supposed to hurt. I was offered this one, but I didn't take it. Both of these have periods of low levels, which can leave you feeling quite low.

Pills are bad. They don't really work, and they can lead to liver poisoning. No decent gender doctor should give these to you.

The patches work much like nicotine patches, but unfortunately I don't know much else about them. As far as I know, there are no health issues associated with them, and unlike the injectables, the levels are more or less constant.

I use a gel, called TestoGel, and there are a couple of other brands out there. I put it on my shoulders every morning or evening, and take a minute or so to let it dry before I put a t-shirt on. No needles, which is nice. The gel is basically 95% alcohol, so it just evaporates off, leaving the testosterone on my skin to be absorbed. This, along with the patches, gives a level dosage of T, meaning you avoid most mood swings related to hormone levels.

The pellets underneath the skin aren't very widely used. They just stick it under your skin and leave it there for three months. I doubt you'll be offered this.

Changes on all of these occur at pretty much the same rate. Taking double doesn't work, as your body converts high levels of testosterone into oestrogen, as does the body of a cis-man.

Not long after starting, you may notice that you're feeling hungrier than usual. This subsides. You may notice a change in the way your urine smells pretty quickly as well. Or you may not smell your urine, like a normal person. Clitoral sensitivity begins about a month later, and so does growth, but its slow enough that you won't notice for a while. Only about six weeks after starting, your muscle strength will increase, and your voice may start to break, and the time in between, it sometimes just sounds like you have a cold. Your voice will continue to break until it gets bored. For me, it was about 8 months which is about average. I never had squeakiness issues, but they can happen sometimes. Acne will begin at about 4 months. At about 9 months, you may start to notice facial hair growth, but it won't be quite as hard or dark as an adult man's yet.

At about one year, your breast size can start to decrease slightly, and your facial hair will start to grow faster, and get darker, and appear on a larger part of your face. This helps with not looking 14.

About 2 years after beginning, your facial hair will probably be as good as its going to get. Most other changes will have stopped.

At about 5 years, clitoral growth will have stopped as well.

Shit, that post was way too long.

 

That covered a lot, thanks.
I knew there were different methods to take T, but since I'm kind of a wimp and can't see myself doing injections, I'd most likely go with the patch. I was going to ask if you do this daily, but you've already mentioned it.

Yeah, I don't even know what my asexuality is based upon (if it's hormonal or not), but I would assume with T, I could possibly become sexual.

I probably won't start T until I'm 18 due to qualifications and my parents, but it's nice to know how things will work and how changes will come about. I've been watching a few FtM video bloggers on Youtube who've recorded how T affected them overtime, one who was developing facial hair at 3 months. I'm sure genetics can play a roll in how T distributes things (perhaps quicker or slower). I'm just wondering considering that I have a high thyroid level, if T will fuck up some things regarding hormones. I'll just have to consult my doctor or therapist about it.

 

Yeah, the timeline I gave you was just an average sort of thing. I'm afraid I don't know about the thyroid thing, but surely cis-guys can have high thyroid levels too?

I decided against injections for a number of reasons. I didn't like the idea of having low periods, I didn't like the idea of having a painful arse for a couple of days, and also, they're pretty damn near impossible to self-administer. Well, I guess you can see the problem with that.

Good luck with getting T and stuff.

 

Hats and layers help me out, maybe they can work for you too.

 

Haha, okay I was joking about the bro thing.
And Hexagon, yeah, there seems to be a lot of variation in the time it takes to get on hormones. One year is just the most common figure I have seen, between people who have not been able to get on at all, and people who did within a week.
The reduced life-span thing is kind of irrelevant, because I think most people would prefer to live a good 75 years than a bad 80. It's just that I see the health impacts of testosterone being glossed over a lot by people who are just excited to get on it.
Here is a pretty good resource if you want to find out more about hormones Link

 

...ahem!

you know, asexuality has nothing to do with sex drive, it's about sexual attraction. there are plenty of asexuals with what would be considered by most to be a "healthy" appetite for sex.

just sayin'...

 

I know you weren't poking me with that stick... but while I'm obviously aware its about sexual attraction, sometimes a very low sex drive can be mistaken for asexuality. And very occasionally, people do change orientations when going on T, so I see no reason that (unlikely) change couldn't be from asexual to sexual or vice versa.

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Oops, I missed your post.

Lol, I got a bit carried away. But you're welcome.

Most of the changes are irreversible. Specifically, your voice, facial hair, and any height increases will stay. Fat distribution, which I didn't really mention before, will go back to what it was before (well, I don't think it would if you'd reached a point where you no longer had periods even when off T), and your periods may or may not restart, depending on how long you'd been on.

Right now, for me, after a year on, it would be extremely difficult for me to pass as female, and I'd have to go through some of the same facial femenisation surgery that transwomen go through if I wanted to look even remotely normal.

Some of the changes will be less effective late in life. Oestrogen would have more time to work on the body and stuff. But its not too bad, and there are loads of transguys who've transitioned later in life.

It is a myth, and certainly I've never experienced an increase in violence. There is one thing that I've noticed, which I find interesting. Before going on T, if something bad happened, there was kind of... a cry urge, if you know what I mean. Now, there is more of an anger urge, kind of like a switch has changed.

I'm generally more moody, thats really just a teenager thing. I've not noticed any particularly drastic character changes, and certainly nothing negative. I've learnt to be more compassionate and empathetic, which is more of an indirect affect of being free to be myself.

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That reminds me of an annoying little fact I once heard. A 20 minute jog increases your life span by 20 minutes.

 

I still lack sexual attraction to people, and my sex drive is low. I just didn't know if having an increased sex drive would therefore lead to becoming sexually attracted to somebody. Such as my supposed grey-a/demisexuality could turn into full blown sexuality.

 

No, a high sex drive doesn't equal sexuality.

 

Hm, someone wanted more info on walking like a man? This is what I've picked up on from observing guys and trying to walk like one myself.

The main thing is that you keep your hips, shoulders, and legs in line -- walking in a box, rocking your whole body rather than twisting your hips, whatever you want to call it. Short version for those of you who know about animal gaits: Guys pace like a camel, girls trot like a horse, old people walk like an elephant. No offence intended to anyone. I might be able to make diagrams if it helps.

First off. When girls walk, they put their left foot forward, left hip forward/out, and right shoulder forward. That left-right contrast between shoulders and hips is what makes hips swing or sway even when you're not popping them. I think they also swing their left hand forward (typically you swing whichever arm is back).

Guys, however, put their left foot forward, left hip forward (not out, which means that your silhouette doesn't seem curvy), and left shoulder forward. This keeps your torso from twisting and means that your weight is transferred more wholly onto one side rather than balancing and being split down the middle. You also want to swing your right hand forward, but make sure your shoulder doesn't come forward with it -- rather than moving with both shoulders and torso, imagine that your arm is pinned on like a pendulum and can only swing in that way, if that makes sense, without influencing the rest of your body.

The balance thing (how you shift your weight according to staying in line or twisting about) is I think part of what makes guys walk with their legs wider apart than girls. Your lower legs shouldn't rub together as you walk; it's like you're standing on one foot, swinging the other out and around, and then standing on it. Though of course everyone does this to an extent, girls don't do it as much as guys, which means their gait can be less stable and/or faster.

Final note: Don't walk tip-toes; make sure your entire foot covers the ground at some point, and always step onto your heel (or whole foot if you're tired, of course) rather than daintily putting your toes down first. Whilst most people walks heel-toe most of the time, if someone does go toe-heel-toe they are probably either a girl or trying to avoid a puddle.

You will want to practise walking a lot. No, really, a lot. Find a path or something behind your house that is clear, level, straight, and deserted. No need for extra distractions or odd looks.

At first I found it really hard to coordinate my limbs (my shoulders really didn't want to be in line with my feet; I had to imagine I was walking with them and picking each one up and putting it forward and down as if it was a foot) and getting into the rhythm of it took time, was unreliable, and required constant concentration. The amount of exaggeration and looking down involved made me look like a wannabe chav, I'm sure. There is a real rhythm to be found, however, and once you get it things are easier.

After being able to get into "guy-walking" reliably and looking slightly natural rather than totally ridiculous, make it your default. Every time you walk somewhere, even to the fridge (practising over shorter distances means that you can hopefully learn to start from standing, which in theory would be easier than breaking a girl-rhythm to make it a guy-rhythm, but I'm not there yet and haven't been trying), make a deliberate choice to walk in that way. Changing your natural gait is possible if you work at it (I have done so on a smaller scale to counter poorly-shaped feet that kept wearing out my shoes) and will help with passing.

This was your mission briefing. Good luck.

 

^That was a really good description of how to walk like a man. I'm pretty successful at it, but I've never known quite how to describe it.

My brain gets carried away all the time.

Yeah, in general, ftms have a much easier time passing. The only easier part about being mft is the bottom surgery. Also, it seems that a majority of people still don't recognise the existence of ftms, so they don't know what to look for.

If you go on T, your face should shift around a little, and look more mature. Nothing I can really think of to change that pre-T. You can bind, if you need to, (even though you said your boobs were small, most guys who don't bind instinctively slouch when walking, and confidence goes a long way towards passing).

 

fiddledeedee, that was everything I tried to say (and a bit more), but 20% more awesome.