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homosexual in a vacuum

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by dudette, Jun 22, 2018.

  1. dudette

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    I have been thinking about this.
    Let us assume that there is a person in a vacuum since the beginning of his existence.
    Do you think that this person is going to be able to know if he is homosexual or heterosexual?

    Additionally, I do realize that some EC members argue that imagination is a bad indication for one's sexuality; however, I will try to show that it is not the case because imagination is connected with perception. Also I do not know the EC's view on perception (for example, you get aroused by hugging a person); however, If EC is going to try to argue what AVEN argues that perception is a bad indicator of one's sexuality then I am leaving the place for good :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: because then you get into "everything is a bad indicator of one's sexuality".

    I think that he is not going to know this unless he leaves the vacuum, and here is my argumentation (tell me if you agree or disagree).

    For this argumentation, let us assume that the mind has these 5 faculties: ability to think, ability to imagine, ability to sense perception, ability to reason, ability to memorize.

    The way how I see it, Each of the faculties is hardwired which means that if there is some kind of information then the mind is able to process it.

    The faculty of thinking is just the movement of the information from one faculty to another in our mind.
    The faculty of perception is responsible for converting information outside of ourselves into information which our mind is able to process.
    The faculty of imagination is responsible for imagining a scenario using the information from memory or perception. (For example to imagine unicorn, you need memory of a horse and horn which at some point you have perceived).
    The faculty of reason is responsible for our reason.
    The faculty of memory is responsible for memorizing all the information which is received from outside or created within our mind. (For example to imagine unicorn, you need memory of a horse and horn which at some point you have perceived, and this unicorn is memorized as the horn and horse).

    Now, the world outside of ourselves is perceived by our 5 senses. The ability of sensing gives rise to thinking, thinking gives rise to memorization, imagination or reason.
    Memory gives rise to thinking, thinking gives rise to imagination or reason, imagination and reason give rise to thinking, thinking gives rise to memorization.

    By my understanding, if the senses sense only vacuum (sensing nothingness) then we are going to have memory of vacuum only.
    If we have only memory of vacuum then we can say that the memory is a vacuum because it is empty (no information is ever stored in our mind).
    If the memory is empty and the world outside of ourselves is empty then we cannot create new information via our imagination or reason (for example 0+0 = 0, 0-0 = 0, so no changes in our memory ever occur, we need new information such as 1, and 1 does not occur in a vacuum). So we cannot imagine and reason. Therefore, the mind would be a vacuum as long as it stays in the vacuum.

    Let us assume that sexuality is additional faculty in our mind which is responsible for receiving some kind of information, and according to the structure of the faculty specific information will give rise to arousal. So perception gives rise to thinking, thinking gives rise to sexuality. Additionally, memory gives rise to thinking, thinking gives rise to sexuality.

    Let us assume that this person who is in a vacuum get aroused by touch of a guy.
    If there is no guy to touch him or hug him; therefore, he will never know it. and since he lives in a vacuum then he will never be able to imagine this scenario because he does not have memory of a guy touching him.

    Additionally, This is one of the argumentations why imagination is a good indicator of one's sexuality because it is depended on the perception. So for example you hug a guy in real life, and you find it enjoyable, and via memory and imagination you can recreate the same scenario.
    Also it can go the other way also, you hug a girl and you don't find it enjoyable (because your faculty of sexuality does not have this specific structure to find it enjoyable); therefore, you do not find it fun/necessary to recreate this scenario via memory and imagination.
    By my understanding, we realize our sexuality first by our senses (such as touch and sight) and later we use memory and imagination to recreate these scenarios in a creative way because they are enjoyable as in real life.

    Also I leave porn as semi-bad/semi-god indicator because porn does not involve oneself. It involves only sight but not touch, and I would argue that porn is good indicator if you would find it enjoyable to masturbate to two people having sex, and not really being involved in it, and in my argumentation, I was focusing on the most natural way of realizing one's sexuality (before the internet).
     
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    Also some people give this argumentation against imagination: "I like flight simulations, but I don't like to fly in real life". I think that this argument has little to do with sexual fantasies and sex, because flight simulation does not give you any indication of liking flying in real life because it involves only sight (it is like comparing porn to sex, and not really sexual fantasies and sex). I would agree that "I like flight simulations, but I don't like to fly in real life" is like saying "I like porn but I don't like sex real life" because sexual fantasies which involves oneself are depended on sense perception (sight and touch). Yes, some sexual fantasies are depended on porn (only sight), but then again in my argumentation, I was focusing on the most natural way of realizing one's sexuality (before internet).
     
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    If they're in a vacuum then they wouldn't know what other people look like so I think it would be impossible to be attracted to anything. You can't be attracted to men if you've never seen a man before.
     
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    I mean, you’re right, but why the post?

    A person living in a vacuum knows nothing and therefore cannot create memories. Nothing can be imagined because there are no memories to base off of. (Dreams and imagination are all based off of memories, i.e., you cannot imagine a new face, a face in a dream is one you’ve seen before.)

    Without knowledge or interaction with any other person there is no way to determine sexuality. The guy wouldn’t even know what he himself looks like. So, he’s...nothing.

    The person would also be dead because they’d be in a vacuum where nothing can exist and therefore they can’t exist. This can’t ever happen. So why the post?
     
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    well because I was kinda bored, and I remember that some people here argued that sexual fantasies are bad indicator of one's sexuality, so I have decided to put counter-argument that sexual fantasies are good indicator of one's sexuality, and later see how many of you would agree or disagree (and why).
    Also I used this example of homosexual in vacuum to argue that sexual fantasies are based on memories and imagination which are based on our perception, and since perception is needed to determine one's sexuality then sexual fantasies are the outcome of collective sensations through out our lives.
     
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    It really doesn’t need to be argued that sexual fantasies are based on memories and imagination though since that’s already true?

    Also, sexual fantasies are a bad indicator of one’s sexuality. The only good indicator of someone’s sexuality...the person saying what their sexuality is. That is the only definite indicator. When I was younger I’d imagine girls, and I’m gay.
     
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    I am attracted to guys, but then I would test your theory.
    I have said to myself I am wall-sexual, and later I looked and touched my wall and nothing happened, and I do not feel sexually attracted to walls, why? I mean since "the person saying what their sexuality is" is the good indicator of someone's sexuality then why I am not sexually attracted to walls?
     
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    That’s...that literally does not make any sense.

    What I’m saying is if a person says it, believe it. If a person says “I’m gay,” you don’t look for indicators to try and prove or disprove that. You just say, okay.

    Only you can decide your sexuality. Only you know who you are sexually attracted to. If you’re a guy and you’re not sexually attracted to women, you don’t go around and say, “I’m straight.” But you know what, if you did, people would just respond with “Okay” because that’s your call.

    But honestly man, what you’re saying is not making any sense at all.