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I am afraid of having sex

Discussion in 'Physical & Sexual Health' started by Jerrylee, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. Jerrylee

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    I really afraid of having sex unsafely because I don't want to get broken once I get those disease

    So I want to know is the followings are safe? or correct?

    1. Kissing
    I know that normally kissing is safe. But if we got wound inside our mouth, it will be unsafe. Not only sex disease can transfer thru kissing but also hepatitis B and Tuberculosis...

    2. Anal
    Using condom also does not 100% protect yourself. STD could be transferred even if we use condom.

    3. BJ
    Same as kissing. Some disease will transfer when we doing BJ if we had wound inside mouth.

    So to protect myself, I should not do kissing, anal, bj with strangers, right? Then, a handjob is the only thing allowed?

    I am lack of experience so the questions may sound stupid. I am really afraid of having sex.....
    Thanks for taking time reading my post.
     
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    Generally speaking, the only way to protective yourself is to not have sex, period.

    But when you do, always use a condom (especially hookups). You could go even further by using a condom for oral sex.

    Anytime you do anything with a stranger, there is a potential to catch an STD or HIV. The chances are significantly lower when you use protection.

    The best way to protect yourself, in addition to condoms, is to only meet people that you are comfortable with, or not have sex at all. Handjobs are pretty safe, since you’re only using your hand(s).
     
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    Thank you for replying, Jax. Now I know that not to have sex is better way.
    What about doing handjob with others without a condom? like only jerk each other but no kissing, no oral sex, no anal.
     
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    Jerrylee, thank you for starting this thread. Yes, what you wrote puts me off guys too. And my concerns are maybe more than yours:

    1. Kissing - there are many things that can be passed on in kissing - bacterias and viruses like herpes, syphillus, gonorrhea, mono, TB, plus what you said. Where has the guy been before with his tongue? I hear that some men like doing analingus...Those men then kiss those they do the analingus to...

    2. Anal - of course there are again many thing that can be caught here as you have pointed out, and condoms can break... But in addition to your concerns I hear that many men like to insert their finger first. Do they then wash their hands before continuing? I doubt that they do. I doubt that they wear a disposable glove and then take it off carefully by turning it inside out. I don't want a finger that has been inside me then touching me or the bedding... I don't want a guy attempting to put his finger into me anyway...

    3. Blow jobs / oral sex - most guys are ignorant of the risks involved. So, condoms should be used. But how many of the guys out there used condoms for oral with previous guys they went with?

    I do like what Jax12, wrote, though. Because we do not want to be celibate. We don't want to limit ourselves to hand jobs. I have, though, so far not gone with any guy because of my concerns.
     
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    I don't think Jax was actually suggesting you should avoid sex altogether and we can't go through life hoping to eliminate all risks. To do so would be completely irrational and we wouldn't even get out of bed in the morning. There is absolutely no reason to not have sex if you take sensible precautions - use condoms, dental dams etc. I think that was the point Jax was making.

    Kissing is very low risk, BJ is also very low risk if you don't have open sores in your mouth, eg. mouth ulcers and anal is low risk IF you use condoms and plenty of lube.

    I am 42 years old. I have had plenty of sex and I am still fit and healthy and there's no reason why it can't be the same for you. Avoiding all sexual activity is extremely risk averse and really unnecessary.
     
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    Patrick, I agree with you about what Jax12 was and wasn't saying. As I said, I liked what he said. I like what you wrote above, too. I can't speak for Jerrylee, but I do realize that I am very risk averse and overthetop cautious when it comes to guys. But I was just telling how I am... I wasn't advising others to be as I presently am.

    By the way, I thought you would reply on this thread - and indeed reply as you did content wise. You seem to be a very nice and caring person.
     
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    Thanks for your reply.
    I only accept strictly safe sex. So I guess if I want to have sex. I will invite both parties to take the test first. and wait for the result. Otherwise, only handjob with each other will be accepted. This is in order to protect both parties.

    Hahah I feel life is so difficult because I am gay and I live with these serious principles.
     
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    That's fine, Richard - I totally understand why people feel anxious about sex and my comments were not directed at you (I think you just happened to be writing your comments at exactly the same time as me ). :slight_smile:

    We only get one body and it's natural that we wish to look after and protect it - and we absolutely should. As with most things in life, we need to try to find a healthy balance between risk and reward. I think it is possible with guys and sex, but that's not taking anything away from people who have concerns.
     
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    Thank you Patrick. The safety sex issue also related to the person you having sex. So if I can confirm the person is health. Then, it will be fine. Here comes another issue. How to confirm the person is health. I see some people will say that they have test a few months ago. But I still doubt that the result from a few months ago is still effective.

    Ahhhhh, this kind of concern makes me really hard to find the right one or the "Right Now" one.... I feel like I am crazy...
     
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    Well, you can't really know another persons sexual health and you never should go on trust alone, but that's not a reason to avoid all sex. Providing we take personal responsibility and absolutely insist on safe sex, we reduce the risks to ourselves significantly. We can't eliminate all risks, but isn't that true of many things in life? Even in our daily activities there's a certain amount of risk.
     
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    That is a good thing. I bet few do that. But I'm sure that you are aware that even in that there are holes. The window for hiv infection showing up is 3 months. So the hiv test only gives a result for a point in time 3 months back before the test was taken. So, you'd need to be with that person for another 3 months with no sex or safe sex and then have them take another hiv test 3 months later which comes up negative. And even then if the person has had sex in the last three months with someone else then he / she still may have contracted hiv and be hiv+. So, you have to but can't rely on someone's word for sure... So, still risk... And obviously it's not just hiv. And hiv isn't the only thing of course that a lying partner may bring to you...
     
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    Kissing is safe. Even if you have an ulcer, the chances of you getting ANY STI is so low you have a better chance and winning the lottery. Seriously, kissing is fine. Hep B is also an easy 3 shots that will prevent you from getting it ever. Tuberculosis is spread by sneezing, coughing etc. so kissing is not even the main way that its spread. Its also not an easy illness to catch so nothing to really worry about.

    If you use a condom correctly, the chances of something happening is sooooo slim. Of course things could happen, but if you use a condom properly (watch a video on pornhub if you need to learn how to put one on) you should be fine. Like really fine.

    BJs are riskier than kissing and they are not in the same level. The most common STIs through Bjs are gonorrhea, chlamydia and syphilis. While theoretically you could get HIV through BJ, its so uncommon that in must studies done in couples where one partner has HIV and the other one doesn't' BJs didn't transmit the virus once.

    So they are safer than you think, but you should be more choosy with this one. If you use a flavor condom it will take the risks WAY down to a level that you shouldn't worry about STI if you use a condom.


    While you should always have safer sex, STI are not as contagious as you might think. Its not a guarantee that if you have unprotected sex with someone who has gonorrhea that you will get it, but your chances do go up compared to safer sex practices.

    If it makes you feel any better, I have probably given unprotected Bjs to around 60-100 guys. Some who I knew and some who I barely saw their faces. I got syphilis once after years of risky behavior. Am I saying you should be like me? If you don't enjoy it, hell no. But what I am saying is that this fear that you are having is blown out of proportion a bit.

    If you use protection you will be fine.
     
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    As with anything in life there are risks, nothing is 100% safe. My plan, if I ever get to meet anyone gay, is to get to know them before engaging in sex. Kissing isn’t a worry as I kissed many women without worry or disease, men shouldn’t be any different. I’ve not had unprotected sex with a woman, and no contact with a man- I’m sure I’m disease free, but if a guy asked me to be tested, I wouldn’t have a problem- I would expect the same for him. Once there was trust and a connection, I would move forward- I wouldn’t ever have unprotected sex and I’m not going to worry about the slim chances of disease after I’ve taken reasonable precautions. No need to scrub in and glove up like a surgeon for a hand job... for oral or anal I want to know the person a little bit before taking that step.
     
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    This isn't reliable. There's a window period of at least 3 weeks, and for some people it can be 60 days where one can be HIV+ and not test positive on the most commonly used HIV tests. So unless someone is tested, has no contact with anyone else for 60 days, and you can absolutely, positively, without a doubt know they haven't been with anyone else (which you could only do by locking them up 24/7), then there's no way to ensure that someone is safe.

    But life itself is a risk. There are poisonous bugs, snakes etc. People get hit by cars. People get hit by lightning when in their bathtubs (no joke, someone actually measures the frequency of this). There are life-threatening illnesses that one can get by breathing polluted or bacterial-contaminated air. We can't avoid all risk. And so you can either live your life in constant fear that something bad is going to happen, and lock yourself up in a secure place and never come out, which is a pretty miserable existence, or you can work to address the anxiety you have so that you can reasonably manage it, and learn to tolerate some level of risk.

    If one uses condoms and safer sex practices, if both parties are tested regularly, and if the person you are with is reasonably trustworthy, with all of those in place, then the risk of getting an STI is extremely low. My suggestion to you would be that you consider seeing a therapist to work through the anxiety issues, as I suspect it isn't just limited to concerns about STIs.
     
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    Chip, that window is 3 months for HIV not 3 weeks. It is important that you correct your reply above.
     
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    If you look, I said 3 weeks to 60 days. If you use the PCR test, which is looking for virus rather than antibodies to virus, it is about 99% accurate at 17 days. But it is not commonly used because it is expensive. About 98% of people develop antibodies by the 60 day mark. (It's about 95% at the 30day mark) The last 2% has in extreme cases taken up to a year.
     
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    Chip, I know that new HIV tests continue to come along, but a negative test result after 6 weeks post incident is not definitive. Yes, that negative result will likely be so in the end if the six week result is negative, but another negative test result 3 months post incident is currently needed to be definitive.

    http://www.aidsmap.com/page/1322978/
     
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    So your post encouraged me to check with the CDC, and indeed, the recommendation is 90 days if one is using the least expensive (antibody) tests via the least reliable test methodology (saliva or finger prick.)

    That said, the accuracy at 60 days for the antibody test is about 98%, and at 90 days about 99%, so 1% accuracy difference, which I didn't consider particularly concerning, and that's why I suggested 60 days instead of 90. Additionally, the 4th generation test is considered accurate at 42 days, and the NAT, the newest, (of which PCR is a subset) is accurate at between 7 and 28 days.

    But to make this even more complicated, all of these numbers are "averages", and outliers can take up to a year, and in a handful of reported cases, up to 3 years. So "accurate" is a loose term, and, really, nothing is "definitive" if we're talking about outliers, and 90 days is only 1% more "definitive" than 60 days.

    That said, I stand by my original comments. If that additional 1% is important, and one is only using the least expensive and least reliable test (saliva or finger-prick instant-result antibody test), then 90 days makes sense.

    ... and we're getting way off of the original topic.
     
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    You’re spot on for what I was trying to say; just take the necessary precautions to protect yourself when you decide to sleep with someone.

    The fear behind STI/HIV is a reasonable fear, and in fact it’s slmething I struggle with as well. Can’t remember where I read this, but catching and STI/HIV is like driving; you can’t predict when you will get into a car accident, like if someone rear ends you, but you could wear a seatbelt and get T-Boned and there was nothing you could do to avoid it.

    To OP, life is about risk. Just know that there are resources out there to assist you if you needed it. One of the best ways to protect yourself is education behind STI/HIV, and trust that while you cannot control the actions of others, you very well have power over what you decide to do.
     
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    Just something that we all missed here. It might be purely down to English not being your first language; but you'd not be broken if you did get a STD/STI, even an incurable one that you had to live with. Nobody is broken as a result of having had or having an STD/STI. They might think they are broken, but they are not.