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Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by CapColors, Apr 12, 2016.

  1. CapColors

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    Hi EC! I've missed you. I will likely be around again over the next few months and I am looking forward to reconnecting with you guys.

    Now, right to the chase:

    I'm...really pretty gay, right now I'd say I'm on the gay side of bi although of course it's hard to solidify my feelings when I've never been with a woman. I'm married with kids.

    I'm considering engaging an escort for my first same-sex experience, either for myself only (with my husband's permission) or for my husband and me to experience together. For argument's sake, let's say I'm going to do this in a place where it is legal to do so such as in parts of Nevada or another country.

    The pros are obvious: discretion, no relationship entanglements, someone who won't be shy about teaching me stuff. There are obvious cons as well.

    Has anyone had a similar experience with a sex worker? How was it? Am I crazy for thinking it is a reasonable option?
     
  2. greatwhale

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    Hi cap,

    You pose an intriguing question, and it is indeed fraught with all kinds of issues.

    I have had the kind of impersonal sex you are seeking, one-night stands, no-strings-attached, etc. (not with an escort though) and yes, it does scratch an itch, if that is all you (and possibly your husband) want, there is nothing wrong with that.

    Thing is, I don't quite remember my first same-sex experience, you'd think this would be something one never forgets...and yet, I forgot.

    It seems to me, aside from any moralistic opinions, the first time ought to be something that goes a little deeper than just sex.

    I am now in my first true same-sex relationship, I can honestly say that the sex is the best I have ever had. It is not just the mechanics, the emotional component has a tremendous influence on the quality of that experience, not to mention all the tenderness, excitement and cuddling that goes before, and after.

    Of course, it's about what you want and need, my only point is that you may not learn much about what it's like to be with someone meaningfully from hiring an escort
     
  3. CapColors

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    That is very true, but unfortunately within the confines of my marriage I cannot be meaningfully with a woman. Neither my husband nor I are comfortable dating others right now. I'm thinking of trying to start that conversation at some point but to be honest I'm don't think I will ever be willing to risk divorce for something I've never tried.

    I agree with you that it's not the same and wouldn't be complete information.
    I've always been a very relational person when it comes to sex, so the idea of casual sex has never appealed with either gender.

    I guess I'm wondering if I could blow off some steam and find out if at least the physical element is as strong in real life as I suspect it would be.
     
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    Hi Cap, I've been wondering how you are doing :slight_smile:. It's great to see you on here again.

    I have similar thoughts to Greatwhale, so I don't have much to add. But I wonder if you can get some of the physical needs met with an escort and the emotional needs met in other ways, meeting women through lesbian/bi meetups for example, and building friendships with someone or some ones whom you feel attracted to.

    It's not perfect, but I do think it's worth it to explore the whole experience, even in pieces.
     
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    I'm a pretty open person and probably about as kinky as they come and I just don't think that would be the kind of lesbian experience that would work for me. I think you'll find that sex with a woman is differnt than sex with a man. When you're having sex with a man it is very much more a mechanical thing. But with lesbians its more of an intimate experience. By doing what you are suggesting you would basically be reducing it to a mechanical feeling. After that kind of experience I would think I was straight too. If that is your goal than more power to you but you'd be missing what really makes a lesbian experience much better than an experience with a man.

    Now, I'm certain to be blasted by all men out there. :slight_smile:

    I'm pretty easy when it comes to sex and I could proably have no problem with a casual encounter but for me if you take away the intimacy and the thrill of the chase you're left with a pretty flat experience. Lesbian sex is SOOOO much better in my opinion but you're taking away those things that make it so much better.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes.
     
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    Fair enough! Fair enough. :slight_smile: I will keep your thoughts in mind. I have no doubt lesbian sex is awesome. :icon_bigg As with everything, I think it depends a lot on the partner.

    In this case, I think it would depend on the sex worker. Someone down to earth with a sense of humor could probably make things seem relatively normal. My guess is a worker willing to take on a female as the main client would understand that it couldn't be wham bam thank you ma'am but perhaps I'm way too naive in this regard.

    Happily, for me sex with my husband is >>> mechanical. One way that I know I'm not a 6 in the Kinsey realm is that I like it so much still. (I'm guessing 4 or 5.) It helps that I married a dude that's really into my pleasure and good at the most essential aspects of the act.

    I think part of the appeal of a threesome to me is that I think I'd like a stable triad relationship. Hard to know, but that is almost certainly off the table, 2016 being what it is and fidelity still being conventionally defined as two people.

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    Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. I KNOW it's a possible land mine but my other three options are 1) wait until my urges go away (like in death or something?! They've not faded at all since i came out to myself) 2) have an affair ( :eusa_naug ) or get a separation :eek:.

    I hate all of those options, especially since I think perhaps I'm kind of poly inclined at least sexually anyway. Damned if I know how to deal with it all.

    Bricolage may be the only thing to try.
     
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    This solution might just be a "for now" solution, and if you are poly inclined, perhaps a lot of reading and talking with your husband about the different types of poly relationships might lead him to being open to it. Then you could have both the meaningful feelings and the sex in one person :slight_smile:. There's a lot of ifs in there, but it's possible.

    Do you think your husband would be open to something like that in the future?
     
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    I don't think so, but so far he's really surprised me in a good way during this process, so I'm not ruling anything out. It's not something I'm willing to risk while my kids are so young and my job situation is up in the air (I'm still in school). But down the road I might be willing to float it. At this point an escort would be a stretch but if framed as a "one time" thing I could probably make it happen.

    I have both the incredible gift and the burden of loving him a lot and being bi. It would be easier to decide what to do if I didn't love him so much or I were even gayer.
     
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    Yes, I think this exactly.
     
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    Honestly you would have to find a sex worker who is comfortable working with women and that would take a little work on your part. Why don't you start small with a lap dance at a strip club and work your way up from there. Strippers who cater to women will either approach you or you can ask a bouncer. DO NOT WEAR A SKIRT. This is new for you so it is best that you take it one step at a time. I think you under estimate how overwhelming going to a sex worker could be for you. Also, why not check out the swingers scene after the strip club?

    Edited to add: generally strippers consider it discourteous of you to wear a skirt because their body parts will be rubbing against your crotch and they generally prefer to have more fabric covering that area. But that's a generality not a rule.

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    There are as many unique lesbian sex experiences as there are snow flakes. And to say that the intimate experience is the end all be all of lesbian sex is presenting a false standard as to what the "good parts" or what "good lesbian sex" is. That is, to me, a very disappointing way of presenting it to someone who doesn't have any experience in that area yet.
     
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    A little birdie tells me that it's easy for gay guys to find sex via hookup apps. Are there similar apps for lesbians? Or is the hookup culture the result of the mechanical nature of gay sex :slight_smile:
     
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    There is some stigma in the lesbian community of being the woman that "straight girls practice on"...but even for straight couples looking for a third it is generally pretty tough compared to the gay male community.
     
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    Well, I rather thought it was on point, but I'm not the picture of lesbian experience, either. My personal experience is very intimate and emotional...and pretty dang amazing. I am thankful it was with someone I felt such a connection with.

    Now as far as trying it just once, I kind of equate that to just eating one potato chip out of the bag. It's possible, but not probable.
     
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    Wow, what a helpful response, thank you!!! I had not considered going to a strip club as I didn't know they would cater to women there. But I will definitely give that a try first. Wise.

    Yes, I would try my best to find a worker that was interested in women and had worked with them before. I have a friend who used to be an escort so I was thinking of starting there.

    I was floating this here first as it is understandably awkward to be like, "Friend I know in a professional context unrelated to sex work, can you get me laid?" Heh. :icon_redf

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    Yes, there totally are. I've been on one as someone looking for friends only. But I would feel very strange about asking someone to be my first with no strings attached as I doubt I will be any good at first! And I can't offer any emotional compensation for my lack of experience because it would just be a one time thing.

    I don't see what would be in it for them, really. Maybe if I were amazingly attractive, but I'm pretty average and average at 37 isn't all that impressive in a city full of 20 year old cuties. :grin:

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    Yeah, I wouldn't feel comfortable asking a woman to be my practice or my third unless we were already friends.

    It's funny because I might actually be into both of those things (being straight girl practice or a third) if I were free to do so. I'm pretty sure that if my marriage ever goes away I will spend some time as a "unicorn". From my perspective it has plusses. The guy's already been housebroken, heh. :grin:
     
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    Well, certainly not going to get blasted by all the men( by the way, are we still doing 'phrasing') but you've got it all backwards. It's sex with a woman that is mechanical and sex with a man that's better. :lol:

    Joking aside, I know I had this same thought as I was coming out, and while I was still married. But I'm with you, I think that experimenting with a professional might miss out on key parts of the experience and also very likely not tell you too much about your sexuality. Having sex with a guy I'd just met told me so much less about my sexuality than kissing a guy I liked did.
     
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    I appreciated both perspectives. I would love to have had a super intimate lesbian experience in my life but right now it's not on the table.

    And to be honest it's not the only thing I'm interested in. I find women more attractive than I find men right now, so I'm pretty interested even in relatively casual sex. I never had the same feeling about men, whether it's because I'm super faithful, pretty gay, or a bit wary of casual sex with men, who knows. :slight_smile:

    And you may be right about the potato chip thing, of course!

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    Fair enough! And I generally think that's probably true. But if that's not possible, then I'm looking for alternatives.
     
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    I was thinking about this too, something about making out with a woman is the thing I'm looking forward to more than anything. I want to feel the anticipation, the buildup, the kiss.

    Do you think you'd be able to get away with kissing a girl you've started to feel attracted to vs the one time escort idea? Or maybe it's the sex you really want more than anything, and in that case, the kissing limitation might be super frustrating.
     
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    CyclingFan is spot on. This was my experience as well.

    Perhaps you're looking for a FWB?

    Having said that, there's still value in hooking up to get comfortable with another woman.

    At some level you have to decide if you want a single or homerun first time at bat.
     
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    Hey Cap! Welcome back! I joined not long before your break and found your posts really resonated with me---helped me feel less alone in my mess.

    One thing I remember is that you seemed to have a pretty great imagination... Are you sure you need to have a "less than" experience to know your true desires? I suspect I'd feel less fear about how everything works after an experience like this (which is sort of nuts, because the mechanics of sex with a woman is something I've given a *lot* of thought), but that it would only serve to make my true desires STRONGER.

    I also wonder what happens if you imagine a similar experience with a man. If I try to compare sex with my husband (swoon), to sex with a super hot and talented escort... Well... The escort sex still feels lackluster. Sort of like eating a handful of stale packaged cookies, vs one perfect macaron. I've been known to eat stale cookies, but I always regret the empty calories.
     
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    At the end of the day, putting aside everyones opinions on what they think, there is only one way for you to figure out if it makes sense, and that is to give it a try. Everyone has a different approach to their own circumstances. Your circumstances are unique to you. Only you can figure out if it works for you.

    After I came out, I was very promiscuous. It is what I needed to do to figure things out for myself. Did others criticize me, of course. Does it matter, absolutely not. I was on the journey I was on and, with all the various directions I went, I have gotten to a great place. I look back and am proud of what I have accomplished and how I accomplished it.

    Take the road that works for you. You know whats best for yourself.

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    ...oh, and obviously, be safe and diligent - but that goes without saying.
     
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