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Porn As An Indication Of Sexuality

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Andoni, Feb 4, 2023.

  1. Andoni

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    Thanks Rayland, your earlier post about porn was helpful too. I think perhaps I phrased the question too broadly.

    I can see how people can look at porn for entertainment value or simply because horny stuff on camera makes people horny regardless of orientation in many cases. I think the question really is, if you are looking at gay porn specifically because you like the activities depicted, you are turned on by the actors' genitalia and what it can do and you enjoy it specifically because you can envision yourself being an active participant in the scenes you view or you look at pictures and the pictures are of naked people of the same sex and that's a turn on because of how you would like to interact with what you see, is that not a pretty strong indicator of sexual preference? It seems like a rhetorical question, yet I still ask, haha.

    Thanks for your latest reply too. It's really helpful to hear how others have grappled with this.

    I do think that there are factors other than simply my sexuality at play. Of course there is the aspect of children, how I am perceived by others, possibly an uncomfortable shift in terms of how I see myself and I guess yes, a sense of loss.

    There's a sense of potential excitement but I do fear throwing away what I have and getting nothing much in return. There is a lot to lose but possibly everything to gain if this would make me happier.

    I do wish I had been ready to properly confront this when I first started dating and that the world had been a more accepting and supportive place to do so.
     
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    Thanks complicated, seems like we're in similar situations. It's certainly difficult to unpack and make sense of all this stuff when you love and care about your partner. It does seem strange that we're into gay porn but don't want the romance. Or perhaps it's perfectly reasonable. I guess we don't have to think or feel anything in particular. It would be nice if things just lined up and weren't so complicated though.
     
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    It's good you ask these questions. I understand how overwhelming it all can be. I really do, but just going off based of porn isn't an indication, because it can mess with your mind and cause addiction, so you can start imagining all sort of things. Real life attractions matter more in my opinion. Masturbating to gay porn is, satisfying your immediate curiosity and horniness, but it does not define your sexuality.

    It's something that just popped in my mind, but perhaps people also watch gay porn, because of societal restrictions and it's more of a coping thing and lets their imagination run wild? Does this make sense? There can be multiple of reasons. They could have been gay from the start, but just in this strong denial and porn helps bring worth these denied feelings.
     
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    Thanks Rayland, you have a cool mind .

    Look, there has certainly been a lot of porn over the years, haha. But I watched mtf trans porn for a long time and I dated a transwoman and enjoyed the sexual aspect every bit as much as I did the porn. It wasn't just that I liked to watch that kind of porn, it was that I wanted that and when I got it, it was great.

    I now watch mostly gay porn and I think it's because I finally gave myself permission to do so. I think I avoided it in the past because it wasn't me or I didn't think it was me but once I started watching it, I enjoyed it and my perception of men started to change. I don't think I looked at men in that way previously.

    Same sex relationships used to make me uncomfortable but I've known gay couples for years now so I was used to it already and I'm even more comfortable with it now that I'm questioning my own sexuality but I guess I'm not totally at ease with it.

    It does feel a bit of a foreign concept to consider myself kissing a guy. A feminine guy, sure but a manly man. I don't know. Perhaps I've heard that concept mocked so much over the years that it's not something that I would want to think I'd desire.

    At the same time though, while I know women and gay men want to kiss their male parters, I prefer the soft, pretty look look of a woman's face over a man's ruff, rubbery look, haha.

    Also from a personality point of view, I'm used to a feminine energy which is why transwoman are so attractive and feminine gay men.
     
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    There is certainly a particular kind of freedom involved, that I appreciate. It could be that it's drawing out something that was forced out of sight when I was growing up that doesn't really get a chance to be encouraged or even considered.
     
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    It's really good that you are now more comfortable with it all, but don't let something like porn define your sexuality. Sometimes a fantasy is better left to be just as fantasy. Maybe a bad example, but If I enjoy watching cooking shows it don't mean I am a chef or want to become one in the future. It can be a pure entertainment. It offers joy and brings forth other emotions. This is all. It can enhance your experiences. We all also have our own preferences and types.
     
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    Same here mate. I think a huge concoction of things is at play with us as you've mentioned... Internalised homophobia, pressure and acceptance from society, bisexual tendencies with a physical preference for men and emotional preference for women, the taboo side of pornography, there's probably even more!
    I'm still on my journey as are you, but I do find talking about it with others really useful.

    Always happy to chat about things as you go through them
     
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    Andoni, it sounds like you've backed away from ending your relationship? Or are you still talking to guys?

    It seems that you want dominant, masculine "tops" (hate that term) but you think their very masculinity makes being with them sort of unacceptable, probably because you've learned to associate strong masculinity with being very very straight.

    Don't know if it's any consolation, but most tops in real life aren't the grunting sweaty steroid pigs you see spitting on twinks in porn. I'm a top myself and I don't consider myself "rubbery" or at all analogous to a "dirty steak" (sounds gross). And I rarely "go fishing" or "work on a home renovation project" or "play sports". I'd rather listen to classical music or read or just prance about being supergay. That doesn't mean I'm not masculine when it counts IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

    Maybe if you loosened your views of what masculinity looks like, there wouldn't be this huge gulf in your head between sensitive, romantic, fragrant females and rough, hirsute, somewhat disrespectful caveman tops.
     
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    Thanks mate, you've described the situation perfectly. Happy to chat about it with you as well. Seems like the best way of figuring things out, short of actually taking action.
     
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    Sorry mate, wasn't accusing anyone in particular of being a rubbery, dirty steak! I'm sure there are tops out there that prance around to classical bangers, I just haven't tended to see it in the wild. On the apps and in porn, the tops seem to be pretty universally unappealing and the bottoms seem to be more attractive to me. Maybe I just need to hit up a gay bar.

    I've had some opportunities but have been too non-committal to follow through. There's a bit of a tug of war going on and the opposing forces are equating to inaction.

    I'm strongly drawn to homosexuality for sure but I feel like I've missed the boat. I want to keep going down the path I'm on with my girlfriend. I want to get married and have a family because I do love her and those are things that I've always aspired to. I can't really have both things. I'm trying to avoid regret, to be honest and I'm no closer to figuring out which path is most likely to provide peace.

    The path I'm on keeps feeling wrong but I'm still drawn to the theoretical pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and if I jump ship to pursue a gay lifestyle, I envision really positive and negative realities.

    I think you're right in that the person I want may not be what I expect from the body they come in. It seems like needle in a haystack type territory though. I did find love with a transwoman, so I know that it's possible to find something rare within rarity. I already have love with someone special though, who's one of a kind. I'm not sure I'm capable of parting with that again. In some sense, I'm locked into the path of least resistance because it's still a nice place to be but I'm tugged toward demolishing the status quo.

    I want to be gay but I don't want to lose the straight perks and I don't want to end my relationship. I'm self-stuck I guess and I'm not sure what it will take to dislodge myself.
     
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    I know the conflict. Love needs to steer the ship. Wherever you find that, whichever way it leads you, you can draw strength from it to make tough decisions in your life.
     
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    This is interesting indeed.

    I am no longer aroused by porn. Certain porn used to turn me on - now nothing.

    What does it for me is male-on-male wrestling/squashing/bearhugging. That is my "porn". No sexual scenarios.

    I just watched "Bros" on Netflix and the scene where they have that play fight and pseudo-wrestling foreplay actually stimulated me.

    Even porn is complicated in my world :confounded::cry:
     
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    Don't ruin your life. Relationship with woman based on false expectations is NOT a way to hapiness.
     
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    This is interesting. Like you, I’m still quite confused about my sexuality. This question though is a no brainer for me. I would 100% want the guy so perhaps it’s a good thought experiment for people.
     
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    Do you love her or vision of life with woman and kids? It's wrong path if you are gay. Woman can't give you satisfaction in the long time. You will be missing the most important thing all the time.
     
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    This sounds so much like my situation. And it is the outcome I desire. I too have never been with anyone other than my wife. And porn does indeed turn me on! How would that look in the real world? I really have no idea! Would I be able to explore if my wife gave me permission to do so? I have no idea. The guilt would be overwhelming!!!