Opinions on Hillary Clinton?

Hilary! Hilary! Hilary! (!)

 

What happened to Bernie Sanders??

 

hes doomed!!! :badgrin:

 

I think she is both of these things.

---------- Post added 7th Mar 2016 at 11:22 PM ----------

Every move with her is indeed very calculated. It's not easy when you've got Trump and Clinton to choose from. I wish there were more options, meaning completely different people from both parties.

---------- Post added 7th Mar 2016 at 11:26 PM ----------

She is tough and I expect her to win. I think that the next 4 years seem so unpredictable after this recent feel good period and return to a better baseline. You know things will also look on the "up and up" in an election year. Then, what about 2018? Or 2020? Will she be the right person for the job? I just don't know.

 

There are more options.
Most likely
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
Jill Stein (green)

Or a host of other options, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Myself, I'm leaning Gary Johnson this year. The two major parties don't have anyone I like.

 

She's clearly the establishment candidate. Just look at her biggest donors - Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley. If we elect her, we're essentially letting corporations, banks, and giant investment firms choose our next president for us. I'm not going to be part of that. The Clintons gave us DOMA and DADT. How quickly we forget those discriminatory pieces of legislation.

 

I'm so screwed if she gets into office.

 

At this point, I'm really not sure why you're endorsing her so much.

 

I don't like her but I don't dislike her either. I'm hoping for Sanders but obviously I'll be voting for Hilary to keep Cruz and Trump out of office

 

She's gonna fuck up my job if she gets into office!

 

Those were the times. How do you know that John Kerry, an earlier Dem candidate for the 2004 election, and Obama don't feel the same way? Some married politicians, even if Democrats, may not support the new law on a personal level. If Obama didn't side with same sex marriage in 2012 to differentiate himself from Romney, he could have lost the popular vote because he would have lost voters who were fairly new to voting and more progressive. In both the SCOTUS and in the Oval Office, there is some pandering and it is to advance someone's political career and to keep the peace. Some friends of mine and I discussed this: what someone tows the line on in terms of public policy and what they personally believe may be different.

I don't like Hillary very much. I think I've voiced that along the way. However, the way the situation is looking, she will probably get my vote. Generally speaking, I am not pleased with this circus.

 

Hillary Clinton is despised and has made so many enemies that I believe anything she proposes will be thwarted. If anybody thinks Congress is obstructionist now with Obama, it will be worse with her. Mid-term elections might even make things worse still.

 

This rings true. Because of her being a lawyer with excellent credentials and her being the First Lady with her finger in the pies more so than any other that preceded her, I don't think people have liked her for quite a while. I remember jokes about "Billary." Michelle Obama has done a better job of balancing what her background is and being involved to a level that is more appropriate. In fact, all this stuff is the reason I don't much care for Hillary. Her quest for power is less healthy than that of the typical narcissistic politician, as if being power hungry is ever healthy.

 

From across the Atlantic, I view her as the only electable Democrat, and I am mightily scared of what might happen should a Republican get the Presidency.

I'm not prone to hyperbole but I sincerely believe that a Republican is much more likely to lead the the expansion and explosion of the current WWIII that is ongoing. The expansionist policies of Russia, the Syrian/Iraqi/Afghan/Pakistan situation.

I'm not affected by the domestic economic policies that any candidate will implement so I won't comment on that.

However, on social policies, I believe the democrats are by far the most progressive even if they are not progressive enough.

As for being a career politician, and that being supposedly bad thing, I would rather someone has experience for the job than not. Trump is not a career politician, but he is a career businessman, which takes most of the same qualities. So that supposed perk of his rings hollow to me.

 

Honestly, Bernie Sanders will not win even if he is nominated, so I'm for Hillary. She's the best chance we have at making the US better, tbh.

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That's a little uncalled for as Hillary is the only Democratic candidate who has even a chance of winning.

Sanders identifies as a "democratic Socialist" which spells doom for him in the election. Tis sad but true.

 

^^^this. It IS true that she gets judged harshly for what males have ALWAYS gotten away with. Bengazi sticks to her like shit on your shoe, when it's only 4 people and one bad decision, yet Bush, who ends up killing THOUSANDS in a BS war gets praise for it. Snyder klilled 11 and still people are not making is resign, Seriously? People get upset over her 'emails' yet nothing has been found and several male Senators have voiced they did EXACTLY the SAME thing, yet no one blinks at this. Even though the emails in and of themselves were not at that time considered classified, but only NOW. It's sexism pure and simple, and that is that.

---------- Post added 9th Mar 2016 at 04:00 PM ----------

I honestly think that any Democrat that gets into office is screwed unless we elect new Senate members. Anytime a President gets elected when the Senate is the opposite party, nothing gets done. This President will be lame duck, and although I love Sanders ideas, those won't fly either. They will block him and he won't have the backup of big companies/lobby either. If Trump gets in there, nothing will get done because the Republicans won't unite behind him and they hate him, if he does not get asassinated first and Cruise, that is the one people should be scared of. There is nothing worse than someone who thinks that religion is the way and light in all things. Scary scary man that one. So, the American people best get their shit together on this one is they really want to make an actual change.

 

I can't vote, but regardless, I think she's fake.

 

You underestimate how poorly lots of people view Trump, especially after John Oliver's well-supported evisceration. Anyone with a lick of sense can see that we already have tons of "socialist" policies in place. Every public service you see-- roads, schools, police, fire, the postal service-- all socialist. Sanders has taken the gamble of calling his policies what they are and not trying to deceive the people into thinking corporate welfare and a gargantuan military=freedom. Under him, the existing tax income will go towards places that benefit the people who need it, and not those who use it to puff up their already insane wealth and power. Hillary would continue the status quo of bailing out the rich and telling us it will trickle down. It won't.

If it comes down to Trump vs. Clinton, I'm pretty sure I will either write in someone else or abstain from voting for Pres entirely.

 

My job is in turmoil if she gets in!

 

You've got to be kidding me. Sanders is able to get the independent vote and many Democrats would vote for him given the chance. He's arguably way more electable than Hillary.