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  1. Braj

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    Hi everyone. I am a 31 year old male. I kind of constantly keep thinking about my sexuality, questioning and confused about it. I am starting to get stressed that why I can't figure it out. Or, maybe I have figured out but somehow I am not convinced or maybe I am just not ready or able to accept. All these freak me out. I feel like if I could disappear or start over. I am sharing my thoughts and experiences and I hope that someone can help me to make some sense out of it.

    When in high school any talks about heterosexual sex didn't appeal to me. Out of curiosity, I went to a cyber cafe and started searching on web terms like vagina, penis, sex, intercourse, porn etc. Images of penis and naked men drew my attention more than images of breast and vagina, and I started searching more for them. When I discovered the pleasure of masturbating, I would do so, as far as I remember, without thinking or fantasizing about anyone, simply for pleasure. Even today though I may get aroused by men but as soon as I start masturbating I would focus only on myself. In college as I started watching straight porn, I found myself fixated on men in the video. I liked the foreplay part more, but most of them don't have much. So, I saw soft porn which I liked better. When I saw gay porn, here also I liked foreplay part more. Gay foreplay actually aroused me. I never liked the intercourse part in any porn. Then, I started watching the gay themed films and quite liked them. I would be sexually attracted and also emotionally attached to men I see in other movies too.

    I also get attracted to women. I will notice a beautiful women passing by but there is no strong physical/sexual attraction as is there in the case of men. Unlike with men, I would not get strongly aroused seeing a women even when naked. Though, I have romantic fantasies with women. I think of loving them, taking care of them, spending a life with them. But, I am not able to visualise myself spending whole life with a man. I am also a socially anxious person, so I don't know if my lack of sexual attraction towards women is just because of anxiety.

    I have never been in a relationship, and recently joined a dating app to start finding someone for a long term relationship. I searched for both men and women and found that I am attracted to or feel a connection with lesser percentage of men I see as compared to a larger percentage of women I see. When I say connection, I mean I would like to meet them, talk to them and spend time with them. It is like I am more choosy about men than women. That upsets and confuses me about my sexuality as there are only a limited men that interest me. But those men who do, I feel stronger of a sexual desire for them than any woman.

    While searching web for all this I found that romantic orientation and sexual orientation can be different. With women I normally fantasize a warmth and calm in the relationship. When I fantasize about men, I feel an excitement and chill. I guess, I get more romantic feelings for women but more sexual feelings for men.

    I have had a few close male and female friends. With the female friend, I started developing feelings of care and affection and had desire to spend my full life with her though there was little sexual attraction even after years of acquaintance. With the male friend also, I developed similar feelings of affection in addition to having sexual attraction, but never felt like being together for whole life. This is just how I felt. As I mentioned, I was not in a relationship with any of them. I am not able to go ahead with a relationship with either a woman or a man because of above feelings.

    I wonder if I have sexual attraction towards men because it is a forbidden fruit as per normal societal standards. Or, those feelings are just of jealousy because I don't look as good as them. I see myself as a slightly feminine male. So, is that why I get attracted towards men?

    I would appreciate any help from anyone. It would be great to hear from someone I can relate to. I guess I am not alone who feels in this way. I would love to 'come out' of this dilemma. As of now, I see myself as of bi-romantic orientation and grey-asexual + homoflexible orientation.
     
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    These are all part of denial. You're trying to rationalize and explain away what is clearly obvious to you. You are sexually attracted to men and not to women. That's what I read from your post. "bi-romantic orientation and grey-asexual + homoflexible orientation" might just be a very long way of saying "gay."

    I think you can't visualize being with a man in a long-term relationship because society has conditioned you to not think that. There's really no such thing as a "romantic-only" orientation. You can have deep, loving feelings for someone you're not sexually attracted to. But being able to visualize a life with them without sex isn't really a relationship, right? Your orientation refers to who you are sexually attracted to. The romantic part is linked to that, even if you don't feel it for them right now.
     
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    Braj.....Hello and just in case no one else had said it...a very happy LGBTQ+ welcome to Empty Closets! :old_smile: I have to agree with @I'm gay. It sounds to me like you are trying hard to find words to describe how you feel when the simplest answer is that you are gay. Sometimes it hard to give up the image of ourselves as straight, finding a woman to marry and having children. That image has been burned into us from childhood and there is a sense of loss when we start to realize that we may be gay. That's my best thought based on what you have written. Please sit down and have a long, serious talk with yourself about your sexuality...that seems to be where the problem is.
    .....David :gay_pride_flag:
     
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    Thank you @quebec for the warm welcome to Empty Closets. I had been searching the internet for a long time for a community where I could talk about my feelings and I am glad to find EC. Writing on EC helps me put out and share my feelings. It puts me at ease. Reading many posts with similar experiences as mine helps me analyse and understand my situation better. @I'm gay and @quebec ! Thanks for your comments. A serious thought about my sexual orientation, recalling my feelings and experiences, leads me to the conclusion that 'I am gay'. I have been trying to ignore, counter and falsify, what is very obvious because of the shame and fear. And I still feel scared writing it clearly here that 'I am gay'. I guess, I had been trying to fit myself to some category which may be somewhat better that directly saying gay as @I'm gay pointed out. When I read my own post as if someone else had written it, I would too say to that person that you are gay. If I were in a world where being gay was as acceptable I would have identified as gay.

    But still, I keep finding myself in the loop of denial and acceptance.
    • I try to relate my personality traits with my sexual orientation. What if I have attraction towards men because I want a strong, confident and protecting partner (because I am shy, fearful, under-confident, self-depreciating), but then what does that have to do with sexual orientation? In fact, it may be the other way. I have been more secluded and in control of myself (disciplined) because I don't want others to see the real me. I don't want to be rejected. Or maybe they are not so related.
    • I do notice women. Maybe I don't get sexual arousal because I am anxious and nervous. It happens even with men when I get nervous about approaching them or they approaching me. But at least I feel sexual attraction with men at the first place which I don't with women even to start with. Anxiety about meeting is secondary. And why even in my comfort zone while just visualizing in my mind, I don't feel attraction towards women?
    • After all, sometimes, fantasizing about woman does get me aroused. It would be all right when I meet the right woman. But, I can still feel a lack of passion and it seems robotic. It is all about her pleasure and not mine. I am just trying to please her so that she doesn't doubt.
    • What if I am straight and making a mistake? What if vice versa?
    • May be I am just afraid of marriage and commitment (having seen many unhappy couples including my parents). And I chose to being gay as it will get rid me of marriage.... and now I can't get back to being straight. But then on a second thought, of course this can not be true. I am not doing this to avoid marriage.
    • Most importantly, when I look into the feelings since my teenage to early adulthood, I have a natural attraction for men. All this complex thinking process was not started then. Only now since last 2 years, when my parents want me to marry, I have gone into a vicious thought process.
    I constantly keep visualizing and prodding my feelings. I even try to act on some visualizations to see my reactions, even when I probably know what the reality is. I don't know how to come out of this loop. I feel very scared what if something goes very wrong. What happens with my parents, my friends.... will they accept me? would I be left alone? I don't want to hurt anyone even though it hurts me. Marrying a woman would hurt my partner, not marrying also may hurt my parents. It would hurt me to hurt them. Sometimes, I wish if I could just disappear or was never born or go to a distant place far from all this. It even leads to the thoughts like 'meaning and purpose of life and existence'. Where do I start?
     
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    So, I’m a lesbian and very, very gay. But, I can still identify men who are fit and good looking and appreciate the (clothed) male form. And I have many dear friends who are men. I have very warm feelings for them. I know plenty of straight women who can notice and identify physically attractive women and will even comment on it. And then straight women are also frequently friends with other women. That’s just the human condition. And that’s very different from actual sexual attraction. I can see a handsome man. And as a kid, I worked very, very hard to convince myself that doing that equated to crushes because I wanted to feel normal. But the reality, is that I can’t imagine a life with a man or a physical relationship with a man. (That idea actually grosses me out).

    There are phases to coming out as gay just like there are phases to grief. And denial and grief are two of those phases. It’s hard to let go of the idea of being straight. Just saying the words “I think I’m gay” in a mirror for the first time was incredibly hard for me. But, when you do it, there’s a good chance it’ll be like watching the movie “The Sixth Sense”. A lot of memories from your life that seemed odd at the time might make more sense. At least it was that way for me. People I was a little too excited to be around. Situations that inexplicably made me nervous, Feelings I couldn’t explain.

    May or may not be the case for you, but it it was for me.
     
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    Also, on the personality trait front, that has little to do with gender. You can find strong, confident, protective women. Some of the top generals in the United States military (one of the most powerful militaries in the world) are women. Our Vice President is a strong, confident woman. She made grown men cry in hearings. Nancy a Pelosi (love her or hate her) is a formidable woman. And there are passive, weak men.

    A personality trait is a personality trait. Not a gender trait.
     
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    Also, I notice that many men here who have similar experiences to me regarding their sexual orientation.... they have been in a relationship with women or dated them. They didn't find it fitting or they lose interest in women or they had gay desires in the background which were very strong.

    Now, I have not dated a woman. Is it OK to say that I can't have a relationship with them which involves sex?
    I have not even dated a man, so can't I say that my sexual attraction towards them is just a temporary desire and may not evolve in a relationship.

    But then I have met both men and women in my life. I didn't want to date a woman because they would expect me being straight which I am not and I may hurt her and just waste her time. I could not date a man, because I don't know if the other guy is gay. However, I do want to pursue further exploration. Am I blocking my feelings somewhere here either for men or women or both?
     
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    @Unsure77 ! Thanks for your comment. I got very nervous and hot while I wrote here that I am gay. I have tried many times standing in front of mirror and asserting loudly, but could not. I go back to my circle of denial and acceptance, saying that let me re-evaluate.
    Ughh... feels like I am too much confused or confusing myself. Some way to break this trap?
     
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    Be gentle with yourself and give yourself time. There’s no rush. It’s ok. You’re going to be ok. (I had to tell myself that a lot)

    Spending time on here reading other people’s stories helped me. I could see myself in so many stories in the “late in life” forum on here. Watching videos on YouTube of women describing their stories of realizing they were gay helped a lot. If you have any friends you can trust to talk to, that helped me a lot. Personally, I started seeing a therapist, which helped. (If telehealth therapists are available. I had to see my therapist over video through covid and it was still incredibly helpful)

    The other thing I did was just start watching lesbian movies and lesbian novels to see how that felt. For me, it felt comforting to see lesbian couples. It just felt right. And seeking out lgbt friends. Not to date. Just to talk to and compare experiences with and learn from. (I get covid probably makes that near impossible right now. But once you can go out again...)
     
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    I agree this is an incredibly powerful excercise.

    I can relate first time I came here and typed "I might be gay" my fingers trembled and I was shaking.. and this is an anon message board! iOnly you can decide, but -the fact that it is so hard might be telling you something. You don't have to yell it- just say it gentle to yourself in the mirror. If you're not no harm done, if you are, you might find it an incredibly freeing experience.
     
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    I used this to deny my sexuality for years, once i accepted myself, I started noticing men more and while I find women pretty I realized I had no sexual attraction.

    yes, me too

    I had these but they were really not natural, looking back I tried to force them

    I wasn't able to either - when I finally started to accept myself I started to think about being with a man romantically and it just came so naturally and felt so wonderful.

    @Braj only you can decide but this was my experience.

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    Yes. For years I tried to figure out why a "straight guy like me" wanted to give blow jobs, and why I got highly sexually aroused when I saw a beautiful male ballet dancer but didn't with equally beautiful female ones. :slight_smile:


    Yes. This can be hard to break out of - I experience this too. The trick I am slowly learning is to take steps in the real world

    Yes, and as you say there's a sense of mourning too... it feels a little sad to walk away from.. but realizing it was just an illusion helps.
     
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    what if, what if what if, maybe I am...
    Yeah I did this for a long time.... and it's ok - go easy on yourself these questions will come up... but here is another exercise that helped me:

    Put all external factors aside.
    Let's say you knew no one (no current family or friends) and you were in a city that was very very LGBTQ friendly and you saw a cute guy that looked like he was into you.. what would you do?

    Ok this doesn't help with 'real life' commitments but it did help me to understand that all my fears and 'doubts' were really about what other people might think.

    Self acceptance can be very very hard but it can also feel incredible. On the other side of that fear is an incredible rush of warm emotion!
     
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    @out2019 Are there good gay movies he could watch (or books)? Just basic movies that have male gay couples. I'm wondering if that might help as far as visualizing what being in a gay couple might could look like. I know seeing movies with lesbian couples (just sweet, basic romance stories that showed normal, typical women falling in love and being together) helped me a lot. It's harder to picture when all you've ever seen are films or books where there are either only straight couples or the lgbt people are this caricature that doesn't look at all like you.
     
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    Same for me. When young, I had these desires and attraction and arousal but still considered myself straight and just wondered. At that time I didn't know anything about being gay. I didn't know if it was normal and if others too feel the same way.

    I would approach him. If I were in a world where being gay was as acceptable I would have identified as gay.

    Yeah, I too found many stories very similar to mine and that helped me analyse and understand my situation better. I have seen many videos of people sharing their experiences and their stories and I could relate to myself.

    When watching gay porn, I was more interested in knowing their journey. How did they meet? How did they bond? What they experienced? Their hurdles in the journey? And I started watching gay themed films and short films on YouTube. I might have watched dozens of them, and I would visualize myself there and was comfortable with it. In those days, though I knew that being gay is a social stigma, I was ok with my feelings inside me.... only I never let them be seen. In college, I used to think that I am young now.... I need not be in any relationship now.... plus who else is here who is gay, so there is no one for a relationship.... I will deal with it later.

    Recently I have seen Love Simon and Call me by your name. Nice movies.

    So, I see that I know what the truth is. But I am scared to deal with it. @Unsure77 , @out2019 , @Me2b thanks for help and bringing me the clarity. I guess, I should start working on to accept the reality instead of keep denying it. Last and the only time when I went to a therapist to discuss this, I couldn't bring this point up.... I digressed totally. I guess, I can see a therapist again.
     
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    Also, I am more scared because there is no one I can look for support during the journey because I know it is not going to be easy and it will take time and I will need some support and encouragement. Otherwise, I may drop out in between the process.
     
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    When I saw the movie Alex Strangelove, I could totally relate myself to Alex.
     
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    I’d look for a gay affirming therapist. There are therapists who specifically have experience working with lgbt people, and that’s really what you want here I think.
     
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    @Braj, these quotes from you stood out to me.

    I can see this so clearly from my vantage point. The lack of passion, and 'just going through the motions because it's what I'm supposed to do' robotic relationship. I too made it all about her pleasure in order to maintain the fiction. When you're young and horny, this can even work. At least it did for me. I did successfully father two children. What happens when you're not so young and horny all the time? The façade starts to wear down and the cold hard reality begins to set in.

    You are realizing your motivations. You were ok with pushing away your gay thoughts and desires for years because you weren't forced to confront it. Now, your parents are bringing upon you the expectation of marriage to a woman. You know that marrying a woman would be wrong for both you and her, and yet you also fear hurting your parents if you don't.

    I understand that. I really do. I made that same mistake of allowing my fears of what my family and friends would think if they knew I was gay to convince me to hide the truth. But it is a mistake, and I think you already know it. If you truly can't face your parents, then you should "go to a distant place far from all this," and allow yourself to be who you truly are, and don't trap some poor woman into a miserable and sexless marriage.
     
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    Exactly. I know that marrying a woman, I will ruin both our lives. But, I also don't know how to tell my parents. I suspect that they may try to force me into marriage. However, they may not be able to because I am a strong and independent individual in our family now. But still the thought of hurting them is unbearable.