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When will there be gene therapy for this?

Discussion in 'General Support and Advice' started by martialmaster, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. martialmaster

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    I'd make a much better straight guy. I don't want to be gay. Surely there will be gene therapy at some point in the future?
     
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    I'm pretty sure that gene therapy is before conception using a petri dish. Therefore it would be up to the parents to decide the sexuality. So it wouldn't be the individuals choice. People are also becoming more accepting of homosexuality, so less parents in the future will be likely to choose it.
     
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    There are (at least) three problems with this theory :
    - 1° As pointed above, since the hypothetical genetic factors would seem to influence the brain's hardwiring during pregnancy, the modification would have to happen in a laboratory and be followed by an in-vitro fertilization. And even if we found a "gay gene", even if we had gene therapy (which would be awesome for other things that are actual life threatening illnesses), it'd be unlikely to influence your brain's current wiring since sexual orientation seems to be pretty deeply implemented up there (otherwise, conversion therapy would have a much higher success rate) and it seems to have been for a while
    - 2° Your theory is too simple. It's just a switch situation where you've got this gene that straightforwardly "solves" everything. It's a cool situation for an 11th grade biology exercise on the influence of genotype on molecular/cellular/macroscopic phenotype but I don't think a "gay gene" would behave that easily. Since it's likely that sexual orientation is both brain hardwiring and environmental factors during the person's early life, the only thing your "treatment" would do, assuming it works, is mess up the wiring and not the environmental factors, with the subject still potentially feeling same sex attraction.
    - 3° Do you imagine if a company created a product you could give to your kids to not have them turn out gay/bi/pan later? They'd become multimillionaires, and the backlash would certainly be impressive. I kinda wanna see it happen just for the social experiment aspect of it.

    There's also a lot about the fact that we'd have to understand the brain better, perfect our understanding of the development of sexual orientation, and so on. It'll most likely take a couple semi-centuries for that to happen. That said, if you do find a method to be straight that's not ridiculously unpractical (like that gene therapy theory) or dangerous (conversion therapy), tell us please.

    Ah, and maybe you wanna work on your internalized homophobia because it's clear you have pretty big resentments regarding same sex attraction.

    Toodles.
     
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    I think the better question here is whether or not you actually don't want to be gay, or society has told you that you should not want to be gay because Western society is the most self-hating and perverted thing to happen since the medieval dark ages. I honestly do not understand how society can continuously devolve even with the advances of science and the work of philosophers, poets, artists, and novelists to correct damaging societal norms... But somehow it still happened so idk. Sorry this comment was supposed to be helpful before I got sidetracked.
     
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    So essentially we'd need some sort of gene changing then neuro surgery to rewire it?

    Why don't I want to be gay? Because I'm thirty years old and have spent most of my life thinking I'd settle down with a woman after sowing my wild oats. I've slept around with women, have enjoyed it, but was always aware there was something stopping me from truly being straight. I never had the ability to actually make proper relationship bonds in the way I feel my brain makes me feel about men. It's ruined the way I think about a lot of friendships. I'll never get the comfortable wife and kids relationship, I most certainly could have if I was just a little bit more straight.

    I've had a lot of good "platonic" friendships which I now realize my stupid gay brain wanted more than just friendship. I feel cheated and now stay away from a lot of friends because of the fact I'm conning myself. The friendship was based on different things than I had first conceptualized.

    I've got to come out to everyone. I have to wreck an image people had of me. I have to tell women that I was involved with and shared a bed with that whilst I was able to get an erection with ease, apparently it was all fugazi. Meanwhile any of the people in my childhood/teenage years who suspected it get the satisfaction of me verifying it.

    Well I find men very attractive, but I'm really not happy with the thought of having sex with one. I find that physical "jolt" when I see an attractive man (all the time now), but try and watch gay porn I feel incredibly uncomfortable and don't have an erection. I know I'm aroused internally by men but it doesn't physically manifest when I try to imagine it or look at gay porn.

    Women are better. I still get an erection watching lesbian and straight porn, yet I know that men have more impact on me. I don't want this.

    I also don't want the fact I feel submissive. I don't want to be anyone's bitch. I want to be a beast.

    The gay lifestyle isn't what I want. From everything that I've heard, read and understood it's far harder to maintain a relationship as a gay man. Then even those that end up married have these silly open relationships. I've got a real sense of nihilism from realizing I'm gay. I've got nothing to work towards. I have to throw energy into a career at some point, but then what do I do if I end up making money? Share it with some other dickhead even though we're probably going to be fucking other dudes behind each other's back.

    I want to keep my asshole for shitting out of.

    Also, I want the spatial awareness of a straight man. I realize that this is something I'm lacking that comes from the gay brain.

    Frankly, I feel like I've lived the best part of my life. Either they find a way for those that want to change orientation to do so or let me die in my sleep. It's bullshit that there's no choice in the matter. Fuck the universe for putting me in this position.

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    And gene therapy - CRISPR/CAS 9 for certain things can be conducted whilst the subect is still alive.
     
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    You masturbate, right? Doing it alone with no porn just your imagination, which do you find it easier to get off to - a woman or a man? And with regards to penetration you don't have to like it. You can be gay and get off to something else. So yeah i advise the masturbation test if you're still questioning, like your status says.

    Also, idk what your rights are in London but i know in the US we can have same sex marriage and (unless your in texas where it gets complicated) you can adopt a child. I read an article a while back about a gay couple using a surrogate to have a child. So there's options out there, and as time passes there will be more rights and more options. So while if you are gay you're traditional wife and kids lifestyle is a no-go, its not the end of the world. Figure yourself out and think about what really means a lot to you (like, what do you most want to get out of your life in your next 30 years), and then start asking yourself what it would take for you to get there. You can get through this.
     
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    I find it very easy to get an erection thinking about past sexual encounters, or thinking about having sex with a woman, but I think there's something different from me enjoying the woman - it's an enjoyment of a projection of myself? I find it hard to explain. I find thinking about men can trigger my brain's pleasure zones in ways i can't with a woman. I have to try and really relax to get anything from thinking about men erection wise. I can feel movement in my groin if I see a man in real life taking his clothes off or having a "buff" shape, less so with women but even a kiss on a cheek from a woman can have my erection brewing.

    London has gay marraige, but gay marraiges work out a lot worse on average than straight ones.