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General News George H.W. Bush dead at 94

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by BothWaysSecret, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Destin

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    Thank you for confirming this is a nonsense conspiracy theory. What you just described literally isn't possible. For one thing, federal agencies and special agents don't focus on these things, they focus on their individual missions like the DEA about drugs, and the Marshals about fugitives. The only ones that do anything outside their direct scope are NSA (which doesn't have agents), FBI (which only really focuses on the U.S. not international issues) and CIA (which focuses only on international issues, and is banned by law from working on domestic ones). Technically the military agents too but they don't do a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

    It's impossible for anyone to have 13 clearances in different countries. The main reason being that holding a clearance in another country is an automatic rejection for most countries security background checks, especially the U.S.

    Even more of a reason why it's impossible, is that U.S. security clearances don't grant you access to everything at once. Even with the highest TS/SCI identifier mark clearances you're still only allowed to access things directly applicable to what you're working on. So unless you were specifically working the JFK case, you'd still have no access to anything about it. Even Interpol doesn't have real clearances in multiple countries, they just are allowed to work while supervised by that country's agents.

    You want to know how I know this? A quick rundown of some family friends/clients:

    3 FBI, 2 CIA (one agent, one analyst), 1 Army CID, 2 Air Force OSI, 1 diplomatic security service. All agents except the one analyst. Living next to a large Air Force and Naval air base with one of your parents working there racks up connections quick of people who use government aircraft to travel often.

    Also like Chierro said, there's about a 0% chance of anyone with less than 20+ years in an agency having any interaction with higher level topics so at 29 that'd be impossible.
     
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    I commend you for saying exactly what I was going for, just much more eloquently!
     
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    Good riddance!
     
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    I don't have to justify myself, but just fyi, by age 20 I was a self trained, high level computer programmer, specializing in technology that no one else was putting much effort into. By being in the right place at the right time, I fell into an opportunity based on my highly specialized knowledge, and the fact that I could pass a background and high level security check. No one else in the free world (who could pass security muster) could do what I did. I began working for a front company (a defense contractor), and at 21 I became a "special" agent because I wasn't associated with any individual government or military agency, but rather did work for many, many different agencies, for the US and several other countries. I acted as an instructor at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Georgia for a year, and then worked in the field for 3 more years. I was a data specialist, and performed highly sophisticated computer analysis of many, many audio and video tapes, films, CDs and DVDs, as well as computer hard drives and solid state memory devices, and digitized documents. Yes, it's more than unusual for a person of that age to be in a position anything like I was in -- I was and I'm sure still am unique in that respect, but being the only person who did what I did, nobody cared anything about anything except what I could do with the unusually specialized knowledge and skill I had. I have relatively severe ADD, which oddly enough greatly enhanced my creativity as a programmer, and allowed me to do highly specialized programming, most of it in assembler language, at a very fast pace, and without the need for lengthy testing and troubleshooting periods. What I wrote ran straight off and did what I needed it to do to facilitate the work I did, I know who I am and what I did -- and what I know. I trained somewhere around 6,000 US and international government, military, and security agents. I had their respect and don't need yours. My career ended abruptly as a result of an injury to my brain suffered in a motorcycle accident. I am already pushing the limits of the non-disclosure agreements I signed, so this is the end of this discussion. George H.W. Bush is by no means the person who you and many, many others have been duped into believing he was.
     
  6. I'mStillStanding

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    Personally, and I’m no Bush fan, I think the loss of any life is sad. They were loved by someone, had family and friends who will miss them. So taking a moment to show respect to a soul that was here, no matter how you judge it’s quality, that is now gone is never a bad thing. Everyone makes mistakes and does things they shouldn’t. Our good deeds will never cancel out our bad, and on the other hand our bad can’t cancel out our good either. I think we need to find a balance.

    With that said, to focus only on the good of a person after they pass really is an injustice. There were plenty of things that he did that caused a lot of harm to a lot of people, and to ignore that is to ignore those lives. Why do they deserve less respect than he does? It’s important to discuss these things, but in a way that has purpose.
     
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    I think it's important to keep a strong sense of perspective on his presidency. To criticise elements of his domestic policy, including a failure as both Vice President and President to adequately respond to the HIV/AIDS crisis, must be balanced with fair-minded moves such as assenting to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Errors like those condmned by the article @smurf linked are things we mustn't ignore and many of them are abject failures (though I firmly reject that Bush and the rest of the international community was wrong to sanction a violent dictator, whose refusal to comply with the terms of resolutions authorising sanctions was the ultimate cause of most of the Iraqi deaths identified).

    But these are overshadowed by the extraordinary efforts he made to preserve and enhance peace, rule of law and liberal democracy globally. The quarter century of peace and stability he ushered in, when things could have deterioriated very quickly and very nastily, is something we must not take for granted.

    His record on that front is enviable. His impeccable management of the collapse of the Soviet Union, the mismanagement of which could have caused war or the misuse of nuclear weapons, averted what could have been disaster capable of wiping out countless lives. Guaranteeing the peaceful reinufication of Germany created terms which entrenched a united Germany once and for all into the Western liberal order and opened up democracy and national self-determination to millions, an outcome that was still uncertain but which we now wrongly see as a foregone conclusion. Preserving Kuwaiti sovereignty while not embroiling the United States and its allies in a prolonged war against Iraq was a remarkable exercise in self-restraint, which avoided the mistake his son made in seeking regime change and occupation. The human impact of these giant successes of foreign policy are easily lost in the abstract. But it meant prosperity and a preservation of lives and livelihoods that few US Presidents can justly claim as their legacy.
     
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    GHWB was the best elected Republican president of my life time, beating out such stalwarts as the crook Nixon, the "AIDS laugher" Reagan, his war criminal son and the mobster Trump.

    He still was abjectly terrible. He pardoned Reagan's criminals, he killed people with AIDS and he did make Dubya. He did find Trump a bit vulgar.

    Hope you are rotting in hell, George, with Barb and your many mistresses.
     
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    I consider him to be the last decent Republican president.