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Is my friend gay?

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  1. zgaynz

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    For me, it would be hard to construe his actions in any other form other than interest but I don't have the best track record when it comes to picking up signals. If you're concerned that if you make a move to test the waters that he may push you away and you lose a friendship that you clearly value, then I would do nothing. But that's me.

    If I had a friend who I knew was openly gay or bisexual and single in my younger days then I may have tried sending some signals like he has in the hopes that he would initiate something once I was comfortable and felt safe enough to do so. That way I could justify in my mind that I wasn't the one to initiate it so my sexuality isn't under as much scrutiny as it would be had I started it. Signals are far easier than simply talking about it as you can laugh those off.

    However, in your case neither of you are out but it does looks like to me that he's testing the waters and something may eventually happen on it's own and that itself may completely change your friendship so you'd have to ask yourself, what do I want the most, his friendship or something a little more? Do you want something to happen?

    Would I have sent signals to someone based on a suspicion that he may be gay? No, but again, that's me, I can't speak for anyone else.

    I'm afraid I think this something you'll have to work out for yourself. I'm just speaking from my own struggles when I started my journey so it's pure speculation when it comes to your scenario. If you do choose to initiate something, then I would start of small, such as return his affections and hope it grows from there.
     
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    People are so different. I took to being bi then gay like a fish to water. Some people take to it like a turtle. They have to incubate hatch and slowly go to the water. Be open and honest tell him how you feel. Ask him direct offer him some time. . Tell him you understand.
    Did you two have any physical contact when you saw him . Cuddle hold hands kiss?
     
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    You may be right about him not reciprocate, because he want to feel unexposed. Once he told me that he don't like to show emotions, he thinks it's a weakness. However I see bits of progress every time we meet - small signs to show me that he's happy. For example; I gave him a long kiss to the cheek. He closed his eyes and put his hand on my neck. He reciprocated in his own careful way.

    Yes, we did. All details in first post.
     
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    When are you going to see your friend again? Keep us posted
     
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    Thank you for asking. I wanted to make an update, but I wasn't sure if anyone was still interested in this.

    We met for Holidays and then next weekend for the New Year. It was first time we met in so short intervals. We started to go out for a walk together without his mother (she was always with us before). We talked a lot about various things. For the first time ever he shared with me his worries. On my departure day he escorted me for a train. I finally said that I like spending time with him. He was intrigued and told me to not be sad and endure this time until we meet again. So I guess it's a progress.

    At physical level nothing really changed yet. He still playing those games with me, but he pushed them a little further. He loves when I spoon him from behind. He realized I got hard and started to twitch his buttocks! What should I think about it? He want me to bang him?! He must be crazy if he thinks that I'll make this move without his official approval! It looks like he's trying to provoke me. He studied me very well, he knows what turns me on and he's using it (I'm not complaining here:blush:). I gave up trying to understand him. I'll let the time do its thing. We have very deep romantic relation. At one point I thought he might be asexual or demisexual as he's not really interested in anything more than cuddling. But then he does things like that...

    I think it's important to mention something about his mother. At beginning I hesitated cuddling with him in her presence, but he was keep telling me to not worry about that. One day we were laying in really intimate cuddle and she was about to enter the room. He was assuring me so many times so I've decided to do nothing. She entered the room, looked at us and said "oh, they're laying". She took something and left the room like nothing happened. Does she know?! I'm so confused... I don't know what's going on anymore. Yes, I could just ask him, but he's still in safe position and nothing stop him from laughing me out and call me delusional.
     
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    Just from reading this I genuinely think you should go for it and tell him how you feel. Still 100% your decision, just a suggestion. It seems like he wants you as much as you want him to me. If his mom was that nonchalant about seing you two cuddled up like that she probably knows, but don't just assume that.
     
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    Last thing I want is a guy who plays games. Seems like you two have known each other for awhile. Tell him its time put up or shut up. Sorry for being so blunt. But the last thing you want to do is put in so much time for nothing. You are doing the traveling.
     
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    So have you spoken to your friend or have seen him?
     
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    I hope she does know, it would make things easier.
    Thank you again for showing interest. Put up or shut up you say... Sure, if I openly ask him then he will have to respond. When I lose my patience he will sing everything I want to know. I just think me being silent is making him comfortable and only then he may let it lose. Last time when i kissed him he almost lose it. Seems to me like he's afraid to get excited. He's afraid of what could happen if he allows it. I think there is some kind of psychological barrier in him. I thought that maybe I should stop my physical activity, but nope... After he noticed that I'm not paying him attention, he started to be cuddly.
    We'll meet sometime in February, after his exams.
     
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    The first time I told my girlfriend I loved her she freaked out, almost as if she was in disbelief. Granted that was happening fast at the time. If he freaks out after you tell him or kiss him just reassure him and give him time and space- he'll come around after a while if he feels the same.
     
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    Any update on your friend?
     
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    We will meet next week. We had a little chat on Valentine's Day (pure coincidence). We have planned how we will spend our time. Besides, nothing new, only me thinking about it trying to find logical arguments. Basic question, would you allow someone to kiss you and be intimate with you if you were not interested? I ask myself this question all the time.
     
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    No I would not . I need to be interested in the person. I am curious how old is he? You mentioned his mother accepts him being gay.
     
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    Even if you spontaneously allow it and regret it. The next time you meet this person you would tell him to forget what happened and that you're not interested. He's 24, so I trust he knows well what's going on. His mother saw us cuddling and reacted positively, that's all.
     
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    I know I'm really late to this conversation, but it seems like the best thing to do is go for it. It seems like you like him, and you like him (please correct me if this is incorrect,) and if those two statements are true, then you should go for it.

    To me, this seems pretty obvious, and besides, your friend sounds like more of a reserved type and you sound more experimentative. The only question is how.

    I would recommend mentioning something casually first, maybe something like "we look like lovers" with a laugh. If he accepts it (probably with a shy smile I would guess from your description,) then note it and maybe while you guys are cuddling try experimenting. Something more than just spooning? I don't know, just do whatever feels right.
     
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    Thank you for joining, it doesn't matter if you're late. I'm not sure what you mean by "go for it", because I already did some intimate stuff.
    He has very specific personality. If you were crying, he wouldn't hug you, he would bring a tissue. This is the best way I can describe it.
    Already did a lot, right now I'm waiting for him to do something. If you check one of my previous posts, I was already thinking about "we look like lovers". It's a good idea.
     
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    I am as confused as you are. His mother see you cuddle and has positive comments. My guess is he is out to his mother. He is 24 not a kid anymore he can make is own decisions.
    When you cuddle at night are you clothed? Does he touch you in a sexual way? If he does there is hope .
    Or just attempt to do more to him and see how he responds
    Good luck and let us know how it went.
     
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    I can tell you what happened last time, but it's hard to explain without showing it. In this example I wasn't even in mood to interact, just wanted to rest in bed. He join me and lay on me, but not completely, it's more like leaning. He play with my feet with his feet. We end up spooning and then I embrace him with both arms. One under head (a pillow), the other one on belly. He lay his hand on my hand and we rest like that. Sometimes I lower my hand and touch him there. I play with his shorts welt, giving him a hint. He turn his head to me like he wanted to say something, but he turn it back again. Other time I was sitting with my back to him and he was sitting behind me. I felt something. I was busy with my laptop, but I could swear he touched my butt. Could have been an accident, but I don't believe it, he was sitting still.

    In conclusion, if he didn't like what's happening he wouldn't initiate anything. To answer your question, I don't know if this is sexual way, probably not. It's more like flirting.
     
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    Have you had any more progress with your friend.
     
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    Thank you for asking. The day before our meeting we had strong exchange. I wanted to arrive at morning, but he wanted me at evening. His reason was illogical. I was upset and stop messaging. There was an hour of silence. After that I said that maybe he just doesn't want to spend time with me. He denied and couldn't believe I said that. Good, it was the answer I was expecting. This was risky, but I had to check him. Then I said that I just wanted to have more time with him, but it has to work both ways. He agreed with me. After that he backed out from his idea and told me to come at morning. After I arrived we talk a bit about the situation, he was very concerned, but I turn it into a joke and just hugged him. It was the best hug we ever had. We spent a lot of time walking. He showed me nice views of the city. For the first time we held our hands outside. There were no people around, but still. When someone approached I wanted to hide it, but he didn't care if someone see it. He even got displeased after I tried. We wandered to secluded places, outskirts and forests. We were looking for spots to spend time and drink. At the evening we were drunk and after I touch him he got hard, really hard! It looks like he finally stopped blocking himself! During all this time he was like... I don't know... more caring... He was giving me even more attention than usually. He wasn't doing flirty games anymore. It's like he started treating me more seriously. Maybe, because of the chat we had he realized something? Got scared that I might not come? In general, it was awesome time! The best we ever had so far.

    So yes, there is progress. I'm not sure what my next move will be if any (seems like being patient pays off), but I feel very confident after all of this.