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Loneliness and dysphoria

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by Rayland, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Rayland

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    This is a vent. I just wish I'd be happy with myself and not so negative all the time or feel lonely all the time. Is it appropriate to name it as an chronic loneliness, because this is how it feels like. I feel though I have a very conflicting personality. I'm lonely, but at the same time sozializing tires me out. I also hope I can deal with this dysphoria properly soon. If it goes on for longer time I'm scared that it might harm my well being. It's already at the point, where it's causing me to have nausea.
     
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    I don't really know how to reply.

    My friends used to tell me "I will be there for you in the high and in the lows, through the storm and through the shine, through the pain/suffering and through the joy/happiness. No matter what you are going through, I will be there for you"

    So, I know we don't know each other personally, but same thing goes for you "I will be there for you in the high and in the lows, through the storm and through the shine, through the pain/suffering and through the joy/happiness. No matter what you are going through, I will be there for you". I hope you get to feeling better, I'm here if you wanna talk
     
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    I thought of some other stuff to say

    When I was younger, and this still happens to me today I had a phobia of Being alone or being lonely, A mix of both (Its Called Autophobia) (Hopefully this makes sense and helps a little) my parents loved to go on vacations without me, and everything (To the store, the park, etc) it got to the point were I was so freaking lonely and that I was always alone, I would have to deal with any kind of pain, alone and it literally scared me to death to the point were being lonely and being alone would make me throw up, because dizzy, and faint (Please don't think that, that might happen to you also) but then I made some really good friends who tell me a whole lot back then "I will be there for you in the high and in the lows, through the storm and through the shine, through the pain/suffering and through the joy/happiness. No matter what you are going through, I will be there for you" and when I needed them they were there for me, faster then flash could be.

    I think all you need is some really really good friends, and try to distract yourself, play a game, go outside and run 30 miles, whatever makes you get your mind off of stuff.

    I hope you get better soon!
     
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    Thank you. Your message today brought warmth inside and I'm very grateful. Same to you. If you ever wish to talk or need support, then my PM's are open. I'm staff, so you can send them to me.

    I do have good friends I talk to and who know about me.

    Someone on another platform said this to me:

    it makes sense that dysphoria (especially having to mask it) would contribute to socialising being super exhausting. and its hard to connect to people when you cant present the way you want to. i dont see any reason not to name what youre describing as chronic loneliness, thats exactly what it sounds like.

    I do think it's all mostly related to dysphoria and me transitioning and thinking me loosing everything once I do transition. These fears are irrational, because I do have supportive friends.

    I just have had hard time to find someone to have deep connection with, because the last person who I never had a chance with was like a soulmate to me.
     
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    Hey bud.

    As for your dysphoria, unfortunately I don't know how it is to feel it, so I don't know if I can be very helpful. Anyhow, you know I'm here if you ever need to talk or to vent. I can imagine how bad you might be feeling, even though I haven't gone through your pain.

    As for the other thing you mentioned (feeling lonely all the time, and even so getting tired of socialising), I can relate perfectly. So, I totally feel you. Sometimes we can be surrounded by lots of people who try to help us, but there is something (a tough feeling we don't know how to identify) that it's still there and doesn't go even by talking or spending time with our friends. I bet that many have experienced so in their lives.

    Maybe a good thing to do would be to take some time for yourself, as Meowz said, and distract yourself with something you really enjoy and forget about the rest of the world. I've talked to you and I know that you're always there to help others, but maybe (I don't know) it would be great to give yourself your space and your time.

    I don't know if I'm talking rubbish or not. But you're a great person and you deserve to be happy.

    And I don't know what else to say, but I send you a big warm hug and remember you're not alone. Feel free to leave me a PM if you ever need to vent.
     
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    Thank you friend,

    no you aren't talking rubbish. Don't worry. I do need to do some self care, even though I get together with my friends and we're having coffee and cake in a caffe, then it's mostly them venting to me and I really don't get to let my own feelings out this much, so this makes me feel lonely and I just now realized it. I do feel ignored a lot.

    The only way I know how to explain my dysphoria is always having this tight feeling within my chest and skin overall. In bad days it gets tighter and tighter inside, that I get teary and don't know what to do with myself. I get really uncomfortable. Everyone experiences it differently, but this is how it is for me. There is like this dissonance between my body and soul. I imagine my soul and body differently and this is what helps me to get through it. Even now I talk through my soul and my body is completely different being. It's just a shell. My soul exists on another level and I do everything by letting my soul direct my body. I guess this is depersonalizing, but this really is the only thing that kinda helps me. I don't feel like I'm really ever present within myself. My own body scares me. The good thing is that this line between my body and soul starts to get weaker the more I can be myself. I feel like once I get on T it will help with my dysphoria a lot, though I can't be sure.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that. It might be cool to find a balance. I mean: everybody has their time to vent. If you are not able to express your feelings, do you think it's because you don't feel comfortable expressing them or because you don't have a chance (I mean everyone talks about their problems and there's no space for you to talk) or, maybe, a bit of both?

    Wow, that's a tough feeling. All you can do in order to ease that pain will be good for you, so if imagining your soul and your body being two different entities helps you to make you feel better, I don't think it does any harm. I mean, I'm not a therapist, but I guess everyone has their little strategies to feel better when they'r going through a bad time. Hopefully, as long as you get closer to get on T and let yourself be you, you will feel better. Hold on, my friend, you're walking towards your objective and even if the steps seem short (which are not; you're making a great progress), you're moving forward.

    Sorry for not being very helpful. Hugs
     
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    Mainly because I don't feel comfortable and it feels like my feelings get all brushed aside, whenever I'm trying to bring stuff up, like something they don't wish to think about, so I give up trying. It's mainly related to gender stuff though.

    It's okay. Talking already helps. Hugs.
     
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    I understand. On the one side you don't feel comfortable enough, and on the other side you don't feel that you get your space in the cases you'd like to talk about your problems. Is there any very good friend you trust enough in your group of friends you can talk about that? Anyway, you don't have to if you don't feel like.

    I know talking to somebody face to face can be more helpful than doing it online. Anyhow, don't forget you have this great community that will support you no matter what. It might not be a solace to you, when you're having a bad time in your real life, but you're not alone in this.

    I know what I said is not very helpful probably, so sorry again.

    Thank you. That's so kind of you. Warm hugs. :slight_smile:
     
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    Exactly this. I trust my friend, we've been friends for years, even though we didn't talk for years either. Now we talk a lot more. She misgendered me a lot and still does that occassionally, though she knows. We've even fought about it, but I don't want to add to her depression. She has a son with disabilities and a job she hates, because the pay is awful, but no other options really. Both these frends I'm hanging with have had hard time. Other one of has been to a lot of funerals, because people keep dying around her and is lonely like me and she has her own mental issues and love troubles. Both of them have been suicidal. It's seems like I'm attracting people like this. I like to think that people who come into our lives are with us for a reason. Maybe we all need to learn from each other.

    I have always been really shy too. To the point I never talked to any strangers and was scared to say anything around them. Low self esteem have contributed to it all.

    I've come far regarding it all though. The shyness still shows and even with my own friends I keep my feelings to myself to avoid conflict, but I am much better about it all as I don't allow people to use me as a marionette anymore and stump all over my feelings.
     
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    I see. Well, it's a very difficult situation. Obviously, your friends have their problems, quite serious also. I don't know what to say in this case. Socialising has never been my thing, as well. I understand you want to help your friends and that's very honourable on your side.

    You've talked about shyness and low self esteem as issues that have been an obstacle for you, but even though they're still there (as far as I understand), you seem to be on your way to overcome them. And that's something that should make you feel proud of yourself.

    Exactly, you're a person with your own feelings too and friendship, as I see it, should be a balance. That is, for instance: "I'm there when you need me, and you're there when I need you". I've noticed that introverts and shy people (I say that because I consider myself an introvert too), sometimes attract people who might take advantage on their shyness and that is very hurtful. Anyway, that shouldn't stop us for trying to improve our social relationships and the way we interact with other people. We might have things more difficult but we can't give up. It's our own happiness and our own well-being what we're fighting for and that's something that no one should ignore. Easier said than done, of course.

    I don't know if any of this makes sense for you.

    Hugs.
     
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    It all makes a lot of sense. :slight_smile: And I am proud of myself.

    I've noticed that the times when I feel the loneliest and really want to talk, is when I have the dysphoria, like right now. Talking somehow helps me to distract myself from it all and my dysphoria seems better for a bit.
     
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    Rayland.....You know that we are always here for you. Whenever you need help or encouragement we are only a keyboard away. I wish that it would be possible to give you a real hug, but I know that I am over 5000 miles from where you live! So here are my hugs. ***HUG** ***HUG*** ***HUG*** :hearts::hearts: .....David :gay_pride_flag:
     
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    Giving you a hug. I appreciate it very much.

    This is all why I have no choice, when it comes to transitioning. It's a life and death matter for me. I'd be devastated if I'd be denied or my appointment time cancelled, because with this government nothing like this is impossible. Now the waiting lists are up to the 2026 winter. Mine is luckily next year, problably at the end of that before 2025. I won't be suprised if it is.
     
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    I'm going to tell my parents on the 4th about it all. I decided it's the right time. I can't keep hiding from them.
     
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    That's huge and I'm hoping it goes great! I'll be with you in spirit and cheering for you! :hugging:
     
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    Thank you. I was inspired and got the push needed. I put myself tarot cards and all the cards that I pulled said that I will succeed and to just do it already that I forge my own path. If not now then never. My sister accepts, she knows and my mom will surely as well. My dad might not like it, but my parents love me, so I'm confident it will be allright. Some my relatives know and accept me too. My aunt made a morbid joke and told my cousin her mom my grandma will die, before I manage to tell her. My cousin was shocked. :grin: I might suprise my aunt with this. After telling my parents I will fully come out.
     
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    Wow that's so awesome and I like the forge your path part! We're all pulling for you bud!
     
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    It's great that you've noticed what triggers your dysphoria. Talking is a good thing to do always, especially when you feel lonely and your dysphoria appears.

    The good thing about EC is that you have a lot of people who are available to talk to you. We may not be there physically, but we're there in the distance.

    In my case, you can talk to me whenever you need it. I may not answer immediately, but lately I try to connect here at least once a day. Also, I probably won't have a solution, but I'll be willing to listen to you. And, by the way, talking also helps me when I'm feeling lonely and talking to a good friend like you who is intelligent and kind is always very interesting and helpful. I'm also aware that you have here a lot of friends who would do the same for you. So, don't feel lonely and ask for help and talk whenever you need it. That's what EC is about. :slight_smile:

    Edited: I've read your plans of coming out and I wish you the best of lucks.
     
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    Rayland.....I will be sure to be thinking of you on the 4th! I hope so much that it will go well and that they will be kind and supportive. You know that we all are here for you and love you. :hearts:
    .....David :gay_pride_flag:
     
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