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Unsure of who I am sexually

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  1. General648

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    I've always thought of myself as straight until last summer. I had seen women as attractive and men as unattractive and that was it. I've basically been a massive coomer since the 5th grade basically masterbating a daily basis since then. I later started getting into trans pornography and the futanari hentai back in like 7th grade and by highschool I watched that stuff exclusively, but I basically dismissed thoughts that I might not be straight because they're women who happen to have dicks or in other cases were men who basically looked like women. I realized that something else was going on when I got my first girlfriend. I thought she was attractive, but I couldn't find her very sexually appealing and couldn't end up even going all the way. I then realized that I wasn't attracted to pussy, and I just was really attracted to dicks.
    I then thought I might be gay but guys are just unappealing to me unless they basically look like a girl. I have only one friend who I've talked to about this and he basically told me that I have a fetish for trans women which just doesn't sit well within me. I'm just really conflicted about this since it feels like I just sound like some sort of chaser. I also have no idea how to both label myself or how to describe my sexuality. I just wish I could either find guys attractive or get turned on by pussy instead of finding a group of people attractive for their appearance and genitalia. Sorry if this comes off as creepy or just stupid.
     
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    Hi, and welcome to EC.

    First, I don't think you have a fetish for trans women.

    To understand arousal and attraction, you have to recognize that there are multiple components to it. The majority of it is hardwired and unconscious, but there's also another layer, which is the inherent bias that pretty much everyone has, at least to some extent, that we get from organized religion, right wing conservatives, much of media, and the like, that being gay is a bad thing. Even if our friends and family are supportive, we still at some level hear this message. And that impacts, initially, our perception. Nobody wants to volunteer to be in a class of people that experience discrimination and rejection.

    OK, now put that aside for a second.

    The next piece of this is how arousal works with masturbation, especially with pornography. This is more true for men than for women; men's patterns of arousal tend to be driven by visual stimuli, while women's patterns tend to be more emotionally or touch-centered. So if you have been regularly watching pornography for 5 or 6 years, especially at an early age while your brain is still very much forming (which it will continue to do until you're about 25), you've basically conditioned your brain to respond to very strong stimuli: pornography is in a way like a pure form of a drug: specifically engineered to have a very specific effect (to create arousal and encourage orgasm and ejaculation.) The problem is, just as with any powerful drug with abuse potential, over time your body habituates to it: it gets used to the strong stimulation, and so the stimuli has less effect... which means you need more extreme or edgy pornography to create the same sense of excitement.

    Now the last piece of this: because of the habituation and desensitization that porn causes, it is not at all a reliable indicator of sexual attraction, and this is especially true of people in their early-to-mid teens, when hormones are at very high levels and fluctuating wildly. Because your brain is still forming neural pathways, you can effectively desensitize the pathways associated with arousal. It doesn't change what you are attracted to at your core, but it can change what arouses you in the short term, if that makes sense.

    So... let's put all of these pieces together. The fact that you had no attraction at all to vaginas is likely a very reliable indicator that... you don't like vaginas. This, more than anything else, would point to the idea that you are likely closer to gay than straight.

    Now... very often, when people first are confronted with the idea that they might be gay, even if consciously they're like "Oh, I'd be cool with that, not a problem", there's still an unconscious part going "oh fuck. Shit. I don't want all the baggage that comes with being gay." And mind you... the unconscious part is unconscious, meaning, it's outside of your conscious capacity to understand or have awareness of it, but the effect is felt nonetheless. The way this manifests, and what we very commonly see at EC, is people who initially say "Well, I like penises, but I don't like guys, I just like penises." And typically what's going on there is the very core, primal sexual drives, which are the deepest and most hardwired, are driving the attraction to penises, but the still-unconscious-but-less-unconscious part of self is going "Yuk. Guys. That's a no-go."

    At this point, we enter into the stages that everyone goes through when they process a loss (in this case, the loss of your identity as straight.) The stages are denial-anger-bargaining-depression-acceptance, and it can be anywhere from minutes to months or longer to go through them. It is also not necessarily sequential; one can move back and forth, though eventually, when you reach depression and acceptance, that is generally the end of the process. So what is likely here (though I'm not saying it's certain) is that your attraction to penises is real, and your attraction to guys is probably also real, but somewhere between conscious and unconscious, there's a part of you that is rejecting that, and so you're like "Well, I can't actually be gay, because I don't like guys." This is the denial phase, and as that starts to change, it becomes "well, OK, I like dicks, but not the guys attached to them, so I could still be straight", which is the bargaining phase.

    One thing I can suggest off the bat (which you probably won't like) is to give up porn entirely for a month. Instead, think about fantasies you create in your own mind. Imagine guys (or girls) you could find attractive and use that as your fantasy material. Masturbating will suck (no pun intended) for about the first 10 days because you're habituated to, essentially, a very pure drug. But if you go off of this drug (the porn), after about 10 days or so, your neurochemistry will start to reset itself and you'll find that the fantasies not only work, but can drive you just about as intensely as the porn did. Except that... now you are in control, and you won't habituate to the fantasies in your head.

    A byproduct of this is that as you are working off of fantasies in your head, you can experiment, thinking about guys in one session and girls the next. And maybe different kinds of guys (masculine, more feminine, etc) and different types of girls. For the purposes of figuring yourself out, I might try focusing initially on gender binaries rather than trans folks in your fantasies, and then expand out from there. A very large percentage of the time, once you do that for a week or two, you'll figure out pretty quickly that one or the other (guys or girls) create much stronger arousal for you. And that's a pretty reliable indicator of where your orientation lies. (I suspect that your real-life experience probably already gives us a good idea, but this should make it easier.)

    So I hope that's helpful. If you're so inclined, give it a try, feel free to ask questions, seek clarification, or discuss anything else related, and let us know what happens.
     
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    Thank you for the advice. I really appreciate that you actually reached out to help me. I'll try the idea of switching from porn to using my imagination. I really more see how I've been cycling around those stages of acceptance. I used to tell myself that I can't be gay if I don't like guys, or that I like dicks but not guys. I also get extremely depressed about this and a few other things. I do think that a pat of why I may have an unconscious bias against an attraction to men might be because my parents told me that they'd still love me if I were gay but told me that they don't want me to be gay. They'd always say it so harshly even when I was young and my entire immediate family (my extended family is better about this) constantly make fun of gay people and use gay as an insult. Which has always confused me since my Dad is a socialist all but in name and my mom is pretty progressive but fairly apolitical. I just had the idea that it's okay for other people to be gay but not me I suppose. I'll try to work on these implicit biases that I've built up and I'll see how that affects who I'm attracted to so I can finally know for certain who I am. Thank you again for taking the time to respond to my post. It was nice to not feel like the person I'm seeking advice from isn't weirded out by my identity crisis.
     
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    Transexual porn is a prove for that that you are addicted to porn.Believe me the transexual porn industry said that mostly hetrosexual people watch trans porn.Stop watching porn and you will allright.If you dont want sex with a male member than you arent gay.Do you have any gay fantasies and do you like them than you might be gay.Sexual orientation cant change.I struggle with my sexuality also.But i know who iam.
     
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    I've always been attracted to women, even before going through puberty. However, at some point, I started to fantasize being with men (I'd say with females was about 20%, and men 80%). Even today (I'm now 41), I still fantasize being with men, even though I still prefer the figure of a woman over that of a man. The fantasies weren't oriented on men's bodies, but on me being the woman while I was with the man (I also consider myself a Transgender Female, Genderqueer, or Non-Binary).

    The first time I went through with a bisexual experience, was when I was 24. I was at a bar by myself, and a guy started talking to me, asking what I was drinking, etc. He was an attractive male, but I wasn't attracted to him... but I liked the way he smelled. The more I talked with him, I noticed him touching me, not sexually, just a hand on my shoulder, or his hand brushing my thigh, or when it got crowded, his hand on my lower back. By then, I knew I was being hit on, and I just assessed how I felt. I felt good! I felt excited, and turned on, and so when I felt his hand on my lower back, I took a step forward so that I pressed my body next to his, and how warm he was. That's when I knew I was sure of what I was, sexually. And of course, what happened after, I was 100% sure I was bisexual.

    It'll take time and experiences to figure these things out, and don't base things just on visual appeal. The smell of him, how comfortable he made me, and how I felt, were all factors, not just how he looked.
     
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    Yeah it's completely undeniable that I've become addicted to porn at this point. I'm not entirely closed off to the idea of having sex with another man, but I just can't really get over how men's faces usually look. Theoretically if men didn't have heads (ignoring how strange that would be), I really wouldn't have an issue with having sex. I just get really hung up on how "manly" a face looks for some reason. Which is why I think I gravitate towards the trans and femboy porn so heavily because their bodies and faces look more feminine but they still dicks. I'm just unsure whether that's because I'm not attracted to men or I just have some engrained biases or something. I do have gay fantasies and I do like them. For some reason, I haven't been able to have this translate into real life. Even now I look at women and feel attraction, but I just don't like pussy. Granted, I've met very few actually in in the lgbtq+ community, so maybe I just haven't met the right people yet. Maybe I just need to just try getting with a guy and see if there is a change in my perception. If so, I'm just gay but still cool with trans women. I just have no clue what I'd be should I continue to not really be into guys.
     
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    I hadn't actually really thought about anything other than visual appeal. Your experience is quite interesting to me since I can relate to how you describe your attraction. I could completely see myself in a similar situation. I won't be able to really test the waters with these other factors for a little while since I literally know only three people in my entire school who I know are bi and two of them are close friends who both told me that they weren't remotely attracted to me the other is one of my friends exes. I'll need to experience this for myself to be certain of course, but I think I'll have to keep that not just visual appeal dictates attraction.
     
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    Listen me its your life .If you want sexual contact with a man just do it.Nobody has the right to critizise you is your life.I want to say you if you like t-porn you cant be gay because gay people arent attracted to a female body with boobs.Its a sign of porn addiction.look at the porn addiction websites.Many people told that they are began with soft porn and stopped in tranny porn.Chip said gave a right statement:Its like a drug addiction you want everytime a better stuff.You know who you are
     
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    No, it isn't.

    Actual addiction to porn, as it would be described in the DSM, is rare. What General648 is experiencing is habituation to a strong stimuli, which is different.

    This may well be true, but porn (for the reasons I stated above) is a completely unreliable indicator of sexual attraction/arousal. So the kind of porn you watch is not reliably predictive in real life of who you're attracted to. Now... this isn't to say that gay men don't watch gay porn and straight men don't watch straight porn. What it is saying is for those who are unsure, and especially for those who watch a lot of porn, it is a completely unreliable indicator.

    Oversimplification. But it is a good idea to give up porn.

    Also a gross oversimplification that completely ignores the complexity of denial and the stages of loss (which it seems clear that General648 is going through)
     
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    I'm not too sure that I agree with this at least for me. I even watch gay porn and gay fantasies get off to these just fine, but I just can't really have it translate into the real world which is why I'm not sure as to whether or not I'm attracted to men. I'm not sure I could call myself gay if I'm attracted to trans women since trans women are women. I actually have no idea what to call myself regardless of whether or not I find that I'm attracted to men. I suppose that I should just call myself queer, but I really don't feel an attachment to the label.
     
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    Yeah but i have a question to you can someone he is gay suppress his erection?I tryed to get an boner from a gay fantasy my penis moved 5mm.I tryed it out more than 20 times and i cant mastrubate on gay fantasy my dick is not to hard for that and i feel nothing.
     
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    If you're trying that hard, what it sounds to me is something more along the obsessive thoughts/compulsive behavior spectrum. So if you're trying so hard and getting no response, it's probably safe to say you have no attraction to men.
     
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    You're the only one that can know for sure. If I were to hazard a guess, based on what you've described, I'd say it is likely you have genuine attraction to men, and little attraction to women (at least to AFAB women) which puts you closer to the gay spectrum. The significant attraction to trans women, which you were concerned about fetish-like attraction, could be part of the conscious/disconscious disconnect of not wanting to acknowledge and embrace same-sex attraction. Then, too, it can also be simply an attraction to people regardless of what parts they happen to have. But in this case we'd expect you'd have attraction to trans men as well, and you don't seem to have that.

    As someone once said, labels are for clothes. I wouldn't stress about the label, just work on finding out where you fit and who you love. :slight_smile:
     
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    It might take some time to be comfortable with your attraction to other males, I was the same way but even before I knew or understood what I was feeling, seeing certain guys would get me a bit aroused.

    but once you admit to yourself your attraction to males it’ll be a lot easier.
     
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    I see how admitting attraction would really help since I really have been suppressing my attraction to men. I've been doing a lot reflection on when I was younger and honestly, I used to have a bit of an interest of men. I think the reason I hadn't thought much of it is because I had never really gotten any crushes on anybody specific, but I used to do things a few things that should've been a sign. I used to think that I was so straight that I did gay things or whatever since that was weirdly a bit of a trend at my school my freshman year. Which is extra weird since the school is pretty homophobic but whatever. I used to just cuddle and hug my guy friends all the time and it was oddly nice but it was also a little weird looking back at it. I guess I must really have been in denial since I find it strange to think I might actually be gay. It makes sense knowing who I am since I have many different occasions where I was being "sus" or whatever, and I've even had close friends think I was gay. Just coming to terms with it is a little heavier than I thought it'd be. Of course it's not certain that I'm gay but there isn't much else I could be. The straightest I could be is romantically interested in women but not sexually. I seriously doubt that though because I can't even imagine myself with another woman after my first girlfriend since it was such a terrible experience. Granted, I might get over that and try again. I think I'll have to dedicate quite a bit of time to truly accept the idea that I might actually be gay since I'll want to be absolutely certain whether or not I am when I inevitably have to come out to my regrettably homophobic parents.

    I really appreciate all the advice all of you have given since your advice really helped me see that not only was I really in denial about my sexuality you also helped me realize that this stuff isn't all visual which is something that completely escaped my mind. I'll try to cut down on the porn but that's going to be extremely difficult. I actually have no idea how I'm going to do that since it's completely instinctual at this point, but I'll have to at least need to figure out how to reduce how much I watch since this is pretty unhealthy. Also thank you for making me feel a little more "normal" about this since I basically thought that I was just being a weirdo who had fetishized trans women to a ridiculous extent. Thank you again for the help :slight_smile:
     
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    What would happen if you simply didn't use porn at all? When you feel like masturbating, instead of picking up your phone or tablet or laptop or whatever, just think about a fantasy... someone you like or are attracted to or find hot, and simply start masturbating to that. It isn't going to provide the same level of stimulus initially, and it will take some practice, but if you simply do that for a couple weeks, your brain will reset and it will become pretty normal.
     
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    Without porn or at least pictures, I immediately just lose interest and go flaccid. I've tried getting off of porn and I end up going not doing anything for three days at most then just going back to porn or I try giving it a go and like 2 minutes in I'm going soft. It's been like this for years now. I need see something erotic, mental pictures can only really turn me on enough to watch porn.
     
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    It might take 2 weeks of trying, but it will eventually reset. The issue is that you have conditioned yourself to need porn. But your brain is remarkably adaptive, and given the opportunity, it will reset itself. But not if you keep giving it the stimulus it is used to.
     
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    Honestly, it might be easier to drop masterbation as whole then to just get off of porn. This sounds bad, but I literally can't stop myself if I start. I'm probably going to have to take extra measures to stop myself since I can't stop otherwise.
     
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    That problem is i find that boring nothing else i get only erections from a girl and its fantastic