General News Antifa coup 4. November

I've never heard of Antifa attacking people just for being white (hell, many members themselves are white). Perhaps "official" Klan activity is on the wane, but its pretty obvious that Trump and his ilk have emboldened many people to carry out attacks on various minority groups. It's not surprising, really, that in these circumstances there would be individuals who give an extreme reaction.

We have the freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean others can't respond. I feel a *little* safer, knowing that not everyone is just standing back while these groups try to intimidate everyone. How many protesters and counter protesters were attacked prior to the election? Weren't several groups threatening armed revolution if Trump lost?

Regarding consequences, a quick Google search brings up mugshots and recent arrests. They face violence, themselves, but put their own personal safety aside to fight the larger threat. And apparently that stabbing was a false report?

Anyway, seeing that I'm neither white, straight, or conservative, I am far more fearful of supremacists and "patriots". A group of people who disrupt their protests? Not so much. The fact that more people seem to see them as the problem IS the problem, just like so many folk were okay with Cheetoman after his anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, anti-woman rhetoric.

 

This reminded me of a funny video I saw. One Antifa member yelling at another Antifa member for being white, and ordering him to attack more white people, as he defends himself saying he has been beating them up for days already. The end where she says "this is your fault, you're white, you're inherently racist" to another member of her own organization, is just awesome too.



If they are willing to talk that way to their own members, and mention violence that casually in front of tons of people, yeah they have no problem attacking white people for being white. In most of these type of videos I've seen, when Antifa says "nazi" they mean "any white guy who looks even slightly Republican."

 

Well, its like I said, they aren't a unified group like Democrats, KKK, or whatever. The only thing they have in common is what they're against. Do they even refer to themselves as "Antifa"? And I'm unsure if that guy is a "member", or someone who just decided to support them. Either way, I'm not surprised there would be disagreements.

It's on the extreme side, but "punch a Nazi" is a phrase you hear thrown around in some circles. Apparently, she doesn't think he's pulling his own weight, and should do more. I feel this way about America in general, since all the insanity that's been going down since November. It was pretty disappointing to see how many LGBT folk supported or were neutral/tolerant towards Trump, but not surprising.

Also don't think racism is something anyone is born with, but learned while growing up. I noticed there were less "barriers" between myself and white classmates in kindergarten, but later, groups became more stratified, and stereotypes, negative experiences, etc. became more of an issue.

 

I'd say it looks like a bunch of "Good intentions, bad methods". The more extreme stuff is going to attract a lot of crazy people too. And the more crazy people in one place... yeah. You know how that goes.

Want to keep the microphone out of the wrong hands? Fine by me. Want to cut off their hands to do it? A bit overkill don't you think?

I'm not too afraid in this case personally though. I just wish people could make more rational decisions. How will one expect to lead by example, if they're stooping to the level of the very ones they appose? That doesn't exactly scream "Hey, I'm doing the right thing, follow me kids!"

 

If we look at the FBI statistics, 49 people were killed by white supremacists between 2000 - 2016 making them the most deadly domestic extremist group in the United States. Yet still these people are allowed to have rallies, hold fundraising events and press conferences all across the United States. It just shows the degree to which hypocrisy and racism is so deeply entrenched in American society. The criticisms levelled against Antifa is just a smokescreen to distract attention away from the real problem of white supremacist terrorism.

 

That is a highly misleading statistic, and I have evidence disproving it. I highlighted the main part in the screenshot below. Gangs by their very nature are violent domestic extremist groups, and they are far more organized than the loose label of "white supremacist" that could apply to any criminal who ever said they don't like minorities. The majority of gang members are also non-white. As you said there were 49 deaths by white supremacists in a 16 year time frame. Yet as you can see below, there were 2,000 gang killings every single year for at least 5 consecutive years in recent history, many of which were racially motivated (A Hispanic gang doesn't like black/white/asian people etc.)

That is at the minimum 10,000 deaths by domestic gang extremists who are mostly non-white, compared to 49 deaths caused by white supremacist extremist violence. That number of course includes white gangs too, but they are far outnumbered by minority gangs. They are all bad obviously, but it is blatantly untrue to say white supremacists are the most deadly group.

Those same gang members are also participating in those same rallies, fundraisers, and press conferences by the way, as groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter both have absorbed a significant amount of gang members over the years.



Source: https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-of-gang-problems

 

Antifa are known for their vandalism and their street fighting; they are not known for killing people. There has been little killing on either side, actually, despite the exaggerated and alarmist rhetoric of both.

However, most notably there has been a recent killing in one of these clashes, that of the woman who was run over intentionally by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. That should have been talked about more, but the talk about it was all fairly disappointing.

Not that I am making excuses for the kind of street-fighting that these groups engage in (I find it all disgusting and a sad reflection of what this nation is degrading into), but we have to draw a line between those who are simply in it to punch people and make them angry and those who are trying to kill.

 

Gangs are terrorists once they attack non gang related people. Terrorists have a political agenda and they target innocent civilians in an attempt to influence political parties and the general public.

A gang member murdering a rival gang members is different from a terrorist who goes out and actually targets someone because of their race, ethnicity, religious belief or sexual identity.

Any of us can get caught up in gang violence and die as a result of it but a terrorist will specifically target you to kill you to accomplish a political purpose.

Gangs kill way more people than white supremacists but let's put this in perspective. Between 2002 and 2015 white supremacists have killed more people in the U.S than Islamic terrorism.

Therefore, if you think Islamic terrorism is a serious problem then so is white supremacy as well.

 

Well, of course it was a disappointment cause the whole thing was made up out of whole cloth by a dumb ass bail bondsman. It was then picked up on by conspiracy mongering shit heads like Alex Jones, finding easy marks among various fascists, Nazis, white supremacists, and other dumb dumbs who are inclined to believe the worst about 'the other' to justify their violent fantasies.

I am disgusted, and will always be, every time I see this sort of pro-fascist talk on this website, given the way that marginalized people, including LGBTQ people I must add, have been treated by Nazis, the KKK and far right movements in general. These are people who would gladly murder every person who participates at this site.

 

>fascists playing the victim card

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Every time you call a fascist out on their shit, they are all like BUT WHAT ABOUT ANTIFA. As if one group being scum makes you less of a scum.

Do not spread and support the fascist narrative, please.

 

You know, a very large reason why the people you don't like are gaining power quickly is because of people saying things exactly like your post.

For the last year or two, anyone who doesn't fall in line with radical leftist groups are immediately labeled "fascists" or "oppressors" when in reality the vast majority of them are in fact, actually just moderates who aren't on either radical side. They only seem more right-wing because the left has gone WAY into the extreme radicalism stuff lately, so being a moderate looks conservative compared to it.

Those moderates do notice, however, that only one side (the one you support) repeatedly throws attacks against them for not falling in line with the group-think mentality, and calls them fascists (like you just did) when they dare to think for themselves.

This cycle inevitably pushes the moderates towards actual right-wing conservatism, because if they are going to get unfairly accused of it all the time anyway, they might as well just go for it and support the far-right. They don't necessarily agree with the radical ideas, but it's a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation.

So yeah, the more you throw around buzzwords like fascist for no reason, the more people you are converting to your enemy's way of thinking. Not really a great strategy.

 

What is the radical left? Can I have specific names for these groups apart from Antifa?

Is BLM considered as the radical left? Are they responsible for the rise of white supremacy in America?

I notice that anything that does not conform to the white, heterosexual male standard is considered to be the radical left.

 

I forgot Christian. In SOME parts of America anything that does not conform to a white, Christian, heterosexual, male perspective is considered to be the radical left.

 

Now, where did I imply that by fascist I mean all right-wingers? I have quite a few right-wing views myself and a few right-wing friends. What I do not like is Charlottesville-level thugs who use the antifa scare to protect themselves and play victim, and do not say me these do not exist, I have been in their community for a whole and know how dangerous and widespread they really are.

 

Yes to both of those questions. BLM is a complete fraud of a group whose only actual purpose is organizing blacks into an anti-white mob mentality for political purposes. They don't care at all about helping black people, as they have shown many times by ignoring anything that doesn't involve a white person, all they care about is inciting a mob mentality like anarchists, not genuinely helping the black community.

I have personally watched many white people turn against black people specifically because of BLM and their anti-white antics. BLM has done absolutely nothing but harm the black community and turn white people against them due to their never-ending white-blaming for every problem on Earth.

I'm from Miami. There are endless amounts of legitimate pro-communist, pro-socialism, pro-Marxism groups here because this city somehow ended up as the dumping ground for all the Hispanic groups who were displaced by the various revolutions and civil wars over the last few decades, and brought their political views with them from their formerly communist/socialist countries. You know who all of those communist/socialist groups support? BLM, Antifa, the Democratic Party, Clinton etc.

That is what I mean by the radical left. BLM and Antifa type groups are so similar to legitimate communist/socialists from other countries that they now support each other and are intertwined. That is not a good thing for a capitalist country like the US.

 

I just realized I forgot to include specific names as you requested, so here are some:

Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional (supporters of the Nicaraguan socialist government, their current American section anyways)

True Cuban patriots for Castro (Pro- Fidel Castro group)

Leninists for a new America (supporters of Vladimir Lenin's form of Communism, there is a surprisingly large Russian population in Miami)

The Black Panther Party (Yes, they still exist here)

 

From your examples it is clear that left wing radicalism in the United States is dead!

The right wing on the other hand is alive and well and you can see it in the the influence of the white evangelical Christian groups on the current state of American politics. You just have to look at how someone like Roy Moore was able to do so well despite him being homophobic, misogynist and racist. The United States is more likely to be plunged into disaster from the actions of a right wing extremist than from a left wing extremist.