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LGBT News Orlando Gunman May Have Been Gay: Self-Hatred

Discussion in 'Current Events, World News, & LGBT News' started by YeahpIdk, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. YeahpIdk

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    This Gawker article features an interview with club goers that say they saw the shooter in the club multiple times, and that he even had a gay dating profile.

    "Mateen, his father explained the next day, had repeatedly been angered by the sight of two men kissing. But according to witnesses, Mateen was also a regular at the club and exchanged messages with at least one gay man on a gay dating app."

    "“It’s the same guy,” Chris Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told the Canadian Press. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”

    Ty Smith, who also goes by the name Aries, also said he’d seen Mateen being escorted drunk from the club, Pulse, on multiple occasions.

    “(He’d get) really, really drunk... He couldn’t drink when he was at home—around his wife, or family. His father was really strict... He used to bitch about it,”"

    "“We didn’t really talk to him a lot, but I remember him saying things about his dad at times... He told us he had a wife and child.”"

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    I hate to ever think that even someone who is closeted would do something like this, because in someway it makes it seem like anyone who is insecure in their sexuality can commit something so heinous, and maybe I like to think of our community as all lovely beings - but self hatred is real. If we want to discuss religion at all, maybe this is the place to do it, because where does society shove anti-LGBTQ+ ideals down our throat from? This community, though it is undoubtedly getting better, has been 'othered' for many, many centuries now.

    We need to find a way to spread love and be entirely intolerant to anyone who tries to do otherwise. That's something I want to work on, but I'm not sure how to.

    One of my larger points is, I'm surprisingly NOT surprised by this - and that bothers me.
     
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    Oh my. o.o
     
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    That's exactly what my sister-in-law said. She said yesterday she believes he's gay and closeted and is just struggling with his sexual orientation because Muslims have a harder time accepting LGBT people. She actually has a gay cousin (in a relationship and engaged) that is gay and from a Muslim family.
     
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    Who'd have thought that self-hatred would've gone this far...
     
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    I can't say I'm surprised, and that upsets me a bit....was he jealous that those other men had something he did not, and couldn't at that time, have perhaps?
     
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    Re: Mass Shooting at Orlando Gay Nightclub

    Yeah. I wrote something but staff felt the need to merge these two threads, which makes no sense to me, but whatever. I'm not retyping.
     
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    Apologies peeps. This thread accidentally got merged alongside a couple of others, but it should be restored to normal now.

    If any posts are missing then please let us know and we can get it moved into here.
     
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    It would pain me to know it were true. I'd hate to deal with the knowledge that defensive homophobia had a part to play in this.

    Our visibility needs to provide other people with safety.
     
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    I'm not at all surprised. My personal experience is that people who in general obsess about gays (either in positive or negative manner) are not entirely straight.

    Though I guess it could be possible that he went there before to plan for the attacks but if he had a dating profile and he went there for years that kind of undermines that hypothesis. In either case his local mosque has history of preaching death to gays so I find his imam's comments and condolences hypocritical.
     
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    It's very convinient to twist things this way. How dumb could people be to believe that? Official info is that he was married(to a woman, no kidding!), he did travel to the Middle East(twice!) for hajj and he was checked few times for connections with islamic extremists. It is the islamic holy month now, so how many coincidences does someone need to believe the obvious?

    I am again convinced on how silly(though there's another word I'd like to use) the LGBT community could be. It is so easy to blame it to internalised homophobia. Placing the blame anywhere else would just be too troublesome for the government and the citizens.
     
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    Let's see how this story develops. I don't think anyone denies that there was probably an element of religious fanaticism behind this crime. It'd be interesting if there were also other factors that led to this tragedy.

    I'm hesitant to comment on this until more facts come to light. However, the most fervent of apparent homophobes can sometimes be dealing with their own repressed sexuality. It's part of EC's job to make sure that anyone coming to us, struggling with uncertainty and self-loathing, receives accurate information and understanding support. This way our hope is that they can move forward with their lives, instead of the worst case scenario- turning to hurt themselves or others. That's one of the reasons I think this website is so important.
     
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    This doesn't actually surprise me at all. Yesterday morning when we first saw the interview with the father my husband and I turned to each other and said "how long do you think it will take for it to come out that he was a closet case?". Brings the victim total one highe in my book.
     
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    I agree. If people within the community feel that they are accepted by their loved ones they are less likely to have the kind of emotional issues that lead to self-harm or violence against another person. Us being ourselves will lessen the ignorance that allows people to be intolerant.
     
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    I dont think it justify what he did in any way. You dont go killing people for self hatered. You do it because ur messed up in the head and thats what this terrorist is.
     
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    First of all, no one is suggesting that he did it because of self-hatred although it sure was a contributing factor. It might be that if his parents were more tolerant of gays he might have chosen some other target but it is crucial to realize that (as far as I know) no other self-hating gay guy has gone to killing spree to commit extended suicide. Millions of gays live with self-hatred across the world yet they don't become mass shooters. Radical Islam is the main cause of this tragedy and no one can say otherwise.

    Second, just because a guy is married to a woman and has kids does not mean that he couldn't be gay or bi.
     
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    I'm not shocked if this is true, but I can already tell what kind of shit homophobes are going to start with this.
     
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    Could be the pressure of being of a religion that doesn't tolerate his sexuality, having a father that holds those views and leading a double life got to him? Maybe he thought he could "redeem" himself in the eyes of Allah by shooting up the club.
     
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    It's already started on other sites I post on. Or at least, some of the homophobes are claiming that the "gay agenda" tried to silence the fact that he was gay. Even though it came out yesterday, a day after the shooting, so I don't see how any "silencing" was taking place.

    That said, we don't know for sure if he was gay, but it's seeming likely. He was obviously raised by someone who rejected homosexuality (his father was quoted recently as saying "it's up to God to punish homosexuals" almost as if he considered his son's actions well-intentioned but ultimately misguided, which is hideous). It's very possible that someone could've taken self-hatred to such an extreme.
     
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    I heard that he has been checking out Disney and the Pulse