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Can antidepressants help me enjoy life while I'm still not capable of accepting I'm gay?

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  1. John C89

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    So, here I'm guys....it has been a while since I posted here on EC...things have happened.
    I had a relationship with a wonderful girl for the last 2 years and hald. She ended it recently due to not feeling she loved me anymore....nothing related to me being gay as far as I'm concerned. I was suffering, for the most part because she was an amazing girlfriend, a very good companionship, caring, nurturing, smart, funny.... you got it. She was also the person keeping my internal conflict with my sexual orientation in check. Bc of her I was somehow capable to bury my conflict partially, capable of functioning....and I'm really grateful for everything I had with her.... I miss her a lot.
    But now that I'm single again, it feels like everything came back and it hit me really hard. Im feeling lonely again, hopeless, depressed, having a hard time sometimes to even get out of bed... one of the reason is that I still feel I cannot accept I'm gay even though Im 99% sure I'm....but I can't face it or embrace it properly...I'm doing therapy, but still looking for a better therapist who maybe understands better LGBT issues and make some affirmative work with me..
    In the meantime, I was wondering.....can medication help me to feel some pleasure with life and make me capable of doing things, even though I feel hopeless, depressed, not being able to embrace I'm gay, with identity issues (my straight self x my gay self)?
    Or will I only be capable of enjoying stuff again only after I fully accept myself? :frowning2: :frowning2:
    I want to know it btter...any advices are really welcome :frowning2:
     
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    So antidepression medication isn't a cure-all. Its principal value is correcting the imbalance of neurotransmitters associated with mood. It is sometimes helpful in managing really severe depression that's a byproduct of acute experiences (such as relationship loss). What you are describing -- hopelessness, depression ,difficulty getting out of bed -- is a classic symptom of episodic major depression.

    But a lot depends on how long the current circumstance has been going on, and whether you've otherwise been affected by depression. If you have been consistently pretty even-tempered and cheerful, then the current circumstances could be a normal byproduct of losing that relationship... which would cause anyone to feel depressed. But sometimes events like this bring to our attention that there's been a long-term low-level depression, or even a long-term episodic major depression.

    Really, the choice to go on medication is is something to discuss with a psychiatrist, as each individual's experience is different, but it does sound, from what you describe, like your situation is in need of some level of treatment, whether medication or major DBT/CBT interventions.

    Now... in your situation, if you do go on medication, it will liekly help, but it isn't a magic bullet. Typically, it takes several weeks and sometimes longer to see a noticeable improvement. In the meantime, behavior has been clearly shown to influence depression. Getting out of bed, even when it's hard, and walking around the block... or maybe just to the edge of the street from your home, if that's all you can manage... daily will have a huge impact. As will exercise. As will eating a good diet, especially with fresh fruits and vegetables. So that's something you could start right away that is clearly shown in research to have a dramatic effect.

    Please keep us in the loop about this. Half of the battle with depression is willingness to talk about it.
     
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    I have found Zoloft very helpful when I am struggling with so much depression and anxiety that is affecting my daily functioning. I think most of the SSRI type of antidepressants have side effects like lower libido, some insomnia, or weight gain, but generally I have not found the side effects to be that bad and they have gone away when I stop taking the drug. Based on my personal experience I'm not sure most doctors know about how to most comfortably taper off of them when you feel you are ready to stop taking them. I have found that it works best to taper off very slowly too avoid the side effects of going off them such as vertigo and "brain zaps." Good luck!
     
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    John,

    I have so been there, man! I stayed with a really mean person for many years rather than admit to myself what I had known for a long time -- that I am gay. Now, I am so happy to be single (why aren't you?). I think being single is awesome; I can do what I want and eat what I want; I'm making some new friends and I have a different church that I'm going to, so I'm getting to know other members of the congregation and starting to get involved in some church functions (they have support groups, too!). Also, my new church is welcoming to LGBTQ people and it's spoken of freely there and embraced.

    Maybe your life was too centered around your GF? That's the way my life was with my wife; everything was about her, the friends, the church, even family functions. When I left I was lonely at first and it took a little time to find my way, but it can be done. It's normal to feel the oss, but you will be okay again, with time. But, its not just time, you need to take proactive steps to get involved with others. I helped an older neighbor paint the railing on her porch steps today, and in the process got some really great counsel (she knows I'm gay) and advice; then we sat with her husband and brother and had some beers afterward (they teased us about how much we'd painted ourselves in the process of doing the porch!). It was just wonderful!

    You can be yourself and be accepted and loved the way you are, without pretending to be straight. And, you will not ever be completely okay emotionally until you are able to live an authentic life and be real with yourself and everyone else. I was a member of a very strict religion and tried to pray the gay away for 30 years -- finally, I decided "that's long enough; the experiment didn't f-ing work!"

    Good luck, John!

    -RJ
     
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    They're worth trying if you've gotten to the point where you feel they're necessary. As has been mentioned, antidepressants aren't a cure-all. They take time and sometimes certain antidepressants won't work on you. However, they can often change life radically for the better.

    The stressors and burden of being closeted and repressing your sexuality will have an emotional impact. It is possible they have fuelled your feelings of depression. It is also possible that unmedicated depression is making it harder for you to deal with your sexuality and identity issues. Antidepressants often help us manage the issues that trigger mental illness in the first place.

    Antidepressants are a powerful tool that can help you make life decisions that improve your mood and your quality of life. You will likely still feel stressed, anxious and down on antidepressants when there are external factors causing those feelings. But if they work, they will hopefully make those feelings less overwhelming over time. That might be able to help you come out, deal with your sexuality and seek further help.
     
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    Hello Chip, thanks for your response. Well, it's true I was previously depressed on some level. I mean, I was always feeling conflicted and anxious on the inside due to the fact I knew I was gay, but at the same time I tried to separate myself from my desires, as if they were something alien to me....I guess this internal approach fostered some bad stuff.....but before I met my girlfriend I was already terribly depressed by not knowing how to deal with my sexuality.
    I always felt she saved me....when I was with her, it was as if I could function socially. I was able to enjoy some stuff, to finish college, to have happy moment with her family and friends..... I was living. Despite not being happy bc I knew I was gay, despite the conflict and anxiety, for the most she helped me to function....
    It seems now that it's over I lost what she gave me in many ways... it's not only about sadness, it's that I feel empty, feel like my life is over somehow....I don't know how to deal with my sexuality issue....the past 3 years and half of my life were always about delaying to face my sexuality conflict, because I knew facing it upfront would tear me apart....
    I'm trying to believe medication can help me to have energy to go to gym, to loss weight, to work and have one or two hobbies....I'm still trying to live my straight persona, because I still feel I don't know how can I deal with it.. :'(
    I have this feeling my life is over all the time. It's like since I had no clue in the past that I could be gay, I centered everything in a traditional lifestyle, who I am, my belief, personal and moral values, my life purpose, the future, the plans...my identity as a human per se. Now I lost everything, but I'm still clinging to my straight life, to my straight persona. I have dark beliefs about gay life, and some posts here, some reports there, they aren't helping me on having a better point of view about how a gay man's life is in this world..so it has been really hard for me to even scratch the surface :frowning2: :frowning2:
    But then I'm still trying....to find a good therapist, to find a psychiatrist that can help me to function....but all I want to know is: can the medication, at least, help me to be able to exercise and do some normal stuff? To loss weight by making me capable of doing a diet? At least that's what I'm looking for now. Are my expectation too unreal Chip?
     
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    Justaguysinf, thanks for your response! May I ask you, how long did it took for you to notice positive effects from Zoloft?
     
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    Hey RJH, thank you for your answer! I really aprreciate your insight. So, let me tell a little more about what's going on... I feel bad not especifically by being single per se, but by the fact I really loved my ex-girlfriend... probably not in a 100% romantic sexual way since I'm very likely gay, but because of all the good things we had together, the partnership, the good things we shared in common, the loving way she took care of me when I was sad or in trouble, the way she envisioned everything when we were together, her amazing family, my in-laws were fantastic, we were always having good moments. So I lost all of it....and now I'm all alone. I do have good friends who care about me....but somehow they don't fullfill me the way my ex-GF did, and I'm not sure if any friendship would....
    Also, the thing is that...I'm not sure how can I accept myself...like I told Chip on the previous post here, I have a very negative standpoint on how the life of a gay man is. I see so many hardships, so many sad people...lots of shallowness. Loads of things. The beliefs I have about how life can be unbearable are really strong, and I don't even feel comfortable to say I'm gay outloud... it's indeed hard as fuck to me, and I feel I cannot move or navigate into the LGBT culture, because it's like killing my straight self, my life I envisioned, all of that...and I feel this can be a no-return point if I do. So I suffer. God knows how hard it has been for me....
    And to complete all the shit, the president of my country is an asshole, bigoted, Nazi-like person, so I even feel for my safety if I try to be free somehow. You see, I'm from Brazil, and you all probably have already heard about Bolsonaro. So yeah....I don't know how to start accepting myself.
    What I'm trying and wanting to do is to at least function in a way....this is why I created this post, desperated for help, and trying to see if there's a way to function while I'm trying to come to terms and find a good therapist that can really help me change my standpoint :'( :'(
     
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    Thanks for your response Aussie792. I have been in depression for quite a while I feel. Like, probably for longer than a decade. But everything worsened when I realized I could be gay a few years ago. Since then I've been suffering like hell, crying many times, feeling worthless, not being able to really really enjoy life. So, it's a very deep and complex issue it seems. I feel my negative sntandppint about how my life will turn out to be if I accept I'm gay turns everything worse and harder. I know many gay people that are either friends of friends or acquaintances, and from what I heard of them or saw, I don't feel things will be positive or that I can handle the burdens and the hardships a LGBT life will provide me.... I feel really hopeless and negative about the future now. I'm trying to find a therapist that can help me maybe change it, maybe to show and prove me wrong, with good facts, stories and examples. I have one therapist now, but she doesn't seem to know how to make this sort of approach, even though she is supporting and really trying to help me. I don't know how to cope, but I'm trying to make an apoointment with a psychiatrist, amd trying to understand if at least I can function with medication, if I can lose weight, do some gym, and go back to the state I was when I was with my girlfriend, which, despite the fact I suffered due to my internal conflict, at least I was functioning in life
    I'm really hoping, and I'll wait for more responses from you and people that kindly answered here, as well as anyone else here on EC that can share experiences or thoughts. I really need help on this issue :'(
     
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    There is very little I can add to @Chip and @Aussie792's excellent responses. I spent several years on medication for severe clinical depression on two separate occasions and how I would describe it is that it didn't solve any problems for me but that it gave me just enough of a toe-hold on life to be able to start working towards fixing my own problems.
     
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    Hi John,

    There are many same-sex couples in the U.S. that live perfectly normal lives in every other way. I thought (perhaps naively) that this was also true in other developed nations. I'm 54 now, but I see myself, maybe in a few years, with a husband/partner of my choosing that I intend to spend my golden years loving, for as long as we have left. I'm not ready to give up; I'm going to keep trying!

    I loved my wife at first, too, John. But, a friend explained it to me in this way: without the emotional intimacy to parallel your romantic encounters, you will always feel unfulfilled; you can love her, yes, but you'll never be *in love* with her. I love my brother, I loved my dog (when I had one). The way look at your partner is supposed to be different (and now I know it should be wantingly!).

    I think your ideas about getting through this tough period are reasonable. I'm not still not "out" yet either, and I'm not comfortable even saying it yet, but this is how I get through dealing with my own gayness. Just like I talked about the porch, above, I do kind acts for others without any expectation of repayment. And, as I do, I think to myself, "a gay man did that". This sort-of counteracts the knee jerk reaction in my brain about stereotypical, flamboyant gay guys who are always grabbing other guys asses and talking with a lisp. Gay guys can be good, (almost) normal guys, and that's I'm going to be.

    -RJ
     
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    I really like this idea. A way of affirming yourself and how you feel. I'm going to try it myself - thanks @RJH
     
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    About 2 to 3 weeks, if I remember correctly.
     
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    I think there are a few things I'd like to say to this.

    1) It seems you are unhappy with your therapist's approach. It might be worth speaking to her to ask if she is capable of providing the sorts of sexuality counselling.

    2) If seeing a psychiatrist is an issue, go to a GP with a (brief) summary of your issues. I'm not sure about in England but Australian GPs can prescribe antidepressants and are a very useful tool in getting referred to the appropriate mental health provider, be it a psychiatrist or a therapist specialising in sexuality and attendant mental illness.

    3) Living life as an LGBT person is not in itself hard. Being out is likely to be much more emotionally and psychologically liberating than any security afforded by remaining in the closet. In my opinion, it's imperative you focus on coming out and coming to terms with your sexual identity.

    4) If you'd like good stories, or advice with mental health and being happy as a gay (or otherwise LGBT) person, this is a great place to start. Note that many people come here in times of crisis - that is the nature of a support forum. Don't let that taint your view of what it means to be openly gay, should you come out. There are plenty of people here on Empty Closets who live full, enriching lives, and virtually all are LGBT. I consider myself one of them. Many of us have or have had mental illnesses.

    If you'd like to reach out, I'm always happy to talk.
     
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    I take an antidepressant, a SSRI. I have for a long time. They are aimed at depression. They are not aimed at a specific issue in your life that is causing you angst. In most situations, they take you upward from the baseline you were at before. They did for me. I got very lucky and did not have side effects (no weight gain, no increase or decrease in sexual performance and libido, etc.) from the medication chosen for me. I have talked to people who had to try different SSRIs to get to the right one to avoid some side effects they were experiening.

    I plan to remain on the one I'm on. My mood is quite a bit better than before I started taking this medication. I have gone off it and have stumbled. Know that a traumatic experience while taking them can be just too powerful and might cancel the effect of the antidepressant. I've experienced this.
     
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    Hi John
    In your case I feel antidepressants may help you short term. I think you are most likely still grieving the loss of your relationship plus struggling to accept your sexuality. If antidepressants help lift your mood you may see life differently. I believe diet and exercise can be really important too. I started running and lifting weights. Both these activities help me when I have low days. I left my wife and children so know how hard life can be. Therapy like you are having is also a great step forward. Even little things like going for a walk around the park when you feel able can help lift mood. But I really appreciate how difficult it can be to take these first steps. Meeting up with a friend can help improve mood too. I'm nearly 44 and didn't accept my gay sexuality till I was 42. Joining a local LGBTQ group might also help you accept your sexuality. Our sexuality is only one part of us as humans. Take care
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    I think antidepressants are a way to manage symptoms (depression), but not address root causes (discomfort with your sexual orientation). In my experience, they help put a "floor" under my depression, so I didn't get quite as miserable and was able to go on with my life.

    But I wouldn't say they made me "happy." And they have no effect on the underlying identity issues.

    Think of it as taking pain medication when you have a broken arm. It helps relieve the pain temporarily, but the bone must heal on its own time.