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Why is Islam considered the religon of peace?

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  1. Shadstack

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    Why is it when we see so many Islamic countries throwing LGBT people off buildings? It's bloody barbaric.

    I've heard the lines "it's not all of them" (that's obvious, I know not every Muslim goes around killing LGBT people) and "they're not real ones" (they're following the scripture) before, so save it. I know that. I'm talking about the people who throw other people off the roof for their sexual orientation.

    I just saw a tweet that Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) quoted today that got me wanting to post this.
     
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    Those are extremists, and they don't represent Islam. According to one study, less than 1% of Muslims are extremists, and that most Muslims advocate for non-violence and peace. I wanted to get that out of the way because you asked the question in title even though you said to "save it".

    The same thing can be asked of countries like Uganda, which are heavily Christian driven, where the government has been trying to make homosexuality a crime worthy of the death penalty. Let's not forget that Brazil is responsible for most of the reported murders of trans people, and the dirty history the US has with anti-LGBT antics.

    Extreme acts of bigotry towards the LGBTQ community isn't limited to Islamic nations. I'm sure members here who are from the Middle East can offer their viewpoints as well, since there's quite a few.

    Found this website that's also of interest. http://islamandhomosexuality.com/
     
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    I think the closest one we have to a "Religion of peace" is Buddhism, I've never heard of Buddhist extremists, especially not advocating genocide. I personally don't agree with any religion but I feel we'd be much better off if they were "the majority" rather than the ones we're used to due to the generally more respectable scriptures.

    Hopefully that was all in the policy, had to kind of hold back a bit as usual.

    ..If they ever made a religion that outright stated "Women are just as good as men, LGBT people are just people, and the progression of science should not be halted" I might just endorse it. :redface:
     
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    Never heard of Buddhist extremists? Do some research Burma, please.
     
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    Well I was gonna comment expressing my views and thoughts but I don't want to get in trouble for it so I'm gonna bite my tongue on this one.
     
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    All three major religions have advocated warfare and condemned gay people in one way or another., whether through their sacred texts or their practices, or both. That said, I wouldn't jump and call Islam the religion of peace, since it is an honorary title that would, by default, also belong to Judaism and Christianity; to use a current events analogy, it has as much weight as the honorary doctorates many universities throw around this time of year. I think it is a relatively hollow term that could be applied to Christianity and Judaism (and Buddhism... and x religion).
     
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    Politicians use the phrase "religion of peace" because they don't want the general public to retaliate against muslims like a bunch of hate mob.
    It's patronizing.
     
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    Huh, I stand corrected. Haven't exactly looked for it, but I guess it just happens to any big religion, figured at least one was free from that.
     
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    Its about regions of the world not religion.

    It just so happens that many countries in middle east happen to be Islamic.

    Its not as if Christianity has some sort of moral high ground when it comes to LGBT people.
     
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    ---------- Post added 8th May 2016 at 02:51 AM ----------

    Anyway to reply to the topic. Islam is considered the religion of peace? I have not heard that one before. However, people committing atrocious acts are extremists. Sure, the Quran has fucked up stuff in it, but so does the Bible. Most Muslims are peaceful. This is evident from the large Muslim population in the west that isn't supporting violence or terrorism. Simple logic.
     
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    To be fair over 95% Muslims disagree with homosexuality
     
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    I don't think you could call any religion a religion of peace. They all have blood on their hands.
     
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    I agree with Reza Aslan, a former Christian, now Muslim, and an American scholar (professor of religion) when he said that Islam, nor any religion, is neither inherently peaceful or violent. It's just a set of symbols and metaphors that people may take a fancy to in their quest to find truth about the world. Whether the people following a religion are good or not isn't strictly dependent on the religion, but on their character, as fostered by the conditions of their environment, of which religion is only a small part.

    @SillyGoose First, I don't like numbers used without a source very much. Second, I don't think e.g. Christianity is much better when it comes to that. And when I say Christianity, I don't mean, like, only like the US and Britain, but all of the Christian countries, like e.g. Brazil.

    I would also like to add that there was a time when the Islamic demographic was also the one foremost in e.g. math and science, but that the Christian crusades did their best to reverse this fact, and succeeded well. Islam isn't to blame for the actions of individual Muslims. That isn't to say that there are aspects of any religion that aren't well to question and criticize, but, and I don't want to sound condescending, please do so in a constructive, civilized way.

    To judge an entire group by the actions of a few is simple-minded and childish.
     
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    I think thankfully most Muslims don't follow the Quran to the letter/there is at least some severance there.

    As such Muslims can be peaceful, and modern Islam can be peaceful.

    When you look at the Quran/Muhammed though - incredibly violent, with Muhammed being absolutely brutal at times (revenge, murder, torture, quelling uprisings etc). He was no Buddha that is for sure. Therefore I think those who do idolise Muhammed completely are either pretty violent or are interpreting him in a non-violent manner (i.e. ignoring the Quran and reinterpreting the figure based on what they want him to symbolise).
     
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    It's not very clear if you're saying that I'm right in what I said, or that you still disagree with me. Which is it?

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    This.

    Along with that, I'm a bit sick and tired of arguing about religion on here. Why does it come so often? I mean, I would mind once in awhile, but it seems to be one of the main topics here, ALOT. Especially Islam, my religion-that-I'm-still-sort-of-part-of-in-some-ways-but-in-other-ways-I'm-not. I have a lot to say about, but I don't know how to organize my thoughts in such a short period of time, and I don't want to get misunderstood and make people who don't know as much about the religion as I do, think I'm a terrorist or something, and at the same time I don't want misinformation to spread and then the whole discussion makes no sense, I'll like it's my fault, because I knew the facts, and I didn't share them when I could have. But with that, I have the risk of sounding like a know-it-all, or smart-aleck, which I am not.

    [well, for someone who said they wouldn't say anything, I've said quite a lot...almost turned into a rant there. LOL]

    Also, I kind off have to watch what I say on here now, so I don't really want to be seen arguing about hotly debated topics.

    So.....
     
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    Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't like any religion really. I'm an atheist. Just modern Christianity seems a lot more moderate than Islam.
     
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    I think we definitely need to have a serious look at the messages Islam is giving to its followers. The amount of Muslim terrorists I'm seeing at the moment makes me sceptical about what these people are actually standing for. Sure, they are not all extremists but I think that the things said in the Koran combined with the culture among them can lead to extremism within the religion and Islam does have a bigger problem with this than other religions.
     
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    No Buddhist extremists? I think a quick internet search may be required here...
     
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    It's not really being fair unless you also include the percentage of the other major world religions that feel similarly, *and* your sources.

    Personally, I strongly suspect this number is BS...except inasmuch as "over 95% of Christians disagree with homosexuality."
     
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    Since when do people give you the impression that they think it is a "religion of peace"?? It by far the most aggressively negatively stereotyped religion out there, with the stereotype specifically pertaining to jihadists.