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Coming out as Kinsey 4 - what about my straight relationship?

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Musician, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Musician

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    Hi guys,

    This is one of the hardest things I've ever had to say. I was in therapy today, and I admitted, with the help of my therapist, that I wasn't straight, that I was either gay or bi. After thinking about it further, I think I'm pretty fairly at 60/40 gay/bi, making me about a Kinsey 4. This comes as a real shock to me, because my whole life I've fantasized about women and have been in relationships with solely women, but it's something of a Romantic pull to be with a man, and something that I won't be surprised if it turns sexual at some point. So the Kinsey 4 is a feeling I have more than anything else. And my therapist has been pitching the idea of me being "clearly" bisexual for a little while now. I started having these feelings towards men in the past year, and I am 27 years old now.

    Here is my dilemma: I am involved in a LTR with a girl whom I love more than anything in the world. She is the dearest thing to me. We have earth-shattering sex. I even have trouble fantasizing about guys during sex with her, because I still remember how much I love women and because I love her. Though somehow, I still think the Kinsey 4 fits. I cannot see how I can live my life without her. She is my rock, my angel, the most beautiful person inside and out, and we genuinely love each other. We are a wonderful match. And both musicians who play together, btw. We have been together for 3 years, and living together for half that time.

    So I want to know, do you think this relationship can work in the long-term, or will I develop such a pull towards men that it will make it impossible. Like, what if we have kids, and I get stressed, and want to seek out men? I am most interested in having a monogamous relationship with a person, and am open to raising a family with a man, if that's what feels right. But my girlfriend is amazing, we love each other, and I would love to spend my whole life with her if need be. Also, I still love the female body very much, physically and sexually too.

    What has your experience been like, if you have had this experience, and is it doable, if so? Like, will we be happy in the end, which is what I want more than anything else?

    One last interesting tidbit: my therapist, who has no sway btw in my decisions, has been married for decades to his wife and they have a son together. He told me today that he is on the gay end of the spectrum, and when I asked him if he had straight fantasies or gay fantasies growing up, he said that he was "different from me", and that's where he left it. Also, I asked him about extramarital affairs, and he mentioned that "he wasn't going to discuss that", giving me hints, but I am interested in a monogamous relationship. But he was able to make it work in some way. But I am also interested in the points of view of people on this forum.

    Thanks for the long read.
     
  2. Ianthe

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    Hi, Welcome to Empty Closets!

    Are you out to your girlfriend? I think that your relationship could work, but only if you can fully express yourself within it. Meaning, only if you don't have to conceal the fact that you are attracted to men.

    My stepmother dated women for decades before marrying my dad. They are very happy together. But she knows that she is attracted to both men and women, and she doesn't have to pretend otherwise. She frequently makes comments about attractive people on television, regardless of gender, for example.

    It sounds like your attraction to women is genuine and your relationship with your girlfriend is both strong and passionate. Presuming all of that is accurate, I see no reason why the relationship wouldn't work. But I think that honesty between you is important, and you need to be able to be open about who you are and how you feel about things.

    I strongly think that you should not have affairs. When you and your girlfriend have been together for another 5-7 years or so, it might be possible for you to have an open relationship, but from what I understand, that really works best when the relationship is very solidly established first.

    Only you can really answer the question as to whether you can be truly fulfilled in a monogamous relationship with a woman. There isn't some kind of set answer for all Kinsey fours or something. And that's what it comes down to.

    For now, it seems that you are fulfilled in the relationship. Do you think so? I think that you should have as open communication with her as possible. If you are concealing a major element of your sexuality from her, I think the relationship will become unhealthy.
     
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    This goes well past my personal experience, so take what I say with a grain of salt...

    But from what I read above, I don't see why a long term relationship with your girlfriend wouldn't be viable. It does sound to me like you love her. And, while you have some same sex attraction, it sounds like you are attracted to her. It does not sound like you are trying to lie to yourself.

    And here's an ugly reality about relationships in general: no matter what your orientation, there is always a risk that you'll be "tempted" to have an affair. The only thing different for bisexuals vs. straights is that bisexuals have the potential of having more people to tempt them.

    However, a good, healthy long term relationship can survive temptations that may come along. Sexual attraction is only one part of a relationship. At some point, a long term relationship will deeper bonds. It will have history.
     
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    Hello and welcome,

    Keep in mind you are very early in this process.

    As you accept yourself, over time, you may find those numbers changing.

    Denial can make you believe anything that gives a tad of relief.

    Time is your friend for a little while and I would suggest you keep seeing the therapist and not to make major life changes until you are 100% sure.

    There are a number of men here that started here where you are now. As the denial lifted things changed.

    This only changes your sexuality and partner choice. Throw out all the societal stereotypes as 8 out of 10 don't fit any gay stereotype.
     
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    Thanks everyone.

    The thing with me and my girlfriend is our openness to each other. She knows everything, and we're taking the time we need to come to a practical decision. This is very hard for both of us, and she couldn't be more supportive. She knows I might leave, and she knows I might stay. So there is that openness. I think she would be ok with me talking about same-sex attractions, but that is hard for me to do right now myself. It's all so new to me.

    I think time will tell how far on the gay-denial train I'm on. I'm excited to see. I just also do not want to lose this lovely person I have. So I'll give it the time it needs, but for the first time, more comfortably than ever. Who knows, maybe my therapist is right about me being bi and not gay. With his own gayness, he has experience with that. Maybe he's wrong too, so we'll see. But he's been surprisingly right about everything so far, to my shock.
     
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    As long as you have open communication with your girlfriend, I think things will eventually work out. You will work through your self-acceptance process, and in the end it will be obvious whether it's right for you to be together or not. So, it seems to me like you are doing the right thing.

    Have you asked yourself if you will be satisfied if you never have a relationship with a man?
     
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    Hi Ianthe,

    So after another therapy session, it's seeming more and more like I am probably more gay oriented than straight. This is very hard for me. I still can't believe it. An entire adolescence and adult life of female fantasies, but I guess my relationship shed light on the reality. It really is seeming that way to me. I'm really grieving here.

    Honestly, I think at some point, I may just have to become comfortable with being with a man. I'm sure I will grow to love it. It's just so hard to deal with it on the second day after really coming out to myself. I just always saw myself with a women from day 1, in every way. But I think I made a lot of it up to myself. Like, I found women really sexual, but now, the pendulum has really swung. I never would have expected it. I'm really sad, and sorry to say, freaking angry at this twist of fate. I know things will be ok, but I'm still really mad and sad.

    My girlfriend is not from this country, and she is a student. She has to make a choice soon as to whether to stay here for another year or to go back to her country. Before all this, I was thinking I was just depressed and I needed to work it out and we could get married. It's becoming more clear that this likely will not be the case. But I love her so much, that to lose her would be tragic for me. She feels the same. It's been so hard on us. So I think we can have a year of a grace period living together. I'm sure we'll be intimate, but I don't think it will be the same as living with a man for me. And she needs a good lover too, though she is very satisfied already by our love life. But I think she needs a straight man.

    It does break my heart to think that we won't be together. But I think that might be the way to go. This feels like almost grieving after death. But I know that life picks up afterwards, despite the difficulties. For example, my grandmother saw me today, asked me how my g/f is doing, and I told her she was fine. She then said, "I hope your relationship isn't temporary". I smiled and said, "we'll see", knowing full well that it might be.

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    We all go through a grieving process as we come out, and you are right, it is very like grieving a death. See this: Stages of Grief. I think you are experiencing anger, bargaining, and depression right now, kind of all at once or fluctuating between them. That's normal. It's good that you are pretty much completely out of denial now.

    You and your girlfriend need to discuss very seriously whether living together for a year will make this better, or actually worse. Will it actually function as a "grace period," or will the attachment just get stronger and make it even harder on both of you?
     
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    Hi Musician

    I am one of many guys on here who discovered later in life that I am gay. I was in my mid 40s when I realised I had feelings for men and I have to say it came as a complete surprise and really shook me up. It has taken me 7 years to accept this fact and feel comfortable with saying I’m gay. Just over a year ago I came out to my therapist who was actually treating me for PTSD but it felt like a great weight had been lifted. I now have the very difficult and painful task of coming out to my wife, something I intend to do in the next few weeks.

    Although I never felt anything for guys before my 40s, when I look back on my life now, I do recognise moments in time when the opportunity to go down the gay path presented itself. I can now clearly see them in my mind as though watching them on an HD TV, I can only conclude that it was my internal subconscious homophobia blocking the idea I was gay earlier in my life.

    As I have become older the calling to go down the gay route has become so loud in my mind that I can no longer think of anything else, it’s with me 24/7 and interfering with my work life.

    You are fortunate that you are younger when you realised your gay/bi feelings and don’t have the complication of being married, so good luck to you and I hope everything works out well for both of you.

    Sale Gay Guy
     
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    Yeah, that's a really good point. We are both seeing my therapist Monday, most likely, to discuss this going forward. Do you think forming an attachment would be unhealthy, under these circumstances? I'm wondering if this might be that since this is new, I might be really strongly attracted to guys, but considering my hetero history, if it's just not something I need to feed every once in a while, whether through fantasy or even real life play. Like, will I miss women, including sexually, at some point when I'm fully with a guy, and will that attraction fluctuate back, since I denied it for so many years in the first place? And then it will be my biggest regret to lose her? What experiences have people had with this sort of thing?

    If that is true, and she is open to it (possibly), would polyamory be the way to go? She already expressed interest in a threesome. Am I in the bargaining stages here or does this sound reasonable?

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    Holy shit Sale, glad to hear that. That's tough to hear. God, I probably have a long path ahead of me. Did you experiment on those attractions? If so, how was it? And you are sure that this is the right decision for you? Are you 100% gay now? Or on the vast majority? Do you think my own denial could have been THAT STRONG? I ask, because I am facing the same questions. It's so scary. I can't believe all those years of lesbian porn and girlfriends and I'm gay/bi. I'm fucking shocked, haha.
     
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