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crushes on fictional men in childhood, but gay irl..? Confused?

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    Howdy. This is my second post following up after my first post addressing my sexuality. After reflecting for awhile and getting past the initial panic stage of, "oh shit, I'm probably not straight" I'm settling on the realization that I'm gay. There are just a few things that keep popping up as "evidence" to the contrary. Every time I conclude, "Yup I'm gay" these things get in the way and throw me back into confusion. I would like to see if there are other gay women who have had similar experiences; if none of these things are actually "strikes" against my gayness as I think, or if I maybe am something else like Bisexual. Would love to hear your thoughts!
    Without further ado, here is my list of "evidence that I'm not gay."
    * Throughout my childhood, I never had crushes on real boys but had plenty on fictional boys/men. Looking back, I cannot honestly tell whether I wanted to be like these characters and idolized them, or if I was attracted to them. I cannot remember having any sexual thoughts about these characters, with the exception of reading "snuff" fanfiction with hetero sex scenes. These characters, for the most part, were all very androgynous. I can't tell whether this was an expression of my attraction towards androgynous women and nb people, or if I am also attracted to androgynous men.
    * I mostly fantasize about women when masturbating, but my fantasies are always about vague, faceless people, I have never fantasized about a specific person that I know personally. (This is why I at one point thought I was ace)
    However, fantasies about men do occasionally pop-up. These fantasies are never about any particular man. I have for a long time had some bdsm-type fantasies in which I am dominated by a much larger, stronger person after a struggle (a man). These fantasies cause a lot of excitement but gross me out when I think about them realistically. (I'm turned off by the thought of penises.) I considered that this may be more about arousal from submissive situations, and less about gender. My mind may be going to men because they are typically larger and stronger? I think about women more in general, but when I try to imagine myself in a similar situation with a woman, it doesn't quite "work". My fantasies about women are normally the opposite, with myself being the dominant top.
    The same goes with my dreams. I rarely have sexual dreams, but when I do they are normally about women. However, I occasionally have dreams where I am "chased down" (sometimes literally) by a powerful man and am sexually subjected in some way or other. The "men" in these dreams are nothing like real men, they are normally supernatural creatures of some sort.
    At the end of the day, my mind keeps going back to the fact that I've only been attracted to "fake" men, men who are nothing like real people, while I'm attracted to real women almost every day. That seems pretty gay to me, but a part of me is concerned that maybe I just have picky tastes in men? Maybe I only like dudes who are "otherworldly", real weirdos. I don't think I've had a crush on anyone in real life, which makes this whole thing confusing. I also thought I had crushes on a couple of male celebrities and youtubers as well, it's just that this attraction doesn't seem to carry over into my real life.
    Thoughts??
     
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    When I was in denial my fantasies were just about body parts. The more I accepted myself the more I started to imagine being with a guy romantically, staring into his eyes, snuggling. I think it has to do with acceptance for most people.

    For many people as they accept themselves, any perceived attraction to the opposite sex tends to fade.
     
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    I have experienced this "fading attraction" in the sense that I no longer notice or am drawn to men when I am out and about. The confusion for me, comes from the fact that I occasionally have fantasies involving men or I feel attracted to fictional characters who are male. As a gay man, when you first started coming out to yourself, did you still occasionally have thoughts about being with a woman? Reading through my post, does it seem to you that I am a gay woman with some lingering comp-het, or does it seem like I may possibly be bi..?
    Thank you!
     
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    Concerning your fantasies about men, I think this part is key:
    Supernatural creatures sounds like a fantasy that is more symbolic.

    I still get thoughts of women now and then and if I see a really attractive woman I might think 'oh it would be nice to have sex with her', but it's just an abstract thought - I don't get sexually aroused or excited. Not to be graphic but when I think about an attractive guy, I immediately get aroused and my mind just goes right to umm, the thing that makes him a man :slight_smile: and I immediately think about wanting it in my mouth and how nice it would be to please him, or to receive anal intercourse. Sometimes i fantasize about being a top, which I guess you can do with a woman but when i have tried to (notice, I have to 'try'!) fantasy about women that way I just don't get aroused.

    I don't know if you fantasies are different like that - but once I realized it, I don't question my sexuality.
     
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    Actually, you have very clearly summed up my situation. It's almost like we are the same people- but opposite genders/sexuality. I think for me, part of the confusion also comes from the fact that I am attracted to androygenous women who are "weird" or "otherworldly". This probably explains why I always had a thing for male, but androygenous characters. Like you, I have to "try" to become aroused by the opposite gender, while I am instinctually aroused by women. (Clear example is having to "force" myself to imagine giving a guy head and not being able to become aroused versus naturally fantasizing about going down on a woman and becoming aroused easily.) Definitely makes things clear. Another thing that affirmed my sexuality for me, was taking those situations that I thought were "hot" with male characters, and then imagining those characters as women- %100 hotter.
    I appreciate your response. I have read your content on other forum threads and you often have very interesting things to say. Helped me get past my initial denial and come out- to myself and then my parents.
     
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    , even just reading the first part I got aroused :slight_smile: , the second part doesn't seem natural.

    I had a lot and still have a lot of denial that pops up - but its getting less - I used to latch on seeing a beautiful woman as 'proof' I was straight.

    It's a beautiful feeling to accept yourself, I realized how I was torturing myself denying my natural desires for human intimacy.
     
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    I never realized how much I was unconsciously trying and how draining it was...I always used it as the 'excuse' that I wasn't gay. I see women who are pretty so I am not gay.

    As I accepted myself this began to fade, and one day when I was walking out of my apartment a thought shot into my head "Such a relief I don't have to try look at women anymore" :slight_smile:

    Now I can truly appreciate a woman's beauty and not have it try to mask my sexuality.


    Good luck! I can't tell you how wonderful it feels to accept myself, to no longer deny my desire to be with a man. I have literally never felt so happy in my life. I had some drunk hookups with guys when I was younger, but I chickened out, I am looking forward to my to being able to fully express my love without shame or denial.
     
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    I am starting to feel like that now. Been fighting with myself for years now. When I am out and about, I look at women but I do not feel turned on. But then when I look at naked men or gay porn I am almost instantly turned on. But as of now in real life I do not really look at guys. But that might be because I have not fully accepted myself. When someone tells me I am probably gay I get a rush and it kind of feels good. My uncle is gay so I might tell him that I might be too. And when I also masturbate to guys my orgasms are amazing and forcefully shootout. But when it comes women its a weak orgasm
     
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    the more I accepted myself the less I started to worry about this. A lot of gay men are into women's fashion.I started to realize I was often more interested in what they were wearing. I love feminine things (but I don't have any desire to be a woman or dress up) maybe it just represents the feminine side of us.

    Many women put a lot more attention into how they dress and try to make a splash, so that could be part of it. I also realized I am not attracted to most guys - but once I accepted myself I started to notice my 'type' though it's not common when I see i do get very turned on!

    That's a pretty good indicator.
     
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    All of what you say definitely makes sense. I am almost 32 I have never had the strongest urges to find a girlfriend. But a couple months ago, something inside me made me think how itwould be to have a boyfriend. Deep down it felt wonderful. When I think about being with women Im just feel it probably would not make sense or go anywhere. I had a couple chances a year ago to be with a woman. She really liked me but, deep down I sabotaged it on purpose so I would not have to meet up.
     
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    I could have written that!
    I always always 'eh' about dating women, it really felt like 'work' (so did sex, I often had to think about men".
    And one of my last denial acts was dating a woman that really liked me, I felt like I was being untrue to her and myself....on the other hand thinking about a boyfriend makes me giddy!
     
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    Haha for sure! I honestly feel like my bargaining phase will not last too awful long at this point. I feel like within the next couple years I will have a boyfriend and I can finally live my life as a gay man as I always should have. My bi friend wants to go to a bathhouse and wants me to go as well. But I think i would rather we go to a gay bar first!
     
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    Nice to see this engaging conversation come from my personal post. I empathize a lot- it's very comforting to see that my confusion and denial is a shared experience amongst gay folk. Now, It's difficult to believe I ever assumed I was straight. I can barely relate to the headspace I was in when I wrote this post, even though it was only a month ago! It's like I held my breath my whole life without knowing.
    it's also really interesting to hear from you two that you felt a similar pressure to be attracted to the opposite sex, and now that you've realized your gay, you can appreciate the beauty of a woman without feeling anxiety about your lack of arousal. I feel the same way- but about men. Similarly to how you both recognize what you assumed was attraction for a woman was actually aesthetic appreciation, I have also realized I connect with and admire masculine strength and confidence. I admire masculine physiques and fashion, because I want to see a similar energy in myself (even though I'm very feminine looking) similarly to how you both, as gay men, admire femininity.
    Interesting to see the similar experiences in opposite genders/sexuality.
    @fdfsdf I hope the both of us are soon openly and proudly living as gay, with same-sex partners!
     
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    Same. Had multiple opportunities for romantic connection with men, and always felt like it wasn't "right", it never made me excited, even when I thought I liked the guy.
     
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    It's funny you say that, it's amazing for me to re-read my early posts they were really just slowly admitting things to myself -but the denial was there - I also remember how tense,worried and scared I was about being gay. I was really hoping someone would just tell me I was gay so I didn't have to make the decision myself.
     
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    exactly the same. I can't believe I felt so alone at the time.
     
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    Yeah honestly I think a time or two I actually had crushes on girls but sexually, I just did not feel much. Me and my friend when we were both 15 actually used to mess around and I really liked it. That is probably when I should have realized I was most likely gay. I was always so excited when he came over in hopes we would fool around again. And then all these years of still never trying anything with a woman. The signs have been here for so long. And I also hope we will soon both be happy with partners :slight_smile:

    Both my uncle and cousin are gay , so maybe soon I will tell one or both of them so they can help me.
     
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    Hopefully you'll post when you do find your guy, I'm invested in your story now. :slight_smile: I'll share as well, when I find a girlfriend (ugh, I feel so happy just typing that.)
     
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    For sure! And I know how that feels! No longer denying things and just letting it happen does feel great. I hate saying it but, I feel so much time wasted. But I guess its never too late.
     
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    Haha I just saw this post. I think for me I fantasize about being a bottom. When I did things with my friend I enjoyed being bottom. I have never topped but I am sure if I get into a relationship I would love to be a verse! Now that I think back on it, everytime I watched straight porn, I'd actually be looking at only the guys equipment. And I enjoyed videos more if there were two guys instead of one!

    My god, I can NOT believe how many signs I really neglected to see!
     
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