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How can I protect a family member who came out to me?

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  1. Destin

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    I just found out something I never would have expected. Those of you who know me here, know that my religious family recently disowned me for being gay. My siblings aren't allowed to talk to me because my mom wants it that way. One of them did anyway today.

    My 14 year old sister called me and I could tell something was different than usual, but at first she just said she wanted me to know she still loves me no matter what bad things our mom says about me to her, which meant a lot to me. Then she shocked me by saying I'm not the only homosexual child from our family. She thinks she's either lesbian or bisexual and has known for over a year. She even secretly had a short relationship with a girl that nobody knew about.

    She was afraid of our parents finding out to begin with, but now after she saw how I was treated she's much more scared about what would happen to her if they found out. I'm an adult at least and live on my own, she still lives with our parents and will for at least 4+ more years. I love her and I don't want anything bad to happen to her because of this.

    I'm so conflicted. I want her to be happy and be able to be herself if she feels that way, and 4+ more years is a long time to hide something like that without making herself miserable and not being able to experience what she wants to, especially in high school. If my mom found out though... I don't even know how bad that could get for her to realize she has a second gay child when she already hates the first one for it. Then she would probably think I somehow influenced my sister into feeling that way and just...ugh it would be so bad for both of us, much worse for her since she lives with them.

    How can I protect my sister without telling her to hide who she is for years?
     
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    The first thing I would do is get her a trac phone with a couple thousand minutes on it so she can call her big brother without anyone knowing. You are going to be her main line of support until other solutions are found.
     
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    Well, first I feel badly for both of you. Everyone should feel safe being who they are. It’s ridiculous how parents react to a gay child. I’m 52 and won’t give my mother the satisfaction of demeaning me, so I’m not out to her. Unfortunately you and more so your sister aren’t in a position where you can be yourself without retaliation.

    Be supportive and tell her she can talk to you anytime. Have her get an email account that just the two of you use. I like the idea of a disposable phone, too. She needs your support because you have a level of understanding for her situation.

    Good luck and she is lucky to have you!!!
     
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    That's a really good idea. I can definitely do that. Getting it to her could be a bit challenging since she doesn't drive and I can't just show up to the house to give it to her. Something can be figured out for sure though, maybe she can stay with a friend for a day and I'd meet her there or something.
     
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    Hey Dustin.... Both the phone and the email are good ideas. However, make sure she understands the danger if your parents find out about either one. She'll need to find an absolutely secure place to put the phone. She will also need to know how to completely cover her tracks if she ever uses a computer at home. If you're not techie enough to tell her how to hide her "efootprint", let me know and I can give you pointers. My Master's in Computer Technology is good for something, after all! :old_big_grin: She will also have to be sure that she uses the phone/computer at a time when she won't be discovered. I went through the computer part of this after I came out here on empty closets and before I came out to my wife. During that time I made sure that there was no evidence at all of me being on EC. Except for checking with my ISP, I don't think even the FBI could have found anything! ....well maybe that's an over statement! :old_rolleyes: I sure hope that you can help her....yes, 4 years is a long time at her age to hide in fear. Kids should not have to be afraid of their parents. I can promise you that your "christian" parents are NOT acting "Christ-like".
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    Thank god she has you.

    How controlling are your parents of her time away from home/school, how controlling are they of her internet time etc?
     
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    Extremely controlling. My mom would check my computer/phone all the time without telling me when I was a kid to see what I was doing and make sure I wasn't doing stuff she didn't like. Any time away from home/school had to be gone over in extreme detail until she was satisfied that I wasn't lying about what I'd be doing and with who for how long. If she got suspicious of anything or I was even a little late she would call and want to know what was happening. It's even more invasive and restrictive for my sister, my mom wants to make sure she isn't getting taken advantage of by boys or whatever so constantly keeps track of what she does.

    Hiding the phone shouldn't be too hard though, it's a pretty big house with lots of hiding spots hard to reach for adults but easy for kids.
     
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    How supportive of LGBT is her school? Would they keep it a secret from her parents if they knew? Is there a way for her to privately use a computer at school at any point (during lunch break etc)?

    It is great that she has her big brother but I am thinking that it would be great if she had more support than you alone. Is there a way for her to at least read along on this forum (or another)? If she did join this forum, that would open up another avenue of communication with you too (although, I understand that you may want your posts here to remain 100% private from all family, including her).
     
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    Zero LGBT support. It's a private Christian school which outright bans anything related to homosexuality. I went there too for a little while. They do have computers to use, but they aren't private. They get monitored frequently to make sure kids aren't looking up porn or other stuff like that. They would certainly not keep it a secret from our parents. The first thing the school would do is call a meeting about it to inform the parents about it and find a way to "correct" the gay behavior.

    I actually did mention her possibly seeking support on a forum or online community, but she said she would rather not. I think she was afraid of it being discovered at some point. Also yeah it would be pretty awkward having her be able to read all the the past things I've posted, and I don't really think she would be comfortable reading such intimate things about my personal life.
     
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    Its heartbreaking that she is put in such a situation. It shouldnt be this way.

    At least the phone thing will work.
     
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    Screenshot from the school website. The part I circled describes their official policy on LGBT. The words "confront sin in love" are code for "if your kid is gay when they get here they won't be when they leave". Man it makes me mad seeing things like that openly written on a school website. I never used to notice it before, but now that I do it's so wrong for a school to make kids feel bad and insecure about what they might be feeling. School is supposed to be safe, not something to fear.

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    That sort of thing happens. I especially recall one incident when a woman appeared on EC after finding out her son was posting here...
     
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    As for the phone, I just thought of one obvious thing to be careful with that might be overlooked... But the phone should be shut down before being hidden (or, at the very least, set so it will stay silent). When I got a prepaid phone, it was amazing how many calls I got. Probably people trying to get a hold of whoever had my number before I did. The last thing you need is a hidden secret phone ringing...
     
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    Destin....I was an educator in public schools for 41 years....this is bullshit. You know that I am a Christian..but so often there is a huge disconnect between words and actions. Christ taught love...yes bad, immoral actions (depending on your definition of immoral) have bad results, but he never, not one time ever mentioned anything about same-sex relationships. Too many "Christians" convince themselves that "tough love" is needed when someone crosses a moral line that they have set...not one that God has set. Then they see themselves as the "hand of God" to punish the evil-doers. That attitude caused the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition which killed thousands of people in the name of God. I can only imagine the tears God sheds over the horrors done in His Name. I don't pity those stupid, self-righteous bigots...but I feel terrible for those that they have hurt and discouraged. Sorry for the rant....
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    I agree completely. It's really upsetting to me seeing these parts of Christianity I was oblivious to before when it didn't affect me. Everyone was always so friendly and talked about building loving Christian communities and not bullying people in church and at school, but I guess as soon as you cross one of their moral lines like not being straight all the talk of love goes right out the window. It instead becomes 'let's harass them, threaten them, hurt them and punish them but it's ok because we're doing it for their own good!'.

    In normal society harassing and hurting children is the most hated crime possible, yet stick the word 'Christian' on a school and apparently it's then totally fine for authority figures to harass vulnerable children over something they didn't choose and can't control until they hate themselves and are forced to hide from people who are supposed to be there to help them feel safe.
     
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    Destin, have you been able to have any sort of communication with your mom at all? Your dad? He must be more open since he is in healthcare?
     
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    No. She meant it when she said she wants nothing to do with me until I'm straight again.

    He's more open to it in general yea and he doesn't have a problem treating LGBT patients, but he still doesn't like it and refuses to talk to me now because of it. Unlike my mom he doesn't say anything hurtful, he just says nothing and removed himself completely from the situation to show his disapproval. His mentality seems to basically be 'I can work with those people, but I don't want them anywhere else in my life'.
     
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    That's great that she confided in you and at least has her brother to talk to, when she can. Definitely going to be hard to talk to her. Sounds like it will be a miserable four years if she came out. Perhaps you can just be her main support for now and talk about coming out or not. Don't know how far away you live from her, but can you meet her at a public library or a mall or park? Any chance that your parents would be less hostile to her?
     
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    I've reread this entire thread. I hate to say this...but I think unfortunately your sister is realistically faced with surviving 4+ years of being in the closet.

    One thought did hit me--is she going to be stuck with this school (or an equivalent) for 4 years? A different school might make things at least a little bit better.

    Another thing--is she likely to go to college? If so, that will give a real hope of escape in a few years, assuming she can go someplace LGBT friendly. This would give her something to work towards now. Plus thinking of this now helps to plan better, like figuring out ways of selling your mother a college that is not conservative Christian.

    I also will point out one other thing. I know that being heavily closeted is not ideal. But it is something that unfortunately happens. Indeed, it routinely happened not that many years ago. When I was in high school (1980s), no one was openly LGBT that I knew of. And I'd bet that many (if not most) LGBT teenagers never, ever admitted the fact to anyone, even in confidence. And after surviving this, one was faced with a world considerably more hostile than today. At least your sister has a more accepting world to look forward to after surviving the next few years.
     
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    Three hours away. It's an extremely small town geographically because it's pretty much on an island, so there's a really high likelihood of someone who knows us seeing us at a public library or park. That in itself isn't an issue, but gossip could be. If someone happens to mention to my mom they saw us together at the park or whatever it would tip her off that something strange is going on. My parents would probably be less hostile to her since she's a girl and adopted so wasn't expected to continue the family bloodline like I was, but due to being adopted my mom might treat her unfairly with a mentality of 'why couldn't we have picked a straight kid to adopt instead' type of thing...which obviously would hurt my sister a lot.