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What am I?

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Crepy, Jan 29, 2019.

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What do you think I am?

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  2. Bi

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  4. A guy with an anxiety disorder

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  1. Crepy

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    Okay. I've been having this for years now. I had a possible attracion to a guy years ago and since then I have gone through a continous loop that I can'seem to come out of that goes as followed:

    Step 1:
    Try to figure out if I am indeed attracted to guys

    Step 2:
    Lose sleep (and I have even barfed once) from the stress this causes me.

    Step 3:
    Decide this is causing me to much stress I need to leave this behind me.

    Step 4:
    After a small no longer then a month return to step 1.

    So yea considering going through this loop I feel like I'm going to have to need to go through figuring this out and actually sticking to it instead of fleeing immediatley when it gets a little though on me and I'm hoping you all can help me with that. Because I don't care if I'm Sthraight or Bi or Gay(Well maybe I do a little subconciously). However I want to just be able to finally figure this out and move on . I'm tired of not knwoing and feeling anxious about it. I'm tired of constantly having to struggle with myself. I'm tired of feeling so anxious that at the end of the day my body feels very stiff and like it was beaten up badly. So here are the points why I am doubting and I would aprecciate your oppinion very much on this:

    1. My sexual fantasies ussualy involves women as the main characters. However it is also almost always another guy who has the sex with those women in my fantasies

    2. I found sex with a woman this one time to be absolutley amazing. However I also had another time where I couldn't stop wondering if this was what I really wanted and if this would've been better if it had been with a man.

    3. I've had sex with a man once. It felt okay but also like I'm not sure how I was supposed to feel about it.

    3. When I flirt with a woman I feel super happy and confident afterwards. I've never really flirted with a guy yet.

    4. I ussualy check out woman when out in the world. Though I've also had had times where I checked a guy out
    and did feel like I was attracted to them.

    5. I've only had relationship dreams about being with a women. But I've only had a sex dream about having sex with a guy

    6. When trying to figure it out by thinking who I can see myself being in a relationship with etc. I feel like the guy one wins out. However I also feel like I can't trust those results as I feel super anxious while doing and feel like the stress that causes my be skewing my answers. And also that my anxiety might be twisitng the an swers in the favorable answer to keep the anxiety going.

    7. I have no problem getting there with either sex.

    Lastly I'd like to say that I also think this might be my anxiety disorder. I know I have an anxiety disorder as I've had bullcrap with it all my life. I take my own thoughts way to seriously. For example if I think one of ym dogs is gonna die to day I wil be worrying over it untill the day is over. Or this one time when my mind would just spam thte thought "Sell your soul to the devil" For one hour sthraight that was about all I was thinking and I was absolutley terrified of it. So yea maybe this is my mind treified of being attracted to males so it continously worries over it and giving me feelings of attraction towards man to test if the fear is justified. Also no I dn't hate homosexuals or lesbians or whatever. The possible fear is just for myself. I have no problem with anybody else being with whomever they want to be. The thing is though and this is why I wonder of this is my anxiety disorder. When I ahve something I obsess over it ussualy doesn't last longer then a year. This has been going on for 5-6~ years now.


    So yea. thanks for your help and hopefully I'll finally find out why I just can't seem to stop thinking about this and that I might finally come to terms with it.
     
  2. Crepy

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    one mor onthing I forgot and why I am questioning if it rreally is my anxiety disorder playing up. With other things I got super anxious about and couldn't stop obsessing over. I always knew for a fact that while I did do those things I defanitley without a doubt didn't want to do them and wanted to get rid of the unwanted behaviour asap. With my attraction to guys.I find myself very uncertain on whether I want it or not. With my other pobsession I would be like "Yeah I defanitley don't want this let's do everything possible to stop obsessing over it!". Qith my possible attraction to man it's more "Do I want this or not? I'm not sure.....But a part of me really wants to find out if I am indeed attracted to man."
     
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    I think your worrying about it too much, if it bothers you that much you should probably see a doctor or a therapist.
     
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    You sound like you have anxiety...and you’re bisexual. I think the constant what ifs you are posing yourself are the problem. I struggle with overthinking a lot as well. It’s hard but honestly trying to relax should become your number one priority rather than pinning down your sexuality with a label.
     
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    i had a similar problem, my raising made it very hard to come to terms with myself, so, to find that out, i went out and tried it. i had relations with a guy, and i loved it, and that started the snowball, so go out and try it is my advice
     
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    also, yay i found a dutch person. my mom is a roosevelt by birth (yes those roosevelts) and i am mostly dutch by heritage
     
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    Hello! I'm sorry that you are going through a difficult time, but please be assured that your situation is not uncommon (my own experience is admittedly a little different to yours, though).

    I was confused about my sexuality for a long time and, for a period of at least five years, I genuinely didn’t know whether I was asexual or gay. I knew that I was exclusively attracted to other men and craved emotional intimacy with them, but I was indifferent toward the idea of losing my virginity and I also preferred the sight of fully clothed men to naked or semi-naked men.

    I typically spent two or three weeks obsessing about how I should label myself, and could go weeks or even months without actively analysing my sexuality, before something (whether it was a newspaper article or feelings of isolation) would restart the vicious circle.

    I felt completely out of place in the asexual community and found it easier to relate to gay culture, so I questioned whether I was using that as a way to bargain my way out of being asexual. The very idea of being gay freaked me out, though, so I couldn’t stop myself from simultaneously questioning whether I was using asexuality as a way to bargain my way out of being gay.

    The intensity of these conflicting thoughts felt so real and, as a result, my emotional wellbeing suffered enormously. I now self-identify as gay, but getting rid of the idea that I could be asexual will take time.

    When I contacted an LGBT helpline for advice, they told me that sexuality is not a fixed human interaction, and what people can identify with and relate to can alter over time and with experience.

    They added that different people experience or think about the same sexual act in different ways. People often have an intimacy gap – you may feel that the reality of a certain sexual act is awkward or uncomfortable when compared to your fantasies, for instance – and how you manage that gap is dependent on the extent you want to experience those fantasies in your life.

    They also advised me that I would have to find my own path in my own time and find a way to embrace my sexuality in a way that’s right for me. It didn't seem like it at the time, but the helpline advisor was right and, while I have not quite found my own path yet, I am slowly getting there.

    Defining your sexuality is a deeply personal process and, for that reason alone, it would be counterproductive and irresponsible of me to suggest whether you’re bisexual, gay or straight (others may feel differently about this, which is perfectly fine, but I personally do not feel qualified enough to make such a suggestion). I also want to stress that my personal experience does not automatically mean that you are bisexual or gay.

    Labels can be helpful, and some people regard sexuality as an important part of their lives, but this is not always the case for everyone. We live in a world that assumes and encourages a narrow definition of sexuality, so you may find it easier if you gave yourself permission to be unsure of your sexuality, and let your feelings and thoughts come and go (this really helped when I was desperate for any random online user to tell me whether I was asexual or gay - I'll never forget the desperation of wanting the confusion to stop). And please remember that there is absolutely no pressure or rush to decide exactly who you are.

    Your post indicates that you are experiencing considerable distress and could be suffering from a mental health disorder, so I’d urge you to see your GP as soon as possible.

    With the assistance of a general practice mental health worker, your GP can provide e-health (i.e. online counselling) and general treatment or, if any mental health disorder is sufficiently complex, they may refer you to a primary mental healthcare provider or directly to secondary care. Your GP, for instance, may refer you to PsyQ’s Zwolle office, who provide basic mental health care for mild and moderate anxiety disorders (this includes a maximum of 12 interviews with a nursing specialist, psychologist or psychotherapist, and is covered by basic insurance).

    Your government also offers you the opportunity to receive online mental health support anonymously via their e-health service, and you always have the option of seeing a welfare worker at your GP's office, your local health centre, your local community centre or your place of work.

    Roze Hulpverlening’s website, meanwhile, has details of three LGBT therapists in the Zwolle area. (A typical LGBT therapy session that may be partially covered by basic insurance costs between €80 and €115, while a typical LGBT therapy session that isn't covered by basic insurance costs between €50 and €90.)

    And, if you want to ask a native Dutch speaker for any confidential advice about your mental health or sexuality, here are some details of organisations that you may find useful.

    Sense, a Dutch health service that focuses specifically on relationships and sex, operate a helpline which can be reached via email, phone and web chat (they usually respond to emails within two working days). And, if you’re under the age of 25, they offer free consultations with a counsellor or health professional at the GGD IJsselland building in Zwolle. You can also contact MIND Korrelatie (a Dutch mental health helpline) and Switchboard (a Dutch helpline for the LGBT community) via email, phone and web chat.

    I wish you all the very best, and I hope that this helps you go forward in a way that feels right for you.
     
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    I agree with this actually. But only if you are in a safe place. It’s very important to never compromise your safety for a dangerous hookup. But if you’re with someone you safe with, a little experimentation might help.
     
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    you might be bi AND have an anxiety disorder. those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive.
     
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    This is very true. I definitely am both of those things. It's actually common for any person who is queer to also have mental health issues. It usually is linked to all the stress of an unforgiving society.
     
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    Hi all,

    Thanks for your replies and yea you all are right I should stop worrying so much about it. Thing is though I never seem capable of doing so. Because even those periods in between I still have thoughts about it and eventually they become so strong again that I come back to the point of completly obsesing about it. Honestly It feels like no matter what I do I just keep coming to this point. I tried to accept it it just made me feel very anxious up to the point where I ussualy flee from my anxious feelings. I tried just letting the thoughts go by without giving them a seccond thought. Which admitedly made me feel less anxious. Yet never makes them really dissapear and after no more then a month the worry sort of brute forces itself into my mind again.

    Yes I have seen therapists about this. Several times even. They have so far not been able to help. As so far there advice has been to just ignore it. Easier said then done sadly. Still though I am seriously considering consulting several therapists. One specialized in sexual orientation. Because I would like to explore my sexuality. Because while I feel I do like woman. I also feel like I am trying to force myself to like woman at times and I also feel like I would not be completly opposed to having a relationship with a man either. I'd also like to see a therapist who specialises in anxiety disorders to finally get rid of this constant feeling of dread. So that I'm free to explore whatever I want to explore without constantly worrying about it more then I really should.

    Also I'd like to adress that I know that an anxiety disorder and being bi or whatever aren't mutually exclusive. Hence why I gave reasons to why it could or could not be my anxiety disorder. Though tbh I seriously am starting to doubt it. As I feel like I like the idea of being attracted to man. with other things my mind would try to "seduce" me to like things. Which is what made me think this could be the same thing. But deep down inside I always knew I didn't really like them. This time though it feels more like I'm afraid to not be attracted to woman anymore then to be attracted to other man. Which I know isn't something that has to happen. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing. But fear is a very irrational thing sadly.

    Anyways, I made this post to give me some clarity and get some input from people who can look at my situation with a more objective look. As they see it from a more outside perspective. So thanks to all of you for me giving me some other perspectives. looking forward to any of your further points(If you have them). As I feel that just posting about it and reading your responses is helping me a little already.
     
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    1. It looks like the issue of labeling yourself creates a lot of stress and anxiety for you. Keep reminding yourself that a label is not mandatory. There are plenty of people who don’t fit in neatly into a label - and that’s fine. One example is a guy I know who dates women exclusively, sleeps with women, but also sleeps with men every few months or so. Maybe you don’t fit into any of the neat definitions, either - and that’s FINE.

    2. Remind yourself that not having an answer right here and now is also OK. This is a marathon, not a sprint - figuring yourself out takes time. Take a deep breath and allow yourself all the time you need. You deserve it.

    3. Keep in mind that human sexuality exists on a continuum, with totally straight on one end and totally gay on the other - MANY, many people fall somewhere in the middle.

    It will take time. Don’t beat yourself over it. Not knowing is okay. Take care of yourself.
     
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    Rin311 is right, Crepy. His words are wise!

    What I want to add is that understanding your sexuality is a work in progress that should be taken each day at a time. There will be periods where you think that you’re straight, there will be other periods where you think that you’re bisexual, there will be other periods where you think that you’re gay and there will be other periods where you don't want to label your sexuality. This is perfectly normal and, like Rin311 mentioned, some people don't find labels helpful or useful.

    There is no pressure or rush: it's absolutely fine to give yourself permission to be unsure of your sexuality, and you don't need to consider placing a temporary or permanent label on your feelings and thoughts until you are completely ready. After all, the psychologist and sexologist John Money once said that there are as many sexual orientations as there are people to experience them.

    Some people find that their sexuality is a significant part of their lives, but others feel that it isn't and this may be the case for you. People will relate to multiple different cultures, and what they identify with has the potential to change with time and experience. Comparing ourselves to other people, or trying to define what normal is, can also be unhelpful.

    It can be difficult to make peace with ourselves when we grow up in a world where we are assumed and encouraged to fit a narrow definition of heterosexuality. But we can also make peace with an answer when we let our feelings and thoughts come and go as they please, rather than trying to actively analyse or repress them. Sexuality is a natural part of what makes us human and shouldn't become a cause for negative feelings that undermine our self-worth.

    How you decide to define yourself is deeply personal and how you fit on the sexuality spectrum is for you to decide. It may seem important, but it doesn't have to be. As I mentioned earlier, you have to find your own path in your own time and find a way to embrace your sexuality in a way that's right for you.

    On a side note, you may also find interacting with men and women in social settings, or where there is an organised activity, helpful in terms of exploring your feelings around romantic and sexual ideas. But, in the meantime, I'd urge you to work towards being more comfortable with yourself as a person.

    Please look after yourself, Crepy, and remember that reaching out and opening up to people (even on this forum!) takes a lot of courage.
     
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    Yea you both are right it is a marthon and not a sprint. and I should allow myself to take it easy an be uncertain for a bit.

    Thing is though I've tried to let it rest. To stop wondering. To stop worrying. For 5-6 years now and it has never worked out for me. So I've instead decided to try and go down this route of self discovery again.

    Having said that though I'm not doing things the same as the other times this time though. For one I am not letting fear scare me off anymore. I don't try to force myself into one sexuality anymore. For example. Before I would always say I am gay you like guys now not girls. Now I think just like whatever you want. You don't have to give either sex up. Just be with whomever makes you happy. That helps alot. Yes I know that kinda goes against this what this threat seems to be. But it was always more ment as getting an outside perspective on my situation, getting things of my chest and facing my fears kind of threat. Though admitedly getting some clarity wasn't outside of my thoughts either. I furtherly try to keep my visit to these kind of sites to no more then "needed' as to not overdo it and I also try to keep my thoughts more positive.

    I also try to take are of myself by performing relaxation excersises like meditation, breathing excersies and stretching my muscles all throughout the day. To keep the anxiety and stress I feeel to a minimum.

    So yea while you all are right. i do want to stick with this because I hope that by pushing myself a little but not to much outside of my comfort zone my mind will eventually understand there is nothing to worry about. and stop becoming anxious about it.
     
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    The thing that immediately jumps out is the anxiety. From what you're describing, I'm not sure it's on the anxiety spectrum alone and might be on the obsessive-compulsive spectrum (though those two are related.)

    Here's the problem: Anxiety gets in the way of being able to understand one's sexual orientation, because it tends to suppress sexual desire (how much will vary based on severity and the individual person). So I don't think you'll be able to get any sort of definitive, meaningful answer until you address the anxiety.

    Are you seeing a therapist for the anxiety? Has medication been discussed? It sounds like you're in a severe enough place that the anxiety is really affecting your day-to-day functioning, and if that's the case, I'd strongly suggest getting help with it. If you're currently seeing a therapist, I'd bring this issue to the forefront and spend a couple of sessions dealing with it. If you're not... I'd recommend finding one.

    I think that piece needs to be resolved before you can meaningfully answer the other question.
     
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    Hey Chip while I was adament to sticking to it this morning I'm starting to feel that you might be right. I have felt sore for a week now and now I'm getting so stiff of the stress that everything in my body is seriously starting to hurt.

    So yea I think I should take that signal seriously. I contacted mind korelation as finisterre suggested and on their sugession I'm going to go to a cognitive behavioral therapist. I truly hope they will finally be able to help me as it is true. It is affecting my day to day live and I'm tired of constantly feeling anxious and now feeling pain because of it.

    So thanks to all for all your help and support. This will hopefully be my last post for now. Because yes. I seriously need to(at the minimum) Get this fear under control before I can even consider exploring my sexuality. Because as it stand now it just isn't worth it.
     
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    A helpline should be your first port of call if you need any initial advice or information about something (whether it’s concerning your mental health, sexual health, sexuality or any other potentially sensitive issue), but you still need to follow this up with a visit to your GP’s office. Helpline advisors are usually trained volunteers, so a mental health helpline should be regarded as an auxiliary or supplementary service and not a substitute for professional medical advice or a professional diagnosis.

    Chip is right in recommending therapy and suggesting the possibility of having OCD: you not only describe thoughts relating to your sexuality as "obsessive", but you mention that your obsessive thoughts concerning other matters can last up to 12 months. But there is also a likelihood that the helpline (or, even more likely, this forum) has overlooked something (on the basis that you have been given advice and information on the internet/telephone), so you need to make sure that you have covered all bases by seeing your GP.

    I know that GPs in the Netherlands are notorious for sending patients home and telling them to rest, but your GP may need to contact a crisis intervention team if you are considered to be suffering from acute mental health problems. You also need to keep persisting, or try another GP at your GP’s office, if your first consultation is unsatisfactory. And, if you decide to see a therapist privately, you should still consult your GP beforehand for a professional opinion (in the same way you would consult your GP for a professional opinion before starting, for instance, a weight loss plan).

    Exercise, positive thinking (what me and others were essentially advising), a healthy diet, opening up to people (even anonymously on the internet/telephone) and abstaining from alcohol/tobacco can help to manage your mental health, but there is no effective substitute for medication and/or some form of talking therapy. It’s imperative that you consider your options as thoroughly as possible, though, and don’t make any knee-jerk decisions.