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Doubting my own gender identity questions

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by FortyTwo, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. FortyTwo

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    I have been lurking on this site since I joined a few months ago, mostly in this section of the forum, hoping for some magical insight or kernel of truth to help me figure myself out. Truthfully, I am feeling as lost and confused as I was when I first started questioning my gender identity.

    I am AMAB, but I have never been that attached to being masculine. It's familiar and it's what has been expected of me, so I just kind of rolled with it. I'm 31 and for the longest time, I did not want to question anything about myself because it seemed too scary and life-changing. I finally came out to myself as bisexual a couple of years ago and that led to more questions about myself, including my gender identity. I really get hit hard when I see other people in their transitions, especially people my age. I get anxious, thinking I'm missing something big about myself and I am running out of time to address it.

    I have been all over the map in my head, trying to figure out where I am: cis, transfem, nonbinary, bigender, genderfluid, and so on. I don't know how to trust any of my thoughts or feelings. I don't know if I am just trying to chalk up my depression, anxiety, and body image issues up to something else. I'm already getting help for the depression and anxiety, but the therapists I have seen don't really specialize in LGBT issues.

    I should probably see a gender therapist. Unfortunately, it's probably going to have to wait because I am between jobs and the insurance I am on now doesn't let me go see any of the therapists in my area who specialize in that. Sorry for the rambling post. I know I am really the only person who can answer my question. I guess I am just putting this out there in case someone has had a similar experience.
     
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    -> I am AMAB, but I have never been that attached to being masculine.

    I am also AMAB, but never had any reason to question my gender. I "prefer" sex with guys, but am capable of performing with a female, as is sometimes expected. I have also had a fantasy of dating a guy who identifies as a woman, but has not yet transitioned. In that scenario, outwardly I'd be dating a woman, and between the sheets, I'd know better what to do with 'him'. I guess I think that might be more socially acceptable, not that it matters what others think. Just one of my more kinky fantasies.

    -> I finally came out to myself as bisexual a couple of years ago

    I'm not convinced that labels do us any favors. I prefer to identify as 'human and capable'. I don't identify as bi because I don't find myself sexually attracted to women. It is what it is. I know what raises the flag.

    -> I don't know how to trust any of my thoughts or feelings. I don't know if I am just trying to chalk up my
    -> depression, anxiety, and body image issues up to something else.

    It sounds like you just need a friend, not a partner in bed, just a friend. It can be hard to open up to others about inner desires. Most people don't want to hear it. I'm pretty open minded, and will admit I may not have the same feelings. I will not tell you that your feelings are wrong, mostly because they are *your* feelings, not mine. They have to be fine for you, you just need to share them with somebody who won't be critical about them.
     
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    The way you expressed that: "I have never been attached to being masculine", really rings true for me.
    I wasn't into sports, I was into fantasy play. Especially the sort that featured barely clothed men with muscular, ripped bodies (think WWF wrestling or HeMan).
    I liked riding my bike, and just hanging out with usually one male friend at a time, engaged in some sort of role play. I liked swimming with my male friends, I remember a huge crush I had on one boy when I was 10, didn't realize it was a crush at the time, but it was. That friendship ended when his older brother and friend, both three years older, beat me up in front of his house one day.
    I loved going places with again, usually one male friend, that was always my preference, once we had driver's licenses and access to cars. I liked to try to look like a tough guy, a real lady's man, which I could sort of pull off because I was pretty good at getting girl's attentions.
    One friend in particular, had access to his parents brand new Mustang, we used to go cruising for chicks when we were 16, I never cared that we never really got any. I used to lie about having had been with girls before, he was so in awe, usually we just drove around, me trying to look cool which, as I reflect back, meant to me look pretty, I was obsessed with my perfect hair, that kind of thing. I guess I was happy being his date.
    I fucked that friendship up, and to this day really regret that. Stupid me, he was a really good guy.
    So if other guys talked about fixing up cars or such, I pretended to look interested, but had no clue at all what they were talking about, I just wanted to go out and do stuff with one male friend. As soon as the group setting came about, I stopped fitting in. I would usually just admire how hot the girls looked, their pretty makeup and flattering clothes, I would crush on them all because a) I was a horny teenager and b) I think I was always really envious of how girls got to look and the attention they commanded from the boys.
    All the while I had my own secret past of already quite a few sexual experiences with other boys my age, by the time I started high school.
    I can think of at least 8 different boys I hung out with over periods of time, just one on one, and of those 8, three that I had overt sexual play of some kind with.
    Never once did I really want to do anything stereotypically male.
    I got picked on as a "fag" early on high school for the pretty way I dressed, then I guess after switching schools figured it better to try to look tough (my dad even said as much).
    I totally know what you're getting at. The more I really think back, the more I see that I do actually have memories of things back then, they aren't forgotten, maybe they've been repressed?
     
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    Ugh, I'm so sorry about your insurance situation. In your whole exposition about not being all that attached to masculinity, and you did it only because it was expected, is a very big and very common trans mood. I learned to hate masculine performance by 16. By 29 (my current age) I realized I was hella trans the entire time, but basically nobody saw it. I didn't see it, my parents and friends didn't see it.

    I don't know how things are in your area, but you can medically transition without a therapist. What you'll want to search to find out is "informed consent clinics."

    With warmth, Adrienne
     
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  5. FortyTwo

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    I'm so sorry to hear about that soured friendship. I was never beaten up, but I do know what it is like to have people who I thought were friends turn on me and try to make life miserable. One of them was a crush, though I didn't realize it at the time, either. It's one of the worst feelings in the world.

    I know what you mean about not really being interested in doing anything stereotypically male. I was never athletic and I would just nod and barely pretend to be interested when the conversation turned to sports and stuff like that.

    When I was in high school, I didn't really try to look tough as much as I tried to dress in really subdued clothes and kept to myself because it felt like any attention was bad attention. I know what you mean about forgotten to repressed memories. I have been looking back on my life more in the past few weeks than I have in the past few years and recalling lots of things that I just haven't thought about for a decade or two. Recognizing bouts of depression and dissociation for the first time has raised more questions than it answered. Those memories are just making a gender therapist seem like more and more of a necessity.

    Thank you for the support. I looked into it and there don't appear to be any informed consent clinics in Indiana. The closest ones are a 3-hour drive for me. I am not even sure I should transition at this point, too many unanswered questions for me to commit to something permanent. It's good information to have, though.

    Hearing both your perspectives gave me a lot to think about.
     
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