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Am I Trans Enough? Am I even still trans? Just self-conscious doubt.

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  1. AlexJames

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    Is it possible to suppress being trans and literally just not know till adulthood? I hear of so many ppl that are or did figure it out as a teenager. I mean yeah my mom's a tyrant and growing up she was emotionally abusive and could be manipulative to get her way and angered easily and would yell and scream and insult and shit and day to day still is quite dramatic. I'm not even exaggerating she probably has an undiagnosed mood or personality disorder she's in denial of. She doesn't even realize she's in the wrong.

    But anways, like with my sexuality, instead of figuring myself out at like 11/12 when i noticed signs i suppressed it, convinced myself i was being inappropriate, and shoved it to the back of my mind by highschool. So is it possible that i did the same with my gender identity? The most obvious sign is the fact that for at least half my life, i either wondered why i didn't have a dick or wished i could just have a dick for a day. When i discovered masturbation i just couldn't figure it out at first and i didn't really care for it and my biggest thought was like okay, why didn't i finish. Despite me at this age having not discovered porn yet cause my parents gave me a computer that was basically child protected haha. Some kinda program on it that shut down internet after a certain time, blocked certain sites based on keywords, etc. But me being me i just shoved it aside as curiousity, that was my thing i would convince myself that any abnormal thought was normal but just taboo to talk about or inappropriate and push it away.

    For years i just thought i was the modest, uninterested, straight religious girl my mom raised me to be. It felt wrong, nothing ever felt right, i felt out of place and like i didnt belong among the other girls and i never understood them. Never liked pink or princesses and although i don't mind shopping i see shoes as functional and clothes well i don't buy them unless i need them although i am choosey about what i buy, and to this day don't even know how to put on eyeliner much less a full face of makeup. I was my most authentic self in elementary school. I liked cartoons and video games and space and dinosaurs and science and history and although i liked boys clothes i wasn't permitted to wear them and although i wasn't and never would be sporty, i enjoyed playing outside.

    I just...i doubt a lot. Because even though i see shopping for clothes as functional i still don't mind it. I like sort of girly things like wax scents/essential oil diffusers (basically alternatives to candles) and decorating for christmas. Sometimes at work i'll see a witty tee or a dress in the juniors section and think its cute - like if i had to dress up or wear girls clothes one day a year, that's what i would want to wear. But i mean, i own a dress - one single dress - and i've tried it on recently just to see my own reaction...cause i mean i bought it but never wore it for manipulative distraction purposes if mom ever forced me to go to church or dragged me along for some event or another. It was a pretty dress and i found a decent necklace to go with it from my old collection of necklaces (i would get them on birthdays from parents as gifts but never wore most of them)...i mean it was pretty but i just felt uncomfortable. I mean i'm sure if i had someone doll me up and i walked around getting compliments that would be nice but i think i would have still felt uncomfortable. but i also feel like i need to lose 20-30lbs so i can stop seeing hips in the mirror. Speaking of i also went through a purse phase as a tween/teen. I had a purse and i liked purse shopping. But you know the thing about girls clothes is they literally don't have pockets! And all i ever put in it was normal pocket stuff like money and my cell phone and maybe some lip balm if my lips were chapped bad cause winter, nothing girly like makeup...i never could figure out why some girls needed to carry a huge purse. Sometimes i'd try to be a girl and put stuff in it just to try to belong, whatever i could think of like a pad of paper, a pen, a tube of lipgloss that very rarely got used, some advil, etc. But once i found jeans this past year, two years really, with big enough pockets i stopped needing to carry one around. I've got a locker at work for that sort of thing.

    I just really doubt myself sometimes...and i'm sorry to anyone who had to read this its just really been bugging me. Like just because once or twice a year i could probably tolerate being all dressed up or even being forced into normal girls clothes...or cause i look at a handful of items in the juniors section and go hey that's cute but meanwhile i know i wouldn't like it on me...but at the same time there was a phase where i liked juniors section tees and skinny jeans but at the same time, i mean what else is there to buy? Mom made me dress modestly growing up (no low neckline, no tank tops, etc) and with jeans it always seemed to be bootcut and i hate bootcut or skinnies. So skinny jeans it is. Even if i hate hate hate my thighs in them. I just...i mean if i was your typical jock this would be easier to bear. I mean yeah all my handful of friends were outcasts and tomboys or boys growing up. But...like is it really possible to hide from yourself that well? Can i still be a real trans guy if i had but vehemently deny having things like a purse phase or liking select juniors clothes for what seems like a long time as a teen? I mean if my mom had let me buy graphic tees from the mens section or so much as walk into hot topic it would have been a done deal, but that was never happening so i had to make due with clothes from the grocery store.
     
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    GOD DAMNIT i had an entire paragraph of edits, typed out exactly how i felt, and JUST CAUSE THE TIME LIMIT EXPIRED its all gone now, not even able to be saved and copied pasted as a second post? I swear moments like these remind me why i am probably borderline. Literally triggered as fuck right now. As if i didn't ALREADY feel bad enough today.
     
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    WHat i was trying to say summed up is that i went through puberty young. Which is surprising really cause while i was tall for my age, i was always underweight. Because of this is sort of just took it as a fact of life and nobody else my age was going through it so there was no one to talk to or compare it to, not that i had friends at school to begin with. It was just an annoying, unfortunate fact of life that was it. I didn't feel anything towards breast development either. At best i would just look at them or poke at them and be like why are you there or huh this is amusing but that's it.

    When i discovered masturbation, i mean i had a laptop at this point and i was in middle school but it had some kind of child safe program on it so i literally couldn't look up anything PG13 or parent unapproved. I had no clue what i was meant to be doing and i never really got into it either, i could never figure out why i didn't finish or at least it didn't feel like i was, whatever i expected that to be.
     
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    The time limit thing happened to me before too. I HATE it lol. Sorry that it happened to you at such a time.

    I am not all that experienced in trans issues so I will let others with more knowledge respond to you more fully here.

    For now, I think this comic may be somewhat relevant to part of what you have said here today:
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    This made me laugh. xD

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    One of the things I definitely memorized about you is that you really, really like... what they're called... *looks up* «essential oil diffusers», so... there are people who make visual design (furniture), people who make sound design (acoustics) and you... can start a new professional practice of smell design? I'm not joking, maybe it works and you'll make a bunch of money.

    Now, the serious part. On the next post, or everything will be erased as your post was erased.
     
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    Same here \o/ *sarcastic enthusiasm*
    Mine is mentally sane I guess, but influenced by past generations after (or: before) past generations of violence, abuse, alcoholism, poverty...

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    Searching the internet, you'll find many personal stories of trans people who don't match with stereotypes. These are the reality, the actual truth, not the pre-cooked narrative that often therapists spoonfeed with, like suggesting the words even before you say them. For ex, I found (about transguys):
    >> those who found out at 40s or 50s
    >> one who used to wear feminine clothes and even wrote a fashion blog, then came out and took hormones, now "wears metrosexual" but didn't remove old posts
    >> those who have a wide, sensible feminine side
    >> those who, after taking hormones, do drag queens
    >> those who have pregnancies and, if pre-op, breastfeed (/chestfeed); interrupting - in case - hormone therapy
    ...

    The list is infinite.
     
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    I'm pretty much here to say this post is super relatable to me and I like this thread. That comic was great and I agree with Crisalide about the boob comment thing being funny. I started developing a chest earlier than my friends too but instead of poking at them I swear I just completely ignored them. I don't know if I was in denial or what or thought it was just because I was a little chubby but I literally did not acknowledge their presence until my mom told me I should start wearing a bra - then I was like "Bra?!? But that requires boobs!! There are no boobs here bras are for girls - so in conclusion, no." (Not a real quote.)

    I also really like the examples Crisalide gave. They definitely make me feel better. As is, I'm super protective of my masculinity but I feel like if I were to transition and pass as male I would want to try drag which caused me to doubt (not that I don't still doubt - it stills says "lesbian" for my sexual orientation because I'm scared to change it even though the site is anonymous).

    So basically I didn't add anything useful to this at all except share some of my experience and I'm feeling super awkward about posting this but I still wanted to because I felt like sharing and I don't have any trans friends.

    I guess if I have anything to add to this thread it's that a lot of trans people doubt that you're not alone in your feelings (I feel like I write this anytime I reply to a thread in the "Gender Identity and Expression" section but it's true).

    Honestly I just relate to so many of the posts in this section.
     
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    When you say you were the most authentic in elementary what does that mean exactly? If you could be like that again do you think you would? Would the trans feelings and questioning go away?
     
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    I read and I don't understand... what does it mean to you to be trans? Does it mean to feel masculine? Or does it mean to transition all the way? I guess when it comes to skirts and other articles of clothing, the anwser will be slightly different depending on how you define trans.

    But when it comes to nice smells, or not knowing as a kid, or collecting purses (socially abailable hobby), there are a lot of transgender people either way that are like that too. There are men (cis, trans) who like their surroundings to look nice and neat, who cook, and the similar, nothing abnormal about it. I have fairly masculine cis male friends with whom I talk about clothes or food, nothing abnormal about it.

    Pro tip: if you want to feel more masculine about home decorating, try assembling IKEA furniture xD or doing some other DIY. although, to be honest, it is more of an "engineer brain" thing than a man thing, in my opinion.
     
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    I know straight cis guys who do things like watch Ru Pauls Drag Race, put beauty masks on, cry at sad movies, wear lip balm etc.
    And I know other straight cis guys who would NEVER do anything that could even remotely be seen as feminine.

    I think its a difference between being masculine and being comfortable with your masculinity.
    Though, It must be very hard to be comfortable with your masculinity when you are just begining to explore that side of you, when you have been made to suppress it for so long.
    I guess it just comes with experience and time. Not a very helpful thing to say now though, I imagine.
     
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    It means that there are signs dating back for half my life indicating that i think i physically should have been born a boy, but yet at the same time an absence of expected others. Like i've heard many say they hated their breasts from the get go. I didn't hate mine, i just didn't really care for them or understand why they were there.

    TYSM for this <3 Even as a trans person its hard to separate gender expected behavior and gender identity. Even if i don't support gendered toys and play for kids. Its just...surprising but also not surprising that i was able to suppress something like this. But i think even I tend to gloss over what went on when i was a tween/teen and how much it affected me even if at the time i thought i just got used to it.
     
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    But how do you feel? Now? This is what matters. If you've been feeling consistently more or less the same over the last couple of years, then that's fine. Our self-understending develops with time and you don't have to understand everything from the beginning. As children, we learn, that's normal. Also, different things will be important for different people. Simply because everyone is a different person and will have their own unique experiences, story, feelings and so forth, so for one person the chest will be important, and for another just "meh". Or insert anything else in that place.
     
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    I'm gonna edit this and be blunt but your not helping. I doubt myself because i'm not like the kids they parade around on tv that just always knew. And it hasn't been years that i have even identified as trans its only been for about a year. I literally grew up knowing nothing. I just kept my head down and tried to stay out of my mom's way and keep alert cause i felt like i had to protect myself, my parents, and my younger siblings from being found out about and tracked down by some dangerous person i'd never met. As a tween/teen i had other things on my mind, i never really got a chance to be a teenager really. So often i wonder if i would have still gone through the 'i like girls' and 'oh hey am i boy' thing if nothing had ever happened - if i had a normal mom and a normal life. Or if i am just confused because of all that shit, mentally ill like they all say and some therapy for that will make all this go away.

    I came on here originally to figure out my sexuality and as i read about people's stories being trans, i identified with them and started to consider odd things i'd noted but, as is my coping mechanism, reasoned away and brushed off and labelled as inappropriate because that's what mom would say and mother is basically god. Ever since then, ever since i got on here and started reading and questioning, i've felt the same, the only real change is that instead of feeling wrong in general like i did my whole life and could identify and put a finger on, the wrong-ness has an identifiable source. To put it simply, not being able to wear my binder for whatever reason for an extended period of time like several days in a row is bothersome whereas before i didn't know why i always felt wrong and couldn't stand to see myself in the mirror. I experience gender euphoria moreso than dysphoria but i think its because i just got used to feeling like shit all the time.
     
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    But... who IS like the kids on the TV?

    If it's been a year, then wait and it will settle in time and you will gain more insight and confidence. I felt like that too for some time, but time and calm observation is the best solution to this problem.

    It's understandable if your mom is so overbearing. Look, my mom is so overworried too. I know what it's like. It's hard to just be yourself and have fun and be a teenager and explore growing up like that. But thank God we have the freedom a bit later and you're not alone. People have all kinds of difficulties like that. Some people have family problems, some have financial problems growing up, health problems, or simply make mistakes. It's normal. It's okay. It's also normal for children to glorify their parents like that and believe them about anything. Adults see parents as human beings with their strangths and weaknesses.

    I have no clue what this abstract dyshporia that everyone is talking about is. So don't ask me about that.
     
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    @emerry Yeah, I think dysphoria isn't a very helpful word. I think dysphoria basically means discomfort. "I feel discomfort." "I'm uncomfortable with my gender appearance." Dysphoria as a word can kind of make more of a mess of something already confusing. That word wasn't even a thing for me when I first started questioning why I was different.
     
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    I can kind of relate. I'm a male but I have dysphoria for my gender and I only became aware of it like 8 months ago AND I have OCD so you can kind of see how that's a mess. How my brain works is that if there isnt a problem in my life, I get intense anxiety for some reason, so mind makes problems up just to cope with it. The thing about my dysphoria though, is that I didn't want it to occur, like all the other problems my mind makes up. its really hard to tell if this is just OCD or not, but I can only play the waiting game to see what happens and that's all you can do too. I know it sucks to have to not have an answer, but you just have to be patient. If it helps, I was told that anxiety about not being valid in your dysphoric ideations is a normal symptom of dysphoria, that helped me anyway. I hope you can find peace with this, I know how terrible it is to be caught up in all the chaos of uncertainty, but you just have to be patient. I wish I could give more.