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Is this straight homophobia or internalized homophobia?

Discussion in 'Family, Friends, and Relationships' started by Adymoe, Aug 24, 2023.

  1. Adymoe

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    My friend (19 y/o Christian Male) is very homophobic. I just can't tell if it's straight homophobia or internalized homophobia. I just don't know if I should feel sorry for him or not. I'll add that I am out to him as Bisexual.

    They say those who shout the loudest have the most to hide and it sure seems to be his case. He makes it very clear that he dislikes LGBTQ people. He's not comfortable being around them (only reason he's close with me is because I came out to him 2 years into our friendship). The day I did tell him, he asked me what I was into. When I told him how much I enjoy gay oral sex he didn't respond and when I asked why he said "you made me really uncomfortable with that comment". He has preached about how pride shouldn't exist and flags should be burned, blah blah blah. When he started masturbating he used to watch lesbian porn because he didnt want to see dicks. He began his struggle with depression and anxiety early as well.

    The other day we shared a hotel room with his brother while on a trip. The 2 of us shared a bed and I guess in the middle of the night I ended up snuggling with him. It woke him up and he pushed me away. The following morning not once but twice he brought it up in front of his brother and complained about me trying to spoon him. Then while I was in the bathroom getting ready I had pink shorts on. I must have appeared naked to him because he walked into the doorway and said "WTF, why are you naked? Oh neverminf you're not" I told him to relax and he said "I would have been pissed if you were naked, if I wanted to see that I'd sneak and do it". Meanwhile his brother would have just laughed it off...

    The biggest flag I got was when on 2 separate occasions, we walked into an amusement park (I was along side his brother and he was walking 10 feet ahead alone), I heard him say to himself "I'm definitely straight, look at all these girls". I just found that odd, why question yourself if you're not insecure? One day we were texting about girls and he said "atleast the girls around me are hotter than you"? Is he implying I'm still hot I sent him a mirror pic of my gym progress and you could clearly see my bulge in my shorts so I covered it with an emoji and he still got annoyed with me!

    So he has had a couple girlfriends and actively seeks them. He checks them out in public, makes it clear when he sees one he finds attractive, and is sexually active. I assume he's bisexual. I just wasn't sure if I'm reading too much into it and he's just a straight homophobic asshole. I just know at this point if I ever tried to make a move on him he would lose his mind.
     
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    He seems like he's constantly informing you that he's straight so you don't forget and make any moves on him. He's certainly rude about it, though.
    I can't wrap my head around why every straight person is called homophobic just because they don't want any sexual relation with the same sex.
     
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    Can't really help, but I'm just glad my friendships with other girls don't have this sort of weirdness. I don't actively try to out myself but when I've made it known I am into girls as well, it has mostly been something other girls have found interesting about me and not something thats weird/unpleasant. I will admit that I have sometimes taken the interest in it as a sign that they might be interested in finding out and that mostly isn't the case, which has sometimes been awkward but only once has it been terminal for the friendship.
     
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    Hard [lol!] to tell, Ady -
    It takes some folks a while, others quite awhile to courageously look into their sexuality, I think - you guys are way younger than I, so it's more difficult for fellows my age - looking back, though, I do know I was most definitely attracted sexually to a number of gorgeous males throughout my life - it's really up to your friend to seek the boldness to explore his own sexuality [which he alone knows better than anyone] If he's too afraid to do so, well, that's where his head is at - is he someone you would like to engage with sexually?
     
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    So him saying gays should go to hell, burn the pride flag, pride shouldn't exist, etc doesn't make him homophobic? That's interesting
     
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    If he made a move on me I would gladly accept it.
     
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    He is trying a bit too hard to convince others (and himself) and that always sets off alarm bells with me.

    Straight men who are entirely secure in their own sexuality don't have hang ups and irrational fears about gay men and they don't feel ill at ease in the company of gay men either. They know who they are and don't need to prove anything to anyone or convince anyone.

    The incident in the hotel was ridiculous. First of all, why did he choose to share the bed with you rather than his brother? Wouldn't it have been more logical for two siblings to share the bed?
    Second point: so what if you had been naked in the bathroom? I mean, it's kind of normal for people to be naked or semi naked in a bathroom. Is he that much of a prude that he daren't allow himself to see another guys dick? How would he cope in a male changing room, where other guys are changing and showering together? All of this, combined with his supposed reluctance to watch porn involving another guy (which I seriously doubt) screams of insecurity about his sexual orientation. Hiding behind the banner of faith doesn't wash either, since many millions of Christians around the world have no concerns about sexuality.

    I think this is a classic example of shouting loud because he has a lot to hide.
     
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    Does not seem tho as if he will - he may remain a distant love for you? I was thinking about a friend this morning in a way I hadn't before, but am not really sure I'd want to initiate putting out feelers of interest - something to ponder as life goes on - you may want to try getting yourself into situations where it's just the two of you? Not certain, tho - possibly even if it came to a sexual thing he may come back yet more vehemently against queer folk -

    life is risk, it seems, bears true here as well as in other aspects of it

    - or it might be wise to let him work through his own orientation journey - perhaps gently seek ways to truly comprehend his mind on it - has he sought to fathom his thoughts and where and how they entered into his head? for that's what's driving us all

    Wisdom!
     
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    Exactly. and on top of all that, what straight guy walks out into the public and says to himself "im definitely straight, look at all these girls"...i know my straight friends are comfortable enough with their sexuality that they dont need to reassure themselves they are straight on multiple occasions.
     
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    This is likely someone who is battling internally who they are attracted to. A friend of mine that I've known for close to 20 years told stories of when he first began to come to terms that he might have same sex attraction. He became very religious (his parents are not) and told stories of how, at age 13-15 he'd go into gay chatrooms and tell everyone they were going to hell and various other things.

    It was his way of convincing himself he was straight.

    By 17 or 18, he'd totally accepted himself, come out, rejected his Christian religion, and is now a scholar/professor in Buddhist studies.
     
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    My friend and his brother go to church everyday, they are very religious. The catch tho is that this friends brother is not homophobic. He doesn't agree with gays but he has no homophobic behavior at all like the brother in this post does. The difference is black and white. My friends off the charts homophobia sure makes it seem like his way of "turning himself straight". Christ he's not even comfortable giving me a hug anymore. It's sad
     
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    I agree with what @PatrickUK said. The guy seems to have major issues concerning his sexuality - otherwise he probably wouldn’t be so afraid of anyone seeing his penis, or seeing anyone’s else penis, for that matter. The same thing with porn. And the way he tries to convince everyone he’s straight as a rail? It would likely serve better to convince everyone that he’s not a pleasant person to be around.
     
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    It's definitely over the top. Every single one of my straight friends would laugh it they walked in on me naked. It's so not a big deal. But it is for someone who's overly homophobic and insecure I guess.
     
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    I have an update if anyone is interested. We've hung out quite a bit since i posted and hes been trying to get closer with me physically. Im still keeping things at a minimum so he doesnt lead me onto anything though. The other day we sat down at a restaurant table, I was sitting next to the window and he was sitting to the right of me. His brother and brothers gf were sitting across from us. There was a few feet of space between my friend and I but I noticed he would keep inching himself closer to me. He adjusted his chair 5 times during a span of 5 minutes in order to be closer to me. The 5th time he inched closer to me he looked me dead in the eyes with a weird stare almost as if he was trying to tell me something but didn't wanna say anything out loud? So I gave in and moved as close to him as I could. I ended up brushing my right leg up against his left and we then had our legs glued to eachother for almost 10 minutes straight.

    i hung out with him again last night and kind of kept my distance from him at first to see how he'd respond and I could tell he was a bit confused again. But both times we sat down at a table he sat on my side with me instead of with his brother. Anyways we left the park we were at and went to his brother's apartment. The 3 of them were laying in the brothers bed, I decided to change my shirt in front of them and when I took it off my friend kept peaking at my stomach and v line. Then I walked to the bathroom and he said "your ass looks bigger in those pants" (I bought new sweatpants). Then I joined them in the bed, my friend wanted to show me some video on his phone so I layed next to him and rested my head on his chest and he didn't move. That afterwards we watched a TV show and I layed my head across his thighs the whole time and he didn't care.

    Here's where things get uglier for me tho....me and my friend left his brothers and went to my friends apartment for the night. He's laying in his bed, I'm laying on the air mattress next to his bed. He decided to bring up the fact that the first week he moved into this apartment he had a girl over and hasn't had one over since. He said they didn't have intercourse but did other stuff. So I asked him what they did and he was hesitant to tell me at first but said she fingered his ass while she sucked him off and he said it felt very good to him. He enjoyed it a lot. But then he said "I googled it because i was worried and I guess lots of straight guys enjoy it". Then he mentioned how he hasn't cum in 12 days and I thought he was going to maybe say he wanted to get off but he said he wants to stop masterbating and wait until marriage before he cums again which is absurd!! Because he's only 19 and single. I then told him about the gay experiences I've had and made it clear to him how good I am at sucking dick. He stayed silent and we went to sleep
     
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    Then the following day we went to Kalahari water park and I lost count on the amount of times he was checking out my happy trail and v-line. We went into one of the pools and played water basketball and were jumping all over eachothers wet bodies. It felt pretty good lol