LGBT News Black Lives Matter disrupt Toronto Pride

Yes, and as I stated twice, the second time more explictly in response to critique of the first time, this is to do with my personal comfort zone, not about my political will - on that matter, I have little will in this case. I tend to withhold opinion on matters of which I cannot honestly call myself informed. As I know little of 'police at Pride events' (it's a pretty particular topic after all) I largely withhold comment (preferring to discuss tangent topics).

 

Banning police from Pride is unfair. Some of them are LGBT themselves, and I heard a lot of them volunteer to be on duty for the parade. Plus there was this cute video of this policeman proposing to his boyfriend at London Pride just one or two weeks ago. And I heard there was another policeman who proposed to his boyfriend at the same pride as well.

If the police are there because they're LGBT themselves, or they're allies, than why should they be excluded? They're there to provide security, because regrettably there are still homophobes out there who might take this oppurtunity to be dickheads, so isn't it important that we're protected? Plus it shows that the police accepts LGBT, which can be comforting to some people.

 

And I can agree with what you said. Sorry if I put words in your mouth, because that's not what I tried to do. And to echo what burai said, I think this may have been a little bit of a misunderstanding.

I just think we're being a little too hostile to police officers. I think we really should be trying to understand why the protesters at Toronto Pride wanted demands that included removing police floats, when it seems not only mean to the police, but it is also very counter-productive. That's just how I see it.

 

Wow.

This is really dumb. The BLM is good is most cases, but honestly, at this point, they need to realize that the LGBTQ+ community isn't their enemy. Like Kira said, why can't they protest somewhere where racism is a larger issue, say a Trump rally or something along those lines. They are creating an enemy where there is none.

 

Not Black ASL. Just ASL.

Intersectionality matters. This is Toronto, there are over 500 languages spoken in this city. Not having representation at an event like Pride is a problem, and it is important. It was brought up before, in closed meetings and email, so it wasn't "0 to sit-in". Booths that had a place in the past, lost their space, and groups lost representation. Also... Tokyo Pride has several white and foreigner specific booths. And they have a far lower population of white and foreign people compared to Toronto.

Racism is genuine oppression. I know we all like to pretend it only exists in America, but it is still an issue in Canada too.

As to the "in-fighting", I don't feel that way but I won't argue it, you have a valid point.

 

And as someone else in the post has already stated, "All Lives Matter" is a response to Black Lives Matter. A very childish, self-centered response at that. Do you go to an AIDS rally and shout "All Diseases Matter?" Do you look at a burning house and say "All Houses Matter?" People have this habit of getting in their feelings when, for once, something doesn't involve them.

 

If All Lives Mattered why is there homelessness, poverty, death sentences, debt,etc? What about the many animals slaughtered for food? All Lives Matter is a naïve statement very few people really live by if at all.

That said BLM, may have started out to combat police brutality but that still affects other races too. I believe more white people get shot by cops than any one else which shouldn't be surprising given the population. Again, disrupting PRIDE is just them crying about who's more oppressed imho. Why can't we help each other?

 

If the movement didn't work with the organisers before the event begun, then their disruption is petty and self-centred. If they did, they still went too far. The rhetoric really matters. Instead of truthfully saying "we don't think this event accommodates black (though I don't see how deafness comes under the ambit of the black lives matter movement) people as much as we would wish", they have more or less said "this event is actively racist and oppressive". The two are very different things. It's deliberately combative and not designed to be productive, as too many protests are. It's designed to be divisive and uses language of combat rather than civil discourse. I'm not particularly comfortable with that militant approach, especially over what at worst was a planning oversight.

And the opposition to police presence is ridiculous for three reasons. The first is that the police are there for protection, which all large events like this must have. The second is that fostering a good relationship between the LGBT community and the police as an institution leads to more effective and considerate police and better law and justice outcomes for queer people thanks to an increased trust and perception of approachability. The third is that many police are LGBT or just enjoy a good festival and it's ridiculous to paint them as malicious tools of an oppressive state; that's certainly not the case in Canada and it fruitlessly alienates the police.

 

MRA's don't consist of only men. The honeybadgerradio on youtube consists of some women such as Karen straughan. This stigma they get of just neckbeards complaining needs to die. Men do face issues such as being on the bad end of child custody, being more likely to get killed, and getting locked up more than women for the same crimes. There is a place for MRA's such as there is a place for feminists don't agree with demonizing either movement as long as they stand for a solid cause.

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I don't even agree with disrupting a Trump rally as many are saying. Listen to what they have to say and then debate them. With problems amongst the legal system, go to the Council? Drill it into lawmakers heads and keep it a relevant topic but the problem being how?

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Well TBF if human existence ended then the universe would still go on.

#Ourlivesaren'tthatimportant

:roflmao:

 

This is disgusting, technically we are on the same side, fighting for equal rights, infighting only hurts the cause and gives bigots more ammunition to be bigots, which giving the state of things, is on the rise everywhere.

 

I was going to say something witty but this post said everything needed to be said.
Not worth a serious thought, lol.

 

And now of course that the racists have come out of the "woodwork" and sent them caustic hate mail, they have the reaction they wanted, the fuel to continue to do what they do and claim the LGBT community is racist, and we've effectively gotten nowhere. Such is modern Western life.

 

I consider the BLM movement to be a radical progressive semi-hate group at it's core, so yes this is an outrage. Kinda like when they trashed my city for no damn reason, and that came out of MY TAXES. A pure outrage; go bother someone else lgbt didn't do a damn thing to them.

 

Okay, here's the deal - I fully believe that all lives matter. I believe in that PHRASE. I do not follow/belong to any movement.

In realizing that all lives matter, we recognize that to many people, minorities (like blacks) don't matter.

This is pretty much why I do not partake in movements. Unless there's a movement to make Betty White the supreme ruler of the world, I'm out. If we simply just said "All Lives Matter, treat everyone well, don't be an ass" things might work out. Sadly, it doesn't.

 

This made my day.:lol:

 

Glad it did!